lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on May 17, 2020 21:45:00 GMT -5
DJ Hyde us such a detriment to that company. Once Zandig sold it to him things started to slowly go down hill. And now GCW is poised to get the market CZW once had Get? They already have it. Every CZW fan moved onto GCW years ago. It’s a shame, as someone who lives in the area they run itd be nice to have two viable options competing with each other. Matt Tremont's H20 is a good alternative.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 17, 2020 22:08:01 GMT -5
Consent is the key word here. They consented to having their images used within the context of professional wrestling. They did not consent to having their work edited to look like pornography. This is the same reason deepfake porn is illegal.
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Post by Larryhausen on May 18, 2020 0:19:36 GMT -5
The outrage over matches people would JO to on free porn sites now turning up on pay porn sites. So you're completely missing the point still. This isn't about jacking off to matches. Let's try this again. The matches on those free porn sites are really no different than someone uploading matches to YouTube except they happen to be on the same platform as nude videos. Nobody reasonably thinks the women involved uploaded those matches themselves, Nobody would know they were there as there's no budget in promoting them as nobody's making profit off of it. The reason there's justifiable outrage is because it's not just "matches" on "pay porn sites," we're talking cable/satellite on-demand and streaming pay-per-view. There's an advertising budget behind promoting these re-edited compilations and they're being repacked as insinuating that the motivation behind their work is to actively participate in the production of pornography. By using the faces and names of the people involved, it's implying that they're doing/have done porn. Their names and faces are being promoted in the same manner and same circles as the predominant names/faces in the adult industry. Do you understand? THIS! My apologies if this breaks rules, but there are celebrity leaks that I can go look up on certain sites if I wanted. There are women's matches that I could also look up wherever, or pay for through whichever site this footage was sold to. The point is if these people did not want this footage to be used in this fashion, Then it should not have been used for this purpose!!!! Any wrestler who chooses to supplement their income by shooting videos: more power to you. A wrestler who's footage is being sold by shady promoters to shady promoters after the fact, with profits not going to the performer in question? Yeah, go f*** yourself. That is the same thing as uploading hacked videos from someone's phone.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 18, 2020 2:13:58 GMT -5
That's not the point of this at all. The issues isn't dudes are jacking off to her matches. That's never been the issue. That's never been an issue. The issue is that her face and likeness is being attached without her consent to pornography and promoted by a company with access to anyone with a cable provider. What about this aren't you getting? The outrage over matches people would JO to on free porn sites now turning up on pay porn sites. I don't think you got the concept of what's going on here at all. These aren't apartment wrestling-style fap material matches and shows that are being advertised and sold this way. It's regular wrestling matches from regular shows featuring women, and the footage owners are marketing them as porn instead. So now, workers who have never done "erotic" type stuff are being marketed and advertised as porn stars. And frankly, anyone who wanks to CZW matches of any sort needs help.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 18, 2020 9:06:41 GMT -5
The outrage over matches people would JO to on free porn sites now turning up on pay porn sites. I don't think you got the concept of what's going on here at all. These aren't apartment wrestling-style fap material matches and shows that are being advertised and sold this way. It's regular wrestling matches from regular shows featuring women, and the footage owners are marketing them as porn instead. So now, workers who have never done "erotic" type stuff are being marketed and advertised as porn stars. And frankly, anyone who wanks to CZW matches of any sort needs help. Yeah I think anyone who wanks to any kind of wrestling match needs help.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 18, 2020 12:07:44 GMT -5
Here is one thing I will say having dealt with DJ (and again all my dealings have been very positive and he actually helped raise a lot of money to help my girlfriend with her medical bills), when he does any business with anybody he has a paper trail that is notarized by lawyers. I would not put it past that he had things written into the sales of WSU and CZW that said he could sell distribution rights to any match and get a percentage of any sale. Scummy ti sell rights to a fetish sight if he did it, but again Deej is all about making money.
And again while there have been more downs than ups recently Deej has been able to make money off of different avenues.
And again I thought the Lufisto anger was more for a tweet that was actually very tasteless and degrading that DJ does not run and immediately made changes after that tweet came out.
But to be clear not defending anybody for the situation as if everything is true it is scummy.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 18, 2020 15:04:24 GMT -5
The outrage over matches people would JO to on free porn sites now turning up on pay porn sites. I don't think you got the concept of what's going on here at all. These aren't apartment wrestling-style fap material matches and shows that are being advertised and sold this way. It's regular wrestling matches from regular shows featuring women, and the footage owners are marketing them as porn instead. So now, workers who have never done "erotic" type stuff are being marketed and advertised as porn stars. And frankly, anyone who wanks to CZW matches of any sort needs help. Hey man John Zandig's jiggly boobies can put Angela White's to shame...
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on May 18, 2020 16:59:53 GMT -5
I don't think you got the concept of what's going on here at all. These aren't apartment wrestling-style fap material matches and shows that are being advertised and sold this way. It's regular wrestling matches from regular shows featuring women, and the footage owners are marketing them as porn instead. So now, workers who have never done "erotic" type stuff are being marketed and advertised as porn stars. And frankly, anyone who wanks to CZW matches of any sort needs help. Hey man John Zandig's jiggly boobies can put Angela White's to shame...
