the2ndevil
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Post by the2ndevil on Jun 6, 2020 12:10:08 GMT -5
It gets worse, the entrance would’ve been them dancing. Vince apparently pitched them and was dancing himself doing the moonwalk...that shit would’ve been a career killing gimmick. I don’t think so. Imo, the Revial came across as too serious and not very personable on the main roster. As stupid as it would have looked, people may have cared. It worked for Brodus. It it ended up being lame, they could have just left like they did, and still appeal to the anti wwe crowd Only thing that makes me unsure of their ability to pull this off is their level of charisma. But then again, they never really did much to showcase it. I mean, look at Dustin Rhodes circa the early to mid 1990s. Who would have guessed he had the ability to pull off Goldust in him.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 6, 2020 12:39:22 GMT -5
From the interview, FTR made a great point that Vince should be thankful about tag team wrestling because it helped built his father’s company. From the Valiant Brothers to the Grahams, hell Vince’s favorites growing up was the Grahams! He even dyed his hair blonde as tribute to Dr Jerry Graham. I don’t get why someone who grew up loving tag team wrestling thinks that it’s just not worth the time. Because you have to pay two people for one gimmick. It's as simple as that. When you brag about having 500 million on hand to investors, and then lay off 30 people the next day to save 700k, money means more than quality. Vince knows people will watch WWE with or without tag teams, so why bother wasting the money. They’re not watching as they used to.
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Post by crowley1986 on Jun 6, 2020 14:21:15 GMT -5
Money. If you have a tag team match instead of a singles match, you're paying four people instead of two. I'm sure there are a dozen other insane reasons that Vince doesn't like tag team wrestling, but I think that's the main one. Boy did he had to swallow his pride during the TLC era of teams. they sold a lot of merch, Hardys, Dudleyz and E&C, Revival didnt/dont
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 6, 2020 14:25:30 GMT -5
Because you have to pay two people for one gimmick. It's as simple as that. When you brag about having 500 million on hand to investors, and then lay off 30 people the next day to save 700k, money means more than quality. Vince knows people will watch WWE with or without tag teams, so why bother wasting the money. They’re not watching as they used to. Gonna echo this just because like - I've been fascinated by the fact that whenever I talk to someone who says they used to watch wrestling, they always bring up a top tag team of the era. Lapsed Rock 'n' Wrestling fans seem to always say they remember Demolition. Lapsed Attitude fans always seem to bring up the Hardy Boys. It's especially notable since I don't feel that Demoliton or the Hardys have ever fully leaked into the mainstream image of wrestling - Demolition only because they're so close to the Road Warriors and the Road Warriors have; and I can't say that I have ever seen a wrestling parody or reference that included the possibility of scene fashioned pretty boys as a type of wrestler.
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Post by lavelleuk on Jun 6, 2020 15:19:59 GMT -5
They’re not watching as they used to. Gonna echo this just because like - I've been fascinated by the fact that whenever I talk to someone who says they used to watch wrestling, they always bring up a top tag team of the era. Lapsed Rock 'n' Wrestling fans seem to always say they remember Demolition. Lapsed Attitude fans always seem to bring up the Hardy Boys. It's especially notable since I don't feel that Demoliton or the Hardys have ever fully leaked into the mainstream image of wrestling - Demolition only because they're so close to the Road Warriors and the Road Warriors have; and I can't say that I have ever seen a wrestling parody or reference that included the possibility of scene fashioned pretty boys as a type of wrestler. On this point,my brother HATES wrestling, but whenever it comes up he smiles remembering Legion Of Doom (or as he calls them "the guys with the spikes") I've said before but my gf only ever remembers 4 or 5 people from her years watching WWE, and the main ones she remembers are Too Cool
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 6, 2020 15:47:54 GMT -5
Boy did he had to swallow his pride during the TLC era of teams. they sold a lot of merch, Hardys, Dudleyz and E&C, Revival didnt/dont You can only work with what you have and those teams had each other and the novelty of tlc, meanwhile Revival put great matches in nxt but like almost all nxt acts once in the main roster they’re treated like second class.
