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Post by salz4life on Jun 22, 2020 18:09:46 GMT -5
For what it's worth on that note, I don't think Jenn Decker has ever had a problem when Sammy hits on her in-character (and this is a woman who has experienced sexual assault and harassment; her stories about both brought me to tears reading about them). But it'd probably be a good idea to phase that part out of it even without the crass "jokes" if only because of the events going on in wrestling as a whole with all the allegations coming to light. Brett Favre “allegedly” sent her explicit pics.... so yeah, she unfortunately knows all to well about the crap that’s going on.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 22, 2020 18:26:06 GMT -5
Can we not do this hypothetical "If someone from WWE did this you'd all hate him HYPOCRITS!!1" gotcha garbage? It takes away from the seriousness of this situation and turns it into yet another WWE vs. AEW pissing contest.
Also if it was the same exact situation (Baron Corbin being a completely idiotic 22 year old at the time), it would've meant he "joked" about Britt Baker in that way when she was 16 which is a completely different can of worms.
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Post by Shark on Jun 22, 2020 18:32:31 GMT -5
For what it's worth on that note, I don't think Jenn Decker has ever had a problem when Sammy hits on her in-character (and this is a woman who has experienced sexual assault and harassment; her stories about both brought me to tears reading about them). But it'd probably be a good idea to phase that part out of it even without the crass "jokes" if only because of the events going on in wrestling as a whole with all the allegations coming to light. I'd imagine they talk about that sort of thing beforehand so she knows what's coming. Similar to Garza flirting with Charly on Raw, though I won't be surprised to see that get dialed back too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 18:40:10 GMT -5
For what it's worth on that note, I don't think Jenn Decker has ever had a problem when Sammy hits on her in-character (and this is a woman who has experienced sexual assault and harassment; her stories about both brought me to tears reading about them). But it'd probably be a good idea to phase that part out of it even without the crass "jokes" if only because of the events going on in wrestling as a whole with all the allegations coming to light. I'd imagine they talk about that sort of thing beforehand so she knows what's coming. Similar to Garza flirting with Charly on Raw, though I won't be surprised to see that get dialed back too. To be fair, Charly's been shown as being super into Garza's flirting so I see no harm in that continuining.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2020 18:42:27 GMT -5
He needed to be suspended and if you don't see why then you need to really think hard on this
That is unacceptable. Just because you apologize does not wipe away what you did. This shit has to stop somewhere in AEW and this is a good start. Don't try to make it more then what it is. Sammy said some stupid shit and it came back to bite him. He will grow and learn from this but his rep is going to take a blow in the short term
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2020 18:43:09 GMT -5
I'd imagine they talk about that sort of thing beforehand so she knows what's coming. Similar to Garza flirting with Charly on Raw, though I won't be surprised to see that get dialed back too. To be fair, Charly's been shown as being super into Garza's flirting so I see no harm in that continuining. Also, it's flirting He's not chasing her down like he's Pepe.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2020 18:58:34 GMT -5
1. That's a severe overreaction. 2. You suspend a guy for that, but not Jimmy Havoc. No it is not. You damaged the brand by having this shit be associated with us because of the dumb shit you said. You have evidence to what Sammy did including him apologizing for it. Minimum 30 days is appropriate Havoc is essentially suspended while he's in rehab. He doesn't have a return date and is most likely fired if other details come out
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Post by Dub H on Jun 22, 2020 19:02:57 GMT -5
1. That's a severe overreaction. 2. You suspend a guy for that, but not Jimmy Havoc. No it is not. You damaged the brand by having this shit be associated with us because of the dumb shit you said. You have evidence to what Sammy did including him apologizing for it. Minimum 30 days is appropriate Havoc is essentially suspended while he's in rehab. He doesn't have a return date and is most likely fired if other details come out I think the issue,should he punished that much for something he has done 4 years ago,when he wasnt employed,has (apparently) matured and talked with the person he offended. If he did it after being employed 100%. Not that I think it is a bad thing,it is better to be safe than sorry.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2020 19:12:48 GMT -5
No it is not. You damaged the brand by having this shit be associated with us because of the dumb shit you said. You have evidence to what Sammy did including him apologizing for it. Minimum 30 days is appropriate Havoc is essentially suspended while he's in rehab. He doesn't have a return date and is most likely fired if other details come out I think the issue,should he punished that much for something he has done 4 years ago,when he wasnt employed,has (apparently) matured and talked with the person he offended. If he did it after being employed 100%. Not that I think it is a bad thing,it is better to be safe than sorry. Apologizing does not negate the action AEW does not have the luxury of saying he didn't work here when he made those comments. This sets a precedence. If they had let this one slide, the next time something like this happened they wouldn't have ground to stand on. You can't just say anything you did before us doesn't matter because when something more severe comes up that excuse is going to look real silly
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 22, 2020 19:23:15 GMT -5
Sammy’s salary during his suspension going towards a women’s charity is a great move, IMO.
