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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 18, 2020 11:00:05 GMT -5
Oh, on the subject of Rocky 3, how did nobody tell anyone what Clubber did to Mickey? That should've gotten him stripped of the title considering his actions, even if he didn't intend to kill Mickey, lead to his death? Surely one of Rocky's cornermen could've come in and let everyone know what Clubber had done?
Also, Paulie is such a total asshole of a character, he gets only a few redeeming qualities throughout all of his appearances, although I do think that Burt Young does an amazing job playing the character. I don't think the actress of Adrian gets enough credit, either? Her speech to Rocky in Rocky 3 on the beach is criminally underrated.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jun 18, 2020 11:15:56 GMT -5
If nothing else, IV’s montage game is on point.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 18, 2020 11:18:04 GMT -5
Without getting too political, Ivan said that his life was ruined because of him losing to Rocky in the Soviet Union? I can imagine that, but when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, shouldn't he have been able to get some respect back, a fresh start or a clean slate?
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Post by unc40 on Jun 18, 2020 11:45:37 GMT -5
Of the main series from 1976-85 I have never been a big fan of 3. That's where things got semi cartoonish but I never felt Mr. T was that good of a bad guy. He was basically a cocky punk that got a cheap win over Rocky when Mickey died, then Rocky came back and utterly steamrolled him. I never saw Clubber Lang as the bad guy. He was working his butt off to get a championship match and Rocky was enjoying the high life avoiding him. When they finally meet Clubber wins but not because he's better but because Rocky isn't in his right frame of mind. When Rocky comes back for a rematch he wins easily and Clubber looks like a chump. How is Rocky the underdog in this movie? Any thoughts on Rocky VII Adrian's Revenge? |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 18, 2020 12:31:38 GMT -5
Without getting too political, Ivan said that his life was ruined because of him losing to Rocky in the Soviet Union? I can imagine that, but when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, shouldn't he have been able to get some respect back, a fresh start or a clean slate? Post Soviet Russia was insecure. Hell, they still are. I think much of modern Russian politics is based on trying to restore some supposed pride and strength that they thought they lost when the USSR collapsed. They wouldn't have wanted to associate with a guy who was so publically defeated by an American, and I'm guessing the Soviet regime threw him under the bus after that defeat and blamed him for everything. Plus, after the fight, Drago further disgraced himself by getting involved with the Russian mafia, and then was part of drug running operations during the war in Chechnya, and arms trading with anti Moscow rebel groups, and he served a lengthy prison term. Of course, none of this is based on any sort of canonical evidence, because I just made it all up. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 18, 2020 12:33:14 GMT -5
Rocky Balboa was a solid enough film but did anyone really care about Mason "The Line" Dixon? It's almost a storyline point that he's a current champion that no one respects and has no heat compared to the greats like Rocky or Creed. Supposedly in earlier drafts of the movie Dixon was supposed to be much more antagonistic to Rocky, be a proper Rocky movie bad guy. In later drafts, to give the movie a more realistic feel, they moved away from this to make him a more sympathetic figure. Unfortunately there were some artifacts of those earlier drafts left in the final film (such as Dixon approaching Rocky offering to "carry" Rocky to a respectable showing) that left the character muddled and never quite gelling. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 18, 2020 12:39:45 GMT -5
Rocky V should have shown Rocky defecting to the USSR. It's later revealed that those KGB guys that were assigned to Rocky at his training camp in Russia secretly brainwashed him to support communism. Imagine the comic book "Red Son" but with boxing.
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Post by Barry Jobber 81 on Sept 26, 2020 13:15:28 GMT -5
In Rocky II, the final round when Rocky knocked Apollo Creed with a left and they both went down. In boxing rules, Rocky Balboa wasn't knocked down. It was a slip. Apollo was the one who suffered a knock down. It's on him to get up before the count of ten.
