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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 22, 2020 23:11:06 GMT -5
I don't know if he'll necessarily be gone until All Out. I just kind of assumed it'd be a 30 day suspension, though with tapings, sure, he may be gone for longer than that depending on when they would do their next taping block.
Say they had just fined him, though. Yeah, it'd be punitive, and he'd still make the apology and all, but would it have been a good look still having him on TV? Probably not, right? In which case, why not suspend him and make a statement by doing so?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2020 23:12:12 GMT -5
He needed to be suspended and if you don't see why then you need to really think hard on this That is unacceptable. Just because you apologize does not wipe away what you did. This shit has to stop somewhere in AEW and this is a good start. Don't try to make it more then what it is. Sammy said some stupid shit and it came back to bite him. He will grow and learn from this but his rep is going to take a blow in the short term I assume he'll be out until All Out is done with, they didn't give a specific amount of time but that seems to be when the next "Storyline reset" is gonna happen. But yeah he needed to be suspended and I'm sure Guevara gets why. This isn't just a suspension for him, it's a suspension to set the precedent for punishment going forward because it had not been really needed in AEW until now. I think 30 days is fair. They will need to create rules for this tho. 1st offense, 2nd offense and 3rd (final) offense Most likely Sammy is going to eat some crow for this after too. AEW wrestlers and personalities know now moving forward, shit will be done if a suspension is warranted and it will also teach people as well to keep their social media in check going forward as well That is something they def need to have in place just like WWE needs to with a social media policy
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Jun 22, 2020 23:19:39 GMT -5
IMO AEW's response has been one of the better examples of these kinds of incidents. Instead of "canceling" him, they are punishing him while giving him a chance to make amends. I wish AEW was popular enough for more companies to take this example. Now of course I think there are plenty of instances where firing someone was appropriate. But there are other times where I feel someone should have been punished while being given a second chance.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 22, 2020 23:20:38 GMT -5
I assume he'll be out until All Out is done with, they didn't give a specific amount of time but that seems to be when the next "Storyline reset" is gonna happen. But yeah he needed to be suspended and I'm sure Guevara gets why. This isn't just a suspension for him, it's a suspension to set the precedent for punishment going forward because it had not been really needed in AEW until now. I think 30 days is fair. They will need to create rules for this tho. 1st offense, 2nd offense and 3rd (final) offense Most likely Sammy is going to eat some crow for this after too. AEW wrestlers and personalities know now moving forward, shit will be done if a suspension is warranted and it will also teach people as well to keep their social media in check going forward as well That is something they def need to have in place just like WWE needs to with a social media policy 30 days works too I just wasn't sure how long it actually would be 30 days would put him in line with missing Fyter Fest and a few shows but could put him in line to still feud with Hardy Again here's hoping Sammy learns from this, I haven't seen any other red flags with him, just this shitty podcast that almost seemed to force people to be edgy and rude, so I would hope 4 years later Sammy has learned a lot and will continue to, because he's a talented kid with a bright future if he doesn't mess it up.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2020 23:26:42 GMT -5
I think 30 days is fair. They will need to create rules for this tho. 1st offense, 2nd offense and 3rd (final) offense Most likely Sammy is going to eat some crow for this after too. AEW wrestlers and personalities know now moving forward, shit will be done if a suspension is warranted and it will also teach people as well to keep their social media in check going forward as well That is something they def need to have in place just like WWE needs to with a social media policy 30 days works too I just wasn't sure how long it actually would be 30 days would put him in line with missing Fyter Fest and a few shows but could put him in line to still feud with Hardy Again here's hoping Sammy learns from this, I haven't seen any other red flags with him, just this shitty podcast that almost seemed to force people to be edgy and rude, so I would hope 4 years later Sammy has learned a lot and will continue to, because he's a talented kid with a bright future if he doesn't mess it up. I wouldn't even put him back in a feud with Hardy. You're off the show for 30 days and when you return you will sit and learn until it is time to throw you back out there You have to push this lesson into him hard. He's young and hopefully this is a major lesson learned moving forward. He seems like a good kid but this statement about Sasha and then the racism behind it shows he should known better and he didn't. As far as policy goes. Just follow off what WWE does for PEDs. 1st is 30, 2nd is 90 and 3rd time you're fired. Obviously, if allegations are strong enough you can terminate talent without a 3rd strike
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Post by Cyno on Jun 22, 2020 23:30:12 GMT -5
I do think it was weird to give him an indefinite suspension as opposed to a definitive 30-60 days or so. Maybe it depends on how much he takes to the sensitivity training?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 22, 2020 23:32:45 GMT -5
I do think it was weird to give him an indefinite suspension as opposed to a definitive 30-60 days or so. Maybe it depends on how much he takes to the sensitivity training? That's probably part of it, though I could also see it being something like "let's not commit to anything in case some other stuff surfaces", or if it was something where they don't intend to get into specifics since it's not like it's a publicly traded company like WWE.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2020 23:35:01 GMT -5
I do think it was weird to give him an indefinite suspension as opposed to a definitive 30-60 days or so. Maybe it depends on how much he takes to the sensitivity training? My guess is they wanted him to sit on this and think about it Without knowing how many days, he's forced to really take whatever they say to heart if he wants to get back on the roster anytime soon Moving forward tho they should have set days just so it don't seem like you're making shit up on the fly
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Jun 23, 2020 1:44:18 GMT -5
Anyone else find it a bit pathetic that they hire and heavily promote a convicted RAPIST , with no problem. But they have this official legal statement sent out and suspend Sammy over some Idiotic comments he made jokingly as a 22 year old kid?
