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Post by cjh on May 15, 2020 16:46:58 GMT -5
LuFisto posted this message about CZW and WSU licensing footage of women's matches to a third party, who are promoting the matches as softcore adult content.
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Post by warden on May 15, 2020 18:16:27 GMT -5
I am surprised czw is still a thing. Should have closed shop years ago
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 15, 2020 18:31:06 GMT -5
Well duh who else is willing to buy empty arena matches?
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Post by chazraps on May 15, 2020 22:24:05 GMT -5
I really feel for her. It's absolutely disgusting what's happening without the performers' consent.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 16, 2020 1:09:38 GMT -5
I have nothing against performers who do "apartment wrestling" videos. Quite a few, male and female, have done it and gone on to have successful careers, but to do it without knowledge that it was what you were signing on for... that sucks, and LuFisto is right to call them out for doing this to the wrestlers.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 16, 2020 8:20:00 GMT -5
I am surprised czw is still a thing. Should have closed shop years ago DJ Hyde us such a detriment to that company. Once Zandig sold it to him things started to slowly go down hill. And now GCW is poised to get the market CZW once had |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 11:42:59 GMT -5
I have nothing against performers who do "apartment wrestling" videos. Quite a few, male and female, have done it and gone on to have successful careers, but to do it without knowledge that it was what you were signing on for... that sucks, and LuFisto is right to call them out for doing this to the wrestlers. Is it current matches or older matches in their video library that their licensing out to these companies? Because unfortunately CZW/WSU can do whatever they want with the matches since they own the right to them not the wrestlers. |
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Post by chazraps on May 16, 2020 15:16:38 GMT -5
I have nothing against performers who do "apartment wrestling" videos. Quite a few, male and female, have done it and gone on to have successful careers, but to do it without knowledge that it was what you were signing on for... that sucks, and LuFisto is right to call them out for doing this to the wrestlers. Is it current matches or older matches in their video library that their licensing out to these companies? Because unfortunately CZW/WSU can do whatever they want with the matches since they own the right to them not the wrestlers. It's older matches, but it's super wrong and gross if you look up how they're being packaged specifically for on-demand pornography channels. The names are all stuff like "Top Heavy and Tough" and re-edited to be marketed as softcore porn. Even with the at-times looser-than-most morals of the wrestling industry, this is a disgusting consent violation and it's just ghastly they're doing it. |
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 16, 2020 16:47:58 GMT -5
I’m a CZW fan and still enjoy the product they put out. I usually defend them but I can’t defend this. I find it quite disgusting they are marketing these women like this.
At best DJ signed a contract with a distribution company without reading and understanding the specifics. At worst he knew and is exploiting former talent.
I feel DJ needs to address this as I find it very disturbing. I want to support CZW as I like the product. Not sure I can anymore if they are doing this.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 16, 2020 21:26:48 GMT -5
I’m a CZW fan and still enjoy the product they put out. I usually defend them but I can’t defend this. I find it quite disgusting they are marketing these women like this. At best DJ signed a contract with a distribution company without reading and understanding the specifics. At worst he knew and is exploiting former talent. I feel DJ needs to address this as I find it very disturbing. I want to support CZW as I like the product. Not sure I can anymore if they are doing this. DJ is pretty lucky that there is a pandemic going on. Stuff like this can kill companies, not just wrestling companies either. I’m a CZW fan, but this indefensible. DJ Hyde is a polarizing figure as it is. Hopefully LuFisto’s video makes some impact. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 17, 2020 3:13:39 GMT -5
I’m a CZW fan and still enjoy the product they put out. I usually defend them but I can’t defend this. I find it quite disgusting they are marketing these women like this. At best DJ signed a contract with a distribution company without reading and understanding the specifics. At worst he knew and is exploiting former talent. I feel DJ needs to address this as I find it very disturbing. I want to support CZW as I like the product. Not sure I can anymore if they are doing this. DJ is pretty lucky that there is a pandemic going on. Stuff like this can kill companies, not just wrestling companies either. I’m a CZW fan, but this indefensible. DJ Hyde is a polarizing figure as it is. Hopefully LuFisto’s video makes some impact. Wasn't this already happening prior to the pandemic? I remember them marketing one of these shows as "Double D Destruction," and even having a laugh at none of the performers billed on the compilation actually having Double Ds. But I guess it makes sense with wrestling companies relying on the back catalogs now more than ever that this practice would end up becoming a bit more noticed and scrutinized. |
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Post by Andy Martin on May 17, 2020 3:35:53 GMT -5
I am surprised czw is still a thing. Should have closed shop years ago I'll admit I thought they DID close up shop years ago. |
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on May 17, 2020 3:48:13 GMT -5
If these are old, regular women's wrestling matches that weren't shot to be sexy/adult. Who are the people paying for them on that site?