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Post by thehottag on Jun 6, 2020 16:07:28 GMT -5
Whenever I see stuff like this, I think of the times I listen to STWW & Conrad brings up someone who the company buried, & asks Bruce why. And the usual response is "why would we waste our time putting guys on TV, coming up with gimmicks, & paying them if we are just going to bury them?"
Actually Bruce, that's a really good question, maybe you should get around to answering it at some point?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 6, 2020 16:16:51 GMT -5
Whenever I see stuff like this, I think of the times I listen to STWW & Conrad brings up someone who the company buried, & asks Bruce why. And the usual response is "why would we waste our time putting guys on TV, coming up with gimmicks, & paying them if we are just going to bury them?" Actually Bruce, that's a really good question, maybe you should get around to answering it at some point? Cough Bastion Booger cough
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jun 6, 2020 20:31:15 GMT -5
I kinda dddoooonnnnn't get the problem? Joke throwback teams can be hugely entertaining. It'd be Southpaw Wrestling, just as a gimmick. Parodies or imitators never get over, look at the renegade or the new midnight express. The Revival would’ve been turned into jobbers. The fact that Prichard couldn’t defend it says everything about the gimmick. I guess it depends, but it seems like they'd be throwbacks and not such specific parodies no one would get the joke. My anchor here is the Devastation Corporation from Chikara... a very different scale, obviously, but "guys who think old-school is tougher and better" is not something that would be lost on casual fans and totally works as a heel gimmick, and their "wait, it's still the territories era, right?" perspective would lend itself well to jokes more hardcore fans would appreciate. I understand not trusting the WWE bookers with it, but the gimmick itself really doesn't seem like that bad an idea.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 6, 2020 20:55:54 GMT -5
Parodies or imitators never get over, look at the renegade or the new midnight express. The Revival would’ve been turned into jobbers. The fact that Prichard couldn’t defend it says everything about the gimmick. I guess it depends, but it seems like they'd be throwbacks and not such specific parodies no one would get the joke. My anchor here is the Devastation Corporation from Chikara... a very different scale, obviously, but "guys who think old-school is tougher and better" is not something that would be lost on casual fans and totally works as a heel gimmick, and their "wait, it's still the territories era, right?" perspective would lend itself well to jokes more hardcore fans would appreciate. I understand not trusting the WWE bookers with it, but the gimmick itself really doesn't seem like that bad an idea. Vince and Bruce told them straight up that they would be parodies and would dance to the ring, mix it up with the Hannah Barbera costumes and you have a career killing gimmick. It wasn’t gonna be cool or funny like The Throwbacks or Devastation Corporation or the Southpaw Regional Wrestling characters, it was gonna be a shit gimmick that not even Bruce Prichard could sell them with a straight face.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jun 6, 2020 21:13:23 GMT -5
That was an interesting pick from the box of gimmicks.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jun 6, 2020 22:18:05 GMT -5
I guess it depends, but it seems like they'd be throwbacks and not such specific parodies no one would get the joke. My anchor here is the Devastation Corporation from Chikara... a very different scale, obviously, but "guys who think old-school is tougher and better" is not something that would be lost on casual fans and totally works as a heel gimmick, and their "wait, it's still the territories era, right?" perspective would lend itself well to jokes more hardcore fans would appreciate. I understand not trusting the WWE bookers with it, but the gimmick itself really doesn't seem like that bad an idea. Vince and Bruce told them straight up that they would be parodies and would dance to the ring, mix it up with the Hannah Barbera costumes and you have a career killing gimmick. It wasn’t gonna be cool or funny like The Throwbacks or Devastation Corporation or the Southpaw Regional Wrestling characters, it was gonna be a shit gimmick that not even Bruce Prichard could sell them with a straight face. Oh. I guess all that stuff was in the podcast? There's nothing about it in the original description. As a matter of fact, the Hanna Barbera costumes thing is still pretty perplexing.
