dbrussel
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Post by dbrussel on Dec 30, 2019 12:29:09 GMT -5
Sin Cara ..................
Itami / Nakamura / Sami Zayn / Cesaro
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 30, 2019 12:47:05 GMT -5
Big Andy, Tough Enough winner.
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Rave
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Post by Rave on Dec 30, 2019 12:56:22 GMT -5
Sin Cara. All that hype and he just botched his way to living meme-hood. Big Andy, Tough Enough winner. I'm still convinced that they had him and Alicia Fox's little sister in the competition as ringers in case their heavily promoted beauty queen contestant didn't win. I've also been confused by it, as they could've had anyone from FCW at the time as ringers and they picked two of the worst people there for it.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 30, 2019 13:29:22 GMT -5
Big Andy, Tough Enough winner. LOL, "Silent Rage".
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 30, 2019 13:35:41 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio, both times.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 30, 2019 13:39:12 GMT -5
Can we just give it to Vince, at this point? Failure after failure after failure, all directly attributable to him.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Dec 30, 2019 13:40:13 GMT -5
Del Rio or Sheamus. They tried and tried and tried. Two guys who werent main eventers they tried to make into time and again and it failed time and again
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 30, 2019 13:54:38 GMT -5
To me the idea of a bust has to be a high round draft pick that flops and in this case it has to be Roman Reigns. Someone like Mistico would be a 1st round pick an NBA team would get from overseas that doesn't pan out, but you could see that coming a mile away. Realistically speaking how would Kharma be that much of a bust when even as a success it's not like Kong was going to move the needle or draw serious money. She would have messed around with the Bella Twins and won the women's title a couple of times. Whoopee. Same deal with Sin Cara. To Vince he's another flippy dippy Mexican lucha guy that wouldn't get a serious push.
Reigns though? Total bust. Isn't a draw, doesn't move ratings, and if anything the company has tanked in both ratings and attendance since his push started. Reigns is the #1 draft pick that hangs around the NFL for years but goes like 6-10 every year.
On a more abstract level the biggest bust WWE has done is really the whole idea of Brock Lesnar as an absentee champion. We can debate whether the entire Women's Revolution in general is a major bust, but in doing so it would mean crapping on some quality work being done by Becky, Charlotte, Asuka, etc. It's more of a bust in that as much as they want to push women's wrestling it's not a draw and has also coincided with a downturn in ratings and attendance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 14:39:05 GMT -5
I did not even remember Silent Rage existing and that season of TUFF was probably the best ever. - Best part was the Austin roasting people and that "welcome to WWE~!" treatment on RAW, must feel like a real winner.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 30, 2019 14:56:51 GMT -5
Enzo and Cass are another example.
Extremely over, while not being the best workers, sold merch. WWE just never pulled the trigger; moreso with the Hardy return at Mania. Broke the team up, both men went on to do next to nothing before their releases and respective self-destructions (moreso Cass' situation...as that's worse than Enzo seeking attention by trash talking/playing a character 24/7)
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Post by Cyno on Dec 30, 2019 15:04:40 GMT -5
As fellow fin, Ludvig Borga (Tony Halme) could have had a lot more to give WWF Universe. I freakin' love his local boxing promos. he died 8 days in to 2010, he didn't have chance to be one of the big busts of the decade He was also a Nazi so f*** him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 30, 2019 15:53:19 GMT -5
Not Roman himself but the decision to put him in "no win" decisions yes
"Retirement match" vs Taker was a bust Main event vs HHH was a bust His 2nd match vs Brock was a busy and a f***ing squash Being so gung ho that he had to win the Rumble even f***ed over The Rock lol (tho the Mania match against Brock is a underrated gem)
I don't really put those on him. None of those matches did him any favors and it hurt him
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Post by XIII on Dec 30, 2019 15:56:59 GMT -5
Sin Cara. Came in with a ton of hype, skipped developmental, was a botch machine, got popped for wellness, ultimately washed out and if I’m not mistaken is nowhere near his previous levels in Mexico these days.
No one even comes close to this goober.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 16:02:37 GMT -5
Sin Cara. Came in with a ton of hype, skipped developmental, was a botch machine, got popped for wellness, ultimately washed out and if I’m not mistaken is nowhere near his previous levels in Mexico these days. No one even comes close to this goober. Guy sounds like a real prick. Didn't Jericho or somebody also say he refused to learn English?
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chazraps
Wade Wilson
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Post by chazraps on Dec 30, 2019 17:17:23 GMT -5
You really can't include Kharma in these conversations as "bust" indicates so sort of failure on the performer's end. Kharma never failed. Kharma never happened. She has exactly one official on-screen match in her WWE career (her Rumble guest appearance) and that's absolutely it. Yes, she had vignettes, but she never really debuted, had matches or really any sort of angle that got past the introductory phase before the second step. She was in no way a bust. I dont think calling someone a bust implies failure on the performers part. It can be the performers fault like Sin Cara (mostly), the companies fault like Tensai, or bad luck with injuries like KENTA, OK, but there was nothing to Kharma that was a bust. Nothing happened that could be rated as a performance or underperformance.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 30, 2019 17:33:23 GMT -5
I dont think calling someone a bust implies failure on the performers part. It can be the performers fault like Sin Cara (mostly), the companies fault like Tensai, or bad luck with injuries like KENTA, OK, but there was nothing to Kharma that was a bust. Nothing happened that could be rated as a performance or underperformance. She was hyped up with plenty of vignettes. She made several appearances beating up random women, seeming to be building up to something. Then she broke down crying in the ring and was never seen again apart from a royal rumble appearance that led to nothing. We know the reasons why things ended up that way and sympathize, but it is the definition of a bust.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Dec 30, 2019 17:37:55 GMT -5
OK, but there was nothing to Kharma that was a bust. Nothing happened that could be rated as a performance or underperformance. She was hyped up with plenty of vignettes. She made several appearances beating up random women, seeming to be building up to something. Then she broke down crying in the ring and was never seen again apart from a royal rumble appearance that led to nothing. We know the reasons why things ended up that way and sympathize, but it is the definition of a bust. Not at all. She had the promo about being pregnant and it was over. Everything she did was over. The resources got their desired effect. Not a bust, especially compared to the diminishing returns of the names in this thread.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 30, 2019 17:56:19 GMT -5
EC3 got fired, got way better, came back with significant hype and looked like he was going to get a solid push right out of the gate.
Poor guy.
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Post by XIII on Dec 30, 2019 17:58:47 GMT -5
Big Andy, Tough Enough winner. LOL, "Silent Rage". Check the door, I don’t know who those guys are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 18:02:21 GMT -5
Everybody were so genuinely excited about the "Silent Rage" gimmick in the show, if I remember right. e: I suggest everybody to take a look at the where the participants are, especially Season 5: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Tough_Enough / I should rewatch Season 6 as there's also lots of performers who are actually in the show nowadays.
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