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Post by Shark on Jun 23, 2020 1:54:16 GMT -5
Anyone else find it a bit pathetic that they hire and heavily promote a convicted RAPIST , with no problem. But they have this official legal statement sent out and suspend Sammy over some Idiotic comments he made jokingly as a 22 year old kid? Tyson is in this weird space where people know what he's done, but seem to not care, which is just really troubling. I mean the cast of The Hangover movie got Mel Gibson removed from the sequel because of things he said, but they happily featured Tyson in those movies. I absolutely think Sammy should have been suspended. Rape shouldn't be something to joke about and at 22, you're old enough to know that. Sammy should suffer the consequences of his actions. And I do agree it's really weird that they promoted and hyped an actual convicted rapist and Jericho has made it clear he wants Tyson to come back.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 23, 2020 2:25:17 GMT -5
Anyone else find it a bit pathetic that they hire and heavily promote a convicted RAPIST , with no problem. But they have this official legal statement sent out and suspend Sammy over some Idiotic comments he made jokingly as a 22 year old kid? Idiotic comment is still idiotic Also in fairness to Tyson he served his time and hasn’t been in trouble since. It is no secret what Tyson did
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 23, 2020 3:56:34 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIROEccYUpYI feel like Alvarez put this whole situation in the best way possible. Everything about Guevara was put out there, handled, and maturely at that between everyone involved. And it should not take away from the real and very serious situations that are still ongoing, especially with people calling for Sammy's job over this incident.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 23, 2020 7:15:24 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIROEccYUpYI feel like Alvarez put this whole situation in the best way possible. Everything about Guevara was put out there, handled, and maturely at that between everyone involved. And it should not take away from the real and very serious situations that are still ongoing, especially with people calling for Sammy's job over this incident. I’m not sure what people calling for his job has to do with the other “situations” going on. He can be punished irrespective of what happens with other situations that may be more severe.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 23, 2020 8:16:15 GMT -5
Also for those that don't understand the incident let me put it in perspective. Companies have full blown divisions in HR that scour employees social media. If they see anything at anytime that could be considered inappropriate at any time... even back to when you were a kid. It is grounds for immediate termination. So even if this was just a joke in poor taste outside of the world of wrestling Sammy would likely be fired. Does that mean he is that type of person? No not at all but actions do have consequences
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Post by Venti on Jun 23, 2020 9:46:54 GMT -5
In my opinion, even if you think it's a little harsh, sometimes you have to make an example out of someone to show that comments such as his don't fly.
Yes it was four years ago, but AEW had to take a stand to prevent people from going on social media and podcasts and saying all sorts of nonsense. And we all know how bad wrestlers can be at social media.
Sammy's young, I don't see this derailing his career.
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Post by moxfan1 on Jun 23, 2020 10:20:36 GMT -5
Anyone else find it a bit pathetic that they hire and heavily promote a convicted RAPIST , with no problem. But they have this official legal statement sent out and suspend Sammy over some Idiotic comments he made jokingly as a 22 year old kid? Idiotic comment is still idiotic Also in fairness to Tyson he served his time and hasn’t been in trouble since. It is no secret what Tyson did Yeah 20 plus years of being good citizen took heat off Tyson. Plus he had a lot of mental health issues back then that went untreated being bipolar. It's no excuse or did it make ok what Tyson did. But it could be why the public opinion on Tyson isn't being talked about anymore. Since it was almost 30 years ago now and he already was punished and served time for it.
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Post by FHgrad99 on Jun 23, 2020 10:54:41 GMT -5
Hopefully he uses this suspension as a learning experience. I'm glad that he and Sasha Banks were able to have a discussion about this and I hope that Sammy Guevara realizes that his words, in jest or not were hurtful.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 23, 2020 11:31:19 GMT -5
I think this sets a good precedent: Poor behavior will have consequences, and high ranking status will not protect you.
Sammy Guevara has been featured just about every week since Dynamite started airing, but they still suspended him immediately and without hesitation, and likely informed him that he is on the thinnest of all ice about what he says and does online.
Seemingly, their procedure is, suspension without pay, some direct action taken to address the problem for which the talent has suspended, followed by a reevaluation and decision about their status following the completion of their mandated therapy/training/rehabilitation.
It prevents an impulsive knee-jerk response which benefits nobody, while also holding the talent accountable for their behavior and telling them that they aren't guaranteed their spot back afterwards.
It's smart business wise, and will most likely help to curb bad behavior.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 23, 2020 11:53:58 GMT -5
I think this sets a good precedent: Poor behavior will have consequences, and high ranking status will not protect you. Sammy Guevara has been featured just about every week since Dynamite started airing, but they still suspended him immediately and without hesitation, and likely informed him that he is on the thinnest of all ice about what he says and does online. Seemingly, their procedure is, suspension without pay, some direct action taken to address the problem for which the talent has suspended, followed by a reevaluation and decision about their status following the completion of their mandated therapy/training/rehabilitation. It prevents an impulsive knee-jerk response which benefits nobody, while also holding the talent accountable for their behavior and telling them that they aren't guaranteed their spot back afterwards. It's smart business wise, and will most likely help to curb bad behavior. One wonders if when a company (especially companies that are more willing, like Impact or MLW) signs someone with a reputation (eg : past allegations), if they should adopt a policy of announcing that that talent will be serving an immediate suspension period plus mandatory behavioral training before they can appear on television.
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Post by Celgress on Jun 23, 2020 13:26:56 GMT -5
Well, 2020 just gets worse and worse for Pro Wrestling. I thought Sammy had a bright future ahead of him as a great heel, not so much now. It is tragic how he destroyed himself by saying such heinous things. Rape is NEVER something you joke about, especially if you're a guy.
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