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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 24, 2020 10:48:31 GMT -5
You really can’t have a conversation about these things without people getting defensive. No one blamed AEW for anything. Just stating facts about the testing they use.
The story here isn’t about the poor wrestling company getting attacked. It’s about human beings getting sick.
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Post by markymark on Sept 24, 2020 10:58:32 GMT -5
He is right.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 24, 2020 10:58:42 GMT -5
No one is “blaming” inaccurate testing on AEW. Not sure how my post is any way trolling. The fact is that the tests are to a certain degree inaccurate which means it’s entirely possible a wrestler had it and spread it at the tapings. Having so few have it the prior 6 months and now a bunch of wrestlers have it all at once makes me think the most likely scenario is that it was spread unknowingly at the last set of tapings. And not the fact that all these indies opened? Again, indies opening up and accurate AEW testing is how this "spread". Saying that it's a bad test is just speculation, and because of a sample size of 7 months, I would say your hypothesis is not based in reality. It spread because all these guys are working indies with no testing, and they're all working the same indies. Then they got AEW home tests, before coming in, and found out they had it. So the AEW home testing helped stop them spreading it further. To turn around and say "well tests dont always work and it spread at the tapings", with 7 months of that NOT happening, is just really insulting to people who are trying to contain versus indies who are expecting the wrestlers to do their own thing. Hey maybe everyone happened to individually get it in the last two weeks at their Indy shows (did non-Indy guys get it, I thought yes?). You seem to have concluded that’s 100% the reason. My opinion is that it is much more likely it spread at the last tapings due to testing not being entirely accurate and the fact that so many people seem to have got it.
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Post by toodarkmark on Sept 24, 2020 11:00:58 GMT -5
You really can’t have a conversation about these things without people getting defensive. No one blamed AEW for anything. Just stating facts about the testing they use. The story here isn’t about the poor wrestling company getting attacked. It’s about human beings getting sick. This isn't about poor wrestling company, this is about speculation versus reality, and science should matter for something. The tests are a positive, wrestlers working indies getting tests is a good thing, saying "tests dont work all the time so it spread at tapings" is just an awful take. If you cared about the workers, then you should acknowledge something worked for 7 months, then a confounding variable was introduced (opening of indies), and now there is a spread.
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 24, 2020 11:02:59 GMT -5
It seems to me that AEW are genuinely doing everything they can to reduce the risks as much as possible. However, it's pretty impossible to reduce the risk to 0%, short of shutting down completely. I wish they'd go back to taping in blocks, although that would be difficult if they keep fans in attendance.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 24, 2020 11:05:32 GMT -5
You really can’t have a conversation about these things without people getting defensive. No one blamed AEW for anything. Just stating facts about the testing they use. The story here isn’t about the poor wrestling company getting attacked. It’s about human beings getting sick. This isn't about poor wrestling company, this is about speculation versus reality, and science should matter for something. The tests are a positive, wrestlers working indies getting tests is a good thing, saying "tests dont work all the time so it spread at tapings" is just an awful take. If you cared about the workers, then you should acknowledge something worked for 7 months, then a confounding variable was introduced (opening of indies), and now there is a spread. [ I didn’t say it definitely spread at the tapings, I said that is my guess as to what likely occurred. The same way you speculated that everyone got it because of indie shows. It’s all speculation at this point. It’s also science that the tests can give false negatives, they’re not 100% accurate.
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Post by toodarkmark on Sept 24, 2020 11:11:46 GMT -5
This isn't about poor wrestling company, this is about speculation versus reality, and science should matter for something. The tests are a positive, wrestlers working indies getting tests is a good thing, saying "tests dont work all the time so it spread at tapings" is just an awful take. If you cared about the workers, then you should acknowledge something worked for 7 months, then a confounding variable was introduced (opening of indies), and now there is a spread. [ I didn’t say it definitely spread at the tapings, I said that is my guess as to what likely occurred. The same way you speculated that everyone got it because of indie shows. It’s all speculation at this point. Ok. I go for 7 months straight to Shoprite to buy apples, and the apples are fine. So then after 7 months, I go to Key Food to buy apples, and mix them in with my apples from Shoprite. Suddenly my apples are rotten, I'm going to say "Oh man Shoprite must have gotten rotten apples." That is just not logical. I know how people need to say this and that about AEW, but logic and reason should be a part of speculation about science.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 24, 2020 11:16:34 GMT -5
We don't know what the spreading event was without any contact tracing results. I don't think it's something that will be made public, but I hope for the wrestlers' sake that AEW is doing everything they can to nail down the origin of their outbreak.
And if I was Scorpio Sky, I'd be self-quarantining just in case Ben Carter got a false negative.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 24, 2020 11:19:46 GMT -5
[ I didn’t say it definitely spread at the tapings, I said that is my guess as to what likely occurred. The same way you speculated that everyone got it because of indie shows. It’s all speculation at this point. Ok. I go for 7 months straight to Shoprite to buy apples, and the apples are fine. So then after 7 months, I go to Key Food to buy apples, and mix them in with my apples from Shoprite. Suddenly my apples are rotten, I'm going to say "Oh man Shoprite must have gotten rotten apples." That is just not logical. I know how people need to say this and that about AEW, but logic and reason should be a part of speculation about science. No one is attacking AEW, so it has nothing to with people needing to say “this and that” about AEW. And the apples comparison is not really apt as the store can control whether they put out rotten apples or not. AEW can’t control the fact that the tests are not always accurate.
