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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 14, 2020 19:25:32 GMT -5
However many years later and I don't get Jerry Krause's game plan to tell everyone the 5x championship coach wasn't coming back during the damn season. To let everyone knows he calls the shots
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 15, 2020 3:34:13 GMT -5
However many years later and I don't get Jerry Krause's game plan to tell everyone the 5x championship coach wasn't coming back during the damn season. To let everyone knows he calls the shots It's just such amazing hubris, why not just go around reminding people you're the guy that hired all these people? Rather than let not just an amazing coach go, but also 3 star players. What is the absolute best case scenario there? Especially when you've been public about the fact that THAT is all specifically down to you.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 15, 2020 5:19:52 GMT -5
To let everyone knows he calls the shots It's just such amazing hubris, why not just go around reminding people you're the guy that hired all these people? Rather than let not just an amazing coach go, but also 3 star players. What is the absolute best case scenario there? Especially when you've been public about the fact that THAT is all specifically down to you. Because that's how high his hubris was. He didn't want some credit, he wanted all the credit. I brought in Phil, I build this team so I should get all the credit Things like Phil wanting to get paid his due as a 5x champ or Scottie wanting to get a fair deal was a slap in the face to him. He wanted to break up the team because they were getting old while they were still championship contenders. For Krause it was thank you, f*** you, bye. His ego didn't allow himself to take the step back and be credited as the architect of this team and a dynasty.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 15, 2020 10:46:33 GMT -5
That's the sad case of Jerry Krause. The guy actually did get in the Hall of Fame as a GM in 2017 and he does deserve to be there given that he put the pieces in place around Jordan that led to 6 championships. It really is the case where a guy let a series of decisions made over a 1 year period define his reputation for decades. I do think The Last Dance should discuss more of Krause's solid moves and give him the credit he deserves to go along with the blame he deserves for the 1998 aftermath.
I may have said this earlier in this thread but it bears repeating: If you are willing to kick Phil Jackson to the curb and then alienate Michael Jordan, why would any big name free agent remotely sign with you? I can't recall the Bulls signing any particularly great free agents from 1999-2003 or so. The Bulls finally got back in the playoffs in 2005 at 47-35, but Paxson was the GM by then.
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Post by Mecca on May 15, 2020 10:51:07 GMT -5
That's the sad case of Jerry Krause. The guy actually did get in the Hall of Fame as a GM in 2017 and he does deserve to be there given that he put the pieces in place around Jordan that led to 6 championships. It really is the case where a guy let a series of decisions made over a 1 year period define his reputation for decades. I do think The Last Dance should discuss more of Krause's solid moves and give him the credit he deserves to go along with the blame he deserves for the 1998 aftermath. I may have said this earlier in this thread but it bears repeating: If you are willing to kick Phil Jackson to the curb and then alienate Michael Jordan, why would any big name free agent remotely sign with you? I can't recall the Bulls signing any particularly great free agents from 1999-2003 or so. The Bulls finally got back in the playoffs in 2005 at 47-35, but Paxson was the GM by then. That isn't going to happen, Jerry Krause is the villain of the last dance. Like most people he had good and bad, but they aren't going to talk about how he assembled 2 different teams that 3 peated. The guy ultimately let his ego get in the way of keeping a championship team together because he felt he was overlooked. I'll be the first to say even in the Last Dance the pettiness that both sides show is off the charts, from Krause taking shots that organizations win titles to Jordan basically bullying his boss, it swings both ways.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 15, 2020 14:45:15 GMT -5
See, the Jordan bits with Krause struck me as some silly ball busting type stuff. Now hearing about Pippen flat out yelling and cussing Krause out on the bus? That was way, way beyond the pale and if I'd been Krause I probably would have traded his ass to the Clippers or someone the next day. The only reason not to is that Pippen's contract was up and he wasn't remotely going to re-sign, so just take some abuse for one last season and be rid of him. But really doesn't Pippen's contract fall back on Jerry Reinsdorf for not simply renegotiating at some point a couple of years earlier?
The Bulls really were an old team in 1998. They had gotten what they were going to get out of Rodman and Pippen was out the door and demanding a trade anyway at various points that last season. I can see the logic in trying to keep it going one more year during the shortened 1999 season with 50 games, though I don't know what the Bulls would have done with the Spurs in the Finals with Duncan and Robinson.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 15, 2020 14:54:01 GMT -5
That's the sad case of Jerry Krause. The guy actually did get in the Hall of Fame as a GM in 2017 and he does deserve to be there given that he put the pieces in place around Jordan that led to 6 championships. It really is the case where a guy let a series of decisions made over a 1 year period define his reputation for decades. I do think The Last Dance should discuss more of Krause's solid moves and give him the credit he deserves to go along with the blame he deserves for the 1998 aftermath. I may have said this earlier in this thread but it bears repeating: If you are willing to kick Phil Jackson to the curb and then alienate Michael Jordan, why would any big name free agent remotely sign with you? I can't recall the Bulls signing any particularly great free agents from 1999-2003 or so. The Bulls finally got back in the playoffs in 2005 at 47-35, but Paxson was the GM by then. He does get credit tho but this 98 gamble defines him because the team did not do anything after he touted so hard for a younger squad. He had miserable season, got Elton Brand which should have been a building block and then traded him so he can draft Curry and Chandler Krause for how petty he was has sadly defined his fate. He so badly wanted all the credit for his past decisions that the current and future decisions after showed he wasn't as smart as he thought he was.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 20:01:50 GMT -5
The Series.
Finally.
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Post by MrElijah on May 17, 2020 20:07:22 GMT -5
I honestly dislike the pinstripes Pacer jerseys. Should've never changed from the racer jerseys.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 20:08:10 GMT -5
Downtown Indianapolis hasn't changed that drastically near MSA besides them building an apartment building & Cummins HQ on the site.
Fun fact; that's my bank.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 20:08:29 GMT -5
I honestly dislike the pinstripes Pacer jerseys. Should've never changed from the racer jerseys. You mean "the Flo-Jos".
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Post by MrElijah on May 17, 2020 20:11:11 GMT -5
Also, props to Bird. He coached the Pacers to 3 straight Conference Finals, 1 NBA Finals, nearly beat the Bulls and two away from beating the Lakers.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 20:11:38 GMT -5
Lightly, my ass!
He still nailed the three, though.
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Post by Perd on May 17, 2020 20:13:06 GMT -5
Yeah, this certainly won’t make anyone miss the NBA playoffs at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 20:13:30 GMT -5
Had the Bulls lost the series, that shot would have been known as "the Miss".
But Indiana just couldn't win at United.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 17, 2020 20:14:20 GMT -5
Stockton and his little-ass shorts
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 20:15:11 GMT -5
Also, props to Bird. He coached the Pacers to 3 straight Conference Finals, 1 NBA Finals, nearly beat the Bulls and two away from beating the Lakers. And then we hired Isiah Thomas...
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 17, 2020 20:16:34 GMT -5
Bryon, no, why...?
Just STFU
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Post by MrElijah on May 17, 2020 20:20:00 GMT -5
Yeah, this certainly won’t make anyone miss the NBA playoffs at all. The 1990s had some amazing playoff series. Bulls vs. Knicks, Heat vs. Knicks, Pacers vs. Knicks/Bulls/Magic, Cavs vs. Celtics aka Bird's Last Dance, The Nuggets 1994 Run, Suns vs. Sonics, Rockets vs. Suns in '94 & '95.
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Post by MrElijah on May 17, 2020 20:45:12 GMT -5
Bryon, no, why...? Just STFU Every team has that one. No matter skill level, there's always that one that thinks they'll stop the best opposing player.
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