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Post by CMWaters on Sept 26, 2020 15:25:59 GMT -5
In Rocky II, the final round when Rocky knocked Apollo Creed with a left and they both went down. In boxing rules, Rocky Balboa wasn't knocked down. It was a slip. Apollo was the one who suffered a knock down. It's on him to get up before the count of ten. Were those the rules of boxing back when Rocky II was made though? IIRC some boxing rules have changed over the years. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 26, 2020 16:20:01 GMT -5
In Rocky II, the final round when Rocky knocked Apollo Creed with a left and they both went down. In boxing rules, Rocky Balboa wasn't knocked down. It was a slip. Apollo was the one who suffered a knock down. It's on him to get up before the count of ten. If we applied real world rules to the fights in the Rocky movies, then not a single Rocky fight would've gone past the second round. |
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Sept 26, 2020 16:33:25 GMT -5
I know a ton of people hate IV for how over the top silly it is, but I love it for how over the top silly it is. It's not the best Rocky movie and is quite different than the others, but it's still a pretty entertaining ride to go on.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 26, 2020 20:04:47 GMT -5
My local theatre has been showing the entire Rocky/Creed series this week. I'm tempted to check a few of them out.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Sept 26, 2020 20:13:47 GMT -5
I know a ton of people hate IV for how over the top silly it is, but I love it for how over the top silly it is. It's not the best Rocky movie and is quite different than the others, but it's still a pretty entertaining ride to go on. I never knew people hated Rocky IV. I wonder if it was hated only until Rocky V came out. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 26, 2020 20:27:33 GMT -5
I know a ton of people hate IV for how over the top silly it is, but I love it for how over the top silly it is. It's not the best Rocky movie and is quite different than the others, but it's still a pretty entertaining ride to go on. I never knew people hated Rocky IV. I wonder if it was hated only until Rocky V came out. While the cheesiness slowly crept up through the first three Rocky movies, at the end of the day they were all still fairly grounded and dealt with a lot of personal drama. The fourth movie on the other hand was just straight up, unapologetic 80's action sports movie cheese. I can see why people at the time might not have been too kind to it. That said, at least Rocky IV is good 80's action sports movie cheese. Rocky V didn't know what it wanted to be and is hated because it's just a bad movie. |
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 2, 2020 11:16:37 GMT -5
Got a sgd Shire photo for 100 - its most likely real , she charges 280 now for autograph btw
From what i read audiences loved IV despite it not being on same level as the rest
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 2, 2020 11:26:58 GMT -5
No one hates Rocky IV.
At least no one you should listen to.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 2, 2020 12:47:31 GMT -5
Rocky 4 is the best Boxing movie with a James Brown cameo.
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Post by 4real on Oct 2, 2020 12:50:07 GMT -5
Rocky V should have shown Rocky defecting to the USSR. It's later revealed that those KGB guys that were assigned to Rocky at his training camp in Russia secretly brainwashed him to support communism. Imagine the comic book "Red Son" but with boxing. Well he said anyone could change I guess. |
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 2, 2020 13:03:50 GMT -5
but seriously... did Paulie f#@$ the robot or not!?
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 2, 2020 13:51:16 GMT -5
Without getting too political, Ivan said that his life was ruined because of him losing to Rocky in the Soviet Union? I can imagine that, but when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, shouldn't he have been able to get some respect back, a fresh start or a clean slate? Post Soviet Russia was insecure. Hell, they still are. I think much of modern Russian politics is based on trying to restore some supposed pride and strength that they thought they lost when the USSR collapsed. They wouldn't have wanted to associate with a guy who was so publically defeated by an American, and I'm guessing the Soviet regime threw him under the bus after that defeat and blamed him for everything. Plus, after the fight, Drago further disgraced himself by getting involved with the Russian mafia, and then was part of drug running operations during the war in Chechnya, and arms trading with anti Moscow rebel groups, and he served a lengthy prison term. Of course, none of this is based on any sort of canonical evidence, because I just made it all up. Don’t forget Gorby locking im in the Soviet embassy until the time cane to fight Sporto Jockitch |
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