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Post by toodarkmark on Sept 24, 2020 11:34:06 GMT -5
Ok. I go for 7 months straight to Shoprite to buy apples, and the apples are fine. So then after 7 months, I go to Key Food to buy apples, and mix them in with my apples from Shoprite. Suddenly my apples are rotten, I'm going to say "Oh man Shoprite must have gotten rotten apples." That is just not logical. I know how people need to say this and that about AEW, but logic and reason should be a part of speculation about science. No one is attacking AEW, so it has nothing to with people needing to say “this and that” about AEW. And the apples comparison is not really apt as the store can control whether they put out rotten apples or not. AEW can’t control the fact that the tests are not always accurate. I see that making the inaccurate testing point is more important then admitting that working indie shows with no testing is the way this spread. Thats fine, but discounting testing and not talking about the dangers of indie shows with no testing, is exactly how this disease spread.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 24, 2020 12:02:33 GMT -5
No one is attacking AEW, so it has nothing to with people needing to say “this and that” about AEW. And the apples comparison is not really apt as the store can control whether they put out rotten apples or not. AEW can’t control the fact that the tests are not always accurate. I see that making the inaccurate testing point is more important then admitting that working indie shows with no testing is the way this spread. Thats fine, but discounting testing and not talking about the dangers of indie shows with no testing, is exactly how this disease spread. *throws hands up* I’m out
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 24, 2020 13:04:33 GMT -5
AEW adding the second layer of testing is smart, but these tests aren't accurate. My dad died in May, he was in a nursing home in NYC, when he left the nursing home everybody said it was COVID, the ER said it was COVID, they tested him and it was negative but he died a few hours later, they called it bacterial pneumonia. Still have a hard time believing that it wasn't COVID given the other factors present.
The reality is that if they're going to keep going, AEW shouldn't let folks work indie dates anymore. I know that's a bummer for them, but they're putting everybody at risk. And even still, there may still be false negatives/positives.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 24, 2020 13:40:34 GMT -5
Reality is, this isn't going away anytime soon. People will get sick and spread it unless the country as a whole decided to quarantine the whole populous and supported them for however long it would take to wait it out. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be a priority at the moment and there are a lot of people who don't like the government telling them what to do. We knew that once the individual states began to lax their restrictions, that this would happen.
AEW has been one of the more open and transparent companies about COVID and seem to have a good system in place to keep their people as safe as possible in their current operating state. Despite that, stuff like this has happened regardless. I don't feel like you can throw too much blame at anyone directly involved, wrestlers or the company. At this point, this should be a wake up call to go back to bi-weekly if they haven't already and to be extra cautious with who they bring in is all.
I don't feel like this is a case like WWE having substandard, or nonexistent, testing. As far as anyone who has worked there have described, they've done an admirable job. I'm not trying to be a fanboy and defend this company, if I had heard their testing was similar to WWE's I'd be as harsh to them as I have been about the Matt Hardy situation. I'm also not trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation, it is obviously nothing to take lightly. All I am trying to convey though is that it doesn't feel right to throw blame around when it is obvious the truly blame lies in the intangibles and those in areas we can't really discuss here. Again, this is a learning experience that I expect AEW will learn from and reinforce. They've done it before and history tells us they'll do it again.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 24, 2020 13:48:11 GMT -5
Read on The Observer boards that Cage had tweeted that he was feeling sick and then deleted it. His wife was also absent from her Impact duties.
He’s still booked for an Indy date on Saturday so we’ll see if he works that or gets pulled.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 14:33:58 GMT -5
It's definitely time to put an end to the indie talent stuff for awhile. It's just way too risky.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 24, 2020 17:07:49 GMT -5
Whenever Ben Carter feels better and is cleared, I'd still want that dude to be signed if he isn't already, he is really good
But I agree on the Indie Talent thing, book the people you know, or, the Indie Talent needs to play it much smarter than they are taking more bookings. AEW really is doing all they can but if some people booked for DARK are going through some rinky dink Indies and not having the same prociedures, it might be best for DARK to go back to a format where you have more regulars and enhancement talent kind of already in the system working the shows and not have new people especially coming in.
It wasn't a risk when everything was shut down and AEW, Impact and WWE were like the only shows running, but with all the Indies trying to run again, with capacity? It's becoming a different story.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 24, 2020 17:50:01 GMT -5
Going keep repeating the same shit I been saying forever
If you think you doing enough, you are not and that goes for both companies. AEW themselves will keep pushing the envelope even with them doing everything possible, at some point you have to think about this shit
Bringing in the fans is still a bad move but whatever, the indy talent as well is also questionable. Shit should really be to necessities and nothing more
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Post by markymark on Sept 24, 2020 18:11:55 GMT -5
Hope she didnt get it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 24, 2020 18:16:36 GMT -5
Hope she didnt get it. If it was earlier this week it was well after the DARK taping, so sounds like an unfortunate case of just being around someone like Archer and QT. Hopefully she doesn't test positive.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 24, 2020 18:33:26 GMT -5
Hoping the best for Serena.
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