Couldn't you just watch regular women's wrestling for free
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 17, 2020 6:38:38 GMT -5
DJ is pretty lucky that there is a pandemic going on. Stuff like this can kill companies, not just wrestling companies either. I’m a CZW fan, but this indefensible. DJ Hyde is a polarizing figure as it is. Hopefully LuFisto’s video makes some impact. Wasn't this already happening prior to the pandemic? I remember them marketing one of these shows as "Double D Destruction," and even having a laugh at none of the performers billed on the compilation actually having Double Ds. But I guess it makes sense with wrestling companies relying on the back catalogs now more than ever that this practice would end up becoming a bit more noticed and scrutinized. No idea when it started. For the sake of my comment it matters when it starts getting attention. All kinds of shady crap goes on in wrestling that never gets a light shined on it or if it does it just gets ignored. Prior to the pandemic a lot of sexism and sexual inappropriate happenings were getting exposed after being covered up or ignored for years. This has slowed down considerably since so much of the world is on pause now. |
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Post by lucas_lee on May 17, 2020 7:48:43 GMT -5
Wasn't this already happening prior to the pandemic? I remember them marketing one of these shows as "Double D Destruction," and even having a laugh at none of the performers billed on the compilation actually having Double Ds. But I guess it makes sense with wrestling companies relying on the back catalogs now more than ever that this practice would end up becoming a bit more noticed and scrutinized. No idea when it started. For the sake of my comment it matters when it starts getting attention. All kinds of shady crap goes on in wrestling that never gets a light shined on it or if it does it just gets ignored. Prior to the pandemic a lot of sexism and sexual inappropriate happenings were getting exposed after being covered up or ignored for years. This has slowed down considerably since so much of the world is on pause now. Its okay the gift that keeps on giving (Mike Elgin) got exposed for being a creep again by Allie Kat and Addy Starr. His response was basically saying he was in character for those dms |
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 17, 2020 8:44:29 GMT -5
I have nothing against performers who do "apartment wrestling" videos. Quite a few, male and female, have done it and gone on to have successful careers, but to do it without knowledge that it was what you were signing on for... that sucks, and LuFisto is right to call them out for doing this to the wrestlers. Especially in LuFisto's case, as as far as I know, even the content she's filmed for online companies like Lexie Fyfe's (let alone public matches she's done for CZW) is basically what you're seeing on WWE at the moment and would be considered the tamest level of "apartment wrestling" content. It's obviously catering to the women's wrestling fetish but she's just having matches in her regular gear, same as what you'd see her do at a live show. Again, not knocking anyone who does any level of "apartment-style" videos but LuFisto doesn't even seem to have signed up for that to begin with and is now dealing with this. She's also 100% right to call out the creeper fans as well. |
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on May 17, 2020 9:29:49 GMT -5
No idea when it started. For the sake of my comment it matters when it starts getting attention. All kinds of shady crap goes on in wrestling that never gets a light shined on it or if it does it just gets ignored. Prior to the pandemic a lot of sexism and sexual inappropriate happenings were getting exposed after being covered up or ignored for years. This has slowed down considerably since so much of the world is on pause now. Its okay the gift that keeps on giving (Mike Elgin) got exposed for being a creep again by Allie Kat and Addy Starr. His response was basically saying he was in character for those dms What did Elgin do now? |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 17, 2020 9:30:40 GMT -5
Its okay the gift that keeps on giving (Mike Elgin) got exposed for being a creep again by Allie Kat and Addy Starr. His response was basically saying he was in character for those dms What did Elgin do now? In summary; whine a lot about the state of wrestling. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 17, 2020 11:16:12 GMT -5
I am surprised czw is still a thing. Should have closed shop years ago DJ Hyde us such a detriment to that company. Once Zandig sold it to him things started to slowly go down hill. And now GCW is poised to get the market CZW once had Eh... yes and no. At the end of the day DJ is about making money and for better or for worst he has been able to do a lot of things that make money with CZW. That being said DJ has been known to cut people off if he feels they are messing with money (which in some ways I get as his house was used as collateral in getting the funds to buy CZW) but it causes him to make rash decisions. As for this, must be a different issue than I knew about. A couple weeks ago Lufisto got mad due to a tweet from the CZW twitter which pretty much degraded women's wrestling, but i know after that someone new got placed in charge of the CZW social media. Either way a bad look, I dont dislike DJ like some do, but I dont agree with his decision here |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 17, 2020 11:20:32 GMT -5
I just want to make sure I understand. DJ sold perfectly normal women’s wrestling matches to a third party who recontextualized them as something sexual for a prurient audience?
Unless something was done to the matches themselves to make them more salacious, I’m not sure I see what the big deal is.
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