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 18, 2020 21:56:45 GMT -5
LuFisto isn't the only one calling them out about this. On Twitter, Jordynne Grace, Kimber Lee, even Joey Janella are all bringing up the gross stuff this company is doing and have done in the past in regards to women wrestlers. I'm not linking to the tweets due to f-bombs flying around, but they're not hard to find, and this is some disgusting stuff.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 18, 2020 21:59:37 GMT -5
LuFisto isn't the only one calling them out about this. On Twitter, Jordynne Grace, Kimber Lee, even Joey Janella are all bringing up the gross stuff this company is doing and have done in the past in regards to women wrestlers. I'm not linking to the tweets due to f-bombs flying around, but they're not hard to find, and this is some disgusting stuff. Also, Tony Deppen and WARHORSE have been adding in stories about being taken off of cards but not being told, so they would drive several hours to find their payday isn't there. Not quite on the level of the scumminess as the stuff Tera Calaway has been accusing them of, but still, this company really needs to go.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 18, 2020 23:25:04 GMT -5
This is CZW’s response and they did their absolute damnest to dig down instead of up.
Also, Grace is saying a bunch of the women are talking to lawyers which, if that goes any further, could mean things get pretty bad for them pretty quickly.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 23:31:25 GMT -5
This is CZW’s response and they did their absolute damnest to dig down instead of up. Also, Grace is saying a bunch of the women are talking to lawyers which, if that goes any further, could mean things get pretty bad for them pretty quickly. Joey Janela with the burn.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 18, 2020 23:45:41 GMT -5
It's amazing that they aren't simply telling Stonecutter Media to change the marketing of the content. It's already been said that Shimmer had the same offer, declined due to Stonecutter's history of porn-ish sounding PPV titles, and they offered to market the shows as just plain pro wrestling without that slant on it. The company would probably change the names of the shows if DJ Hyde asked. It just seems like he's not willing to ask. If nothing else, I would be forwarding them links to the Tweets of the performers talking about legal action, and basically telling them that they have the chance of avoiding lawsuits now if they stop using porn-bait names for their compilations.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 19, 2020 0:56:36 GMT -5
That statement is so frustrating. You can easily go the route of "we didn't anticipate this happening and we legally can't stop them from doing this but we'll do our best to ensure this doesn't happen again" but instead they're just like, we took the money, sucks to suck. They had an opportunity to apologise and basically told these women to f*** off.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 19, 2020 1:50:10 GMT -5
This is CZW’s response and they did their absolute damnest to dig down instead of up. Also, Grace is saying a bunch of the women are talking to lawyers which, if that goes any further, could mean things get pretty bad for them pretty quickly. This is a really awful excuse because even taken at its word--which we really don't have much reason to do here when it feels pretty obvious this is a no-scruples exploitation of everyone--it says that they are maddeningly idiotic at doing business. You don't f***ing license out complete free reign use of your footage. "Without limitation" leaves you open and vulnerable to just about anything with little legal recourse to do something about it; the only hope of stopping this lies in the women not having signed contracts completely committing to their likenesses being handed over 'without limitation'. Nobody in their right mind hands over their footage without putting some sort of limitation on its use or portrayal unless they're a completely boneheaded idiot, or more likely, are sleazy as shit, looking for every dime they can, an don't care about any possible damages. For comparison's sake here, Shutterstock has terms of use that limit what you can do with images in their library. A stock image website that exists solely to license out media to anyone who wants to pay for the rights to use it, a content farm there for the taking, has limitations on what the content can be used for. This includes political campaigns, advertisement of things like tobacco, promoting illegal activity, changing the context of the image in a way that could be defamatory to the people involved, and wouldn't you know it, "pornography, "adult videos", adult entertainment venues, escort services, dating services, or the like". DJ Hyde is a sleazy weirdo who intentionally sold out the people who worked for his company to turn some shameless porn dollars on their likenesses at the expense of their dignity and reputations.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 19, 2020 5:29:20 GMT -5
Since there's no F bombs here, I guess I can embed this.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 19, 2020 12:27:22 GMT -5
Yeah, this is blowing up on Twitter now. A lot of stories coming out, a lot of attention being drawn to it.
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Post by Big BosskMan on May 19, 2020 15:29:54 GMT -5
I went to the same school as DJ Hyde and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he didn't read any contracts.
We're talking about the same guy whose entire senior class staged a walkout, then said to the local TV crew "All the scouts are going to ask 'Where's Dave Markland?'"
What a dolt.
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Post by mrtuesday on May 19, 2020 17:13:58 GMT -5
What's the new info contributing to him being a creep, though? A lot of people in wrestling whine about the state of it. They deleted the tweets but Addy Starr and Kat shown DMs from Elgin making unwanted advances on them repeatedly Isn't he married to MsChif? Like, no offense to Addy and Allie, but why would you sleep around on MsChif?
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Post by Peeetah on May 19, 2020 17:20:57 GMT -5
They deleted the tweets but Addy Starr and Kat shown DMs from Elgin making unwanted advances on them repeatedly Isn't he married to MsChif? Like, no offense to Addy and Allie, but why would you sleep around on MsChif? The attractiveness of a persons partner has no bearing on their likeliness to f*** around in my experience.
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