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Post by ERON on Jun 7, 2020 4:16:41 GMT -5
If they were supposed to be a parody of '80s tag teams, why do they look like a combination of Too Cool and Well Dunn?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 7, 2020 10:04:06 GMT -5
From the interview, FTR made a great point that Vince should be thankful about tag team wrestling because it helped built his father’s company. From the Valiant Brothers to the Grahams, hell Vince’s favorites growing up was the Grahams! He even dyed his hair blonde as tribute to Dr Jerry Graham. I don’t get why someone who grew up loving tag team wrestling thinks that it’s just not worth the time. Because you have to pay two people for one gimmick. It's as simple as that. When you brag about having 500 million on hand to investors, and then lay off 30 people the next day to save 700k, money means more than quality. Vince knows people will watch WWE with or without tag teams, so why bother wasting the money. He's paying to run four different rosters (Raw, Smackdown, NXT, NXT trainees), he's signed a slew of guys just to have them, paid guys six figures to sit in catering week after week or sit at home in some cases. It's more than money, he just doesn't like it. I think it comes down to two guys having more leverage than one. If a successful act is dependant on multiple guys, they'll fight FOR oneanother rather than with, as we saw with the Shield refusing to be fed to Reigns in a handicap match. Once they were split, then Vince booking ran wild.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 7, 2020 10:47:00 GMT -5
Vince's success has been predicated on finding a star, and running them into the ground, from Hogan to Austin to Rock to Cena to what they tried to do with Reigns. With Tag Teams, you won't get that; there is a ceiling, or in Vince's mind there is. His business model isn't built on quality, it's built on selling one or two Supermen and then filling the rest of the card up. Well, when you can't find those Supermen, you become more desperate, so you don't do tag teams, you just keep trying to find one guy to catch fire.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 7, 2020 16:48:11 GMT -5
If they were supposed to be a parody of '80s tag teams, why do they look like a combination of Too Cool and Well Dunn? They mentioned it on Talk is Jericho. The idea was that they were going to say that the only way to get any attention is to be a joke so they were going to dress like that just so people would give attention
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Post by Legion on Jun 7, 2020 16:57:22 GMT -5
If they were supposed to be a parody of '80s tag teams, why do they look like a combination of Too Cool and Well Dunn? They mentioned it on Talk is Jericho. The idea was that they were going to say that the only way to get any attention is to be a joke so they were going to dress like that just so people would give attention As a launching pad - if the idea was they'd do the stupid stuff and actively say they were doing it for attention and do things as parody to ridicule - that isnt really that bad of a gimmick and could have got them over as heels. Could have been fun to see, could also have been a total car wreck.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 7, 2020 17:23:56 GMT -5
I kinda dddoooonnnnn't get the problem? Joke throwback teams can be hugely entertaining. It'd be Southpaw Wrestling, just as a gimmick. Southpaw is great when you've got the accurate production values and everyone in on the joke. Not to mention the wrestlers mostly just doing their own thing. Plus it only happens so often that it doesn't get a chance to wear out its welcome.
Southpaw-style gimmick on a weekly 2020 show heavily scripted by WWE's writing staff? Yeaaaah, no.
Remember when Pelvis Wesley or whatever showed up on Raw and the crowd collectively went into a coma?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 20:03:57 GMT -5
Gimmicks that only exist to humiliate a performer or "make the boys in the back laugh" are the absolute worst.
There is so many gimmicks and characters that haven't been done yet that the crowd would probably pop for.
You want to do wacky tag team gimmicks? Give me an Astronaut team with a Space Monkey manager, give me two bin men coming to the ring in a bin lorry. Don't just dress them up because "HAHA LOOK HOW STUPID THEY LOOK PAL!"
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 7, 2020 20:14:59 GMT -5
Gimmicks that only exist to humiliate a performer or "make the boys in the back laugh" are the absolute worst. There is so many gimmicks and characters that haven't been done yet that the crowd would probably pop for. You want to do wacky tag team gimmicks? Give me an Astronaut team with a Space Monkey manager, give me two bin men coming to the ring in a bin lorry. Don't just dress them up because "HAHA LOOK HOW STUPID THEY LOOK PAL!" A writer, I think Court Bauer, once pitched to turn Bob Holly into an astronaut, lol
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