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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 22, 2020 19:23:20 GMT -5
I think the issue,should he punished that much for something he has done 4 years ago,when he wasnt employed,has (apparently) matured and talked with the person he offended. If he did it after being employed 100%. Not that I think it is a bad thing,it is better to be safe than sorry. Apologizing does not negate the action AEW does not have the luxury of saying he didn't work here when he made those comments. This sets a precedence. If they had let this one slide, the next time something like this happened they wouldn't have ground to stand on. You can't just say anything you did before us doesn't matter because when something more severe comes up that excuse is going to look real silly So in that case should they be retroactively punishing anything inappropriate that their employees have said in the past as a course of action now? Because we know these things are out there, some have even been mentioned in this thread. Or should it only be if and when someone digs them up again to cause a bit of a furore?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2020 19:29:28 GMT -5
Apologizing does not negate the action AEW does not have the luxury of saying he didn't work here when he made those comments. This sets a precedence. If they had let this one slide, the next time something like this happened they wouldn't have ground to stand on. You can't just say anything you did before us doesn't matter because when something more severe comes up that excuse is going to look real silly So in that case should they be retroactively punishing anything inappropriate that their employees have said in the past as a course of action now? Because we know these things are out there, some have even been mentioned in this thread. Or should it only be if and when someone digs them up again to cause a bit of a furore? No. If inappropriate things happened in the past and they were punished for it, it is dumb to punish them again. That's like saying Matt should be punished again for his past deeds If things come out such as this, then you need to take the appropriate actions. Saying "someone dug them up" is irrelevant. You shouldn't have said it in the first place. Do people go overboard trying to f*** with people lives? Yes, but this isn't it. Everything gets dealt with as it comes to light unless AEW hires someone to go through all their talent social media and other appearances which I doubt
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Post by Hurbster on Jun 22, 2020 19:33:30 GMT -5
Sammy’s salary during his suspension going towards a women’s charity is a great move, IMO. PR agency I would imagine.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Jun 22, 2020 19:40:45 GMT -5
I am glad an apology has been issued and pleased that sensitivity training is being undertaken as well as the fine
AEWs response however does confuses me. Off the top of my head Hager & Scorpio have both made offensive comments in the past that were brought to light in the past year and that you can’t even make the weak defence of that it’s a joke (And that is a p**s poor weak sauce defence because it’s just not funny) and as far as I am aware no punishments were dished out so is it a case that the punishment is being dished out due to the current climate or will AEW uphold everyone to the same standard now because I’m sure the majority of the roster will have some skeletons in their closet to some degree
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 19:55:24 GMT -5
I am glad an apology has been issued and pleased that sensitivity training is being undertaken as well as the fine AEWs response however does confuses me. Off the top of my head Hager & Scorpio have both made offensive comments in the past that were brought to light in the past year and that you can’t even make the weak defence of that it’s a joke (And that is a p**s poor weak sauce defence because it’s just not funny) and as far as I am aware no punishments were dished out so is it a case that the punishment is being dished out due to the current climate or will AEW uphold everyone to the same standard now because I’m sure the majority of the roster will have some skeletons in their closet to some degree I agree with you...this is a bit of a slippery slope and subjectively quantifies what is more or less offensive. I don’t dispute that a suspension may be warranted in Sammy’s case, but the stuff that Sky said was equally offensive in my opinion. In that case, an apology (and the support of an affected coworker, Sonny Kiss) was sufficient, but here a suspension was levied in addition to an apology. It’s definitely related to the current climate. I don’t know that that’s necessarily a bad thing, because this is a long overdue movement both in the wrestling industry and society at large, but retroactively punishing people for stuff like this is risky because it’s so difficult to be consistent. To me, if a person who has done something stupid in the past (notwithstanding criminal and/or predatory behavior) learns, apologizes, and grows from it, that’s probably sufficient.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 22, 2020 19:58:18 GMT -5
IIRC, Scorpio Sky was playing a bit character in WWE skits when he made his homophobic comments and was punished by them already by terminating their relationship with him. He's also been apologetic about it for quite some time and has made it clear he no longer thinks like that. So I don't think it's necessary or productive for AEW to punish him again.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 22, 2020 20:07:04 GMT -5
IIRC, Scorpio Sky was playing a bit character in WWE skits when he made his homophobic comments and was punished by them already by terminating their relationship with him. He's also been apologetic about it for quite some time and has made it clear he no longer thinks like that. So I don't think it's necessary or productive for AEW to punish him again. Yeah, he has already put it out there, both his apology and that he's talked with AEW roster members like Kiss and others about it without hiding it, so that's seen as more resolved. This, on the other hand, popped up out of the blue. Besides, I'd imagine that Sammy would actually probably LIKE to not skate on this, because being punished and all, while it doesn't get rid of it, nothing ever would, at least keeps it from coming up again as much. It renders it more of an addressed issue. Hager can piss up a rope, so no real argument here.
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Post by Lancers on Jun 22, 2020 20:11:20 GMT -5
Glad they're doing something fairly direct about it, even if "extensive sensitivity training" doesn't exactly fill me with hope, lol. Let's just say the process has a few wrinkles that need to be ironed out.
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Post by Derk! on Jun 22, 2020 21:46:40 GMT -5
Suspension is a bit harsh, but it is deserved and sets a precedent to any others not to say stupid shit.
Good on Sammy for reaching out to Sasha and apologizing.. Hope he is sincere and makes an effort to show he's changed for the better.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 22, 2020 23:06:43 GMT -5
He needed to be suspended and if you don't see why then you need to really think hard on this That is unacceptable. Just because you apologize does not wipe away what you did. This shit has to stop somewhere in AEW and this is a good start. Don't try to make it more then what it is. Sammy said some stupid shit and it came back to bite him. He will grow and learn from this but his rep is going to take a blow in the short term I assume he'll be out until All Out is done with, they didn't give a specific amount of time but that seems to be when the next "Storyline reset" is gonna happen. But yeah he needed to be suspended and I'm sure Guevara gets why. This isn't just a suspension for him, it's a suspension to set the precedent for punishment going forward because it had not been really needed in AEW until now.
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