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Post by markymark on Jun 23, 2020 14:04:09 GMT -5
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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 23, 2020 14:12:40 GMT -5
He's still good in my book. Looking forward to seeing him back better than ever.
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Post by honsou on Jun 23, 2020 14:12:45 GMT -5
I might be naive but this is the only apology I actually believe.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 23, 2020 14:15:38 GMT -5
Well, 2020 just gets worse and worse for Pro Wrestling. I thought Sammy had a bright future ahead of him as a great heel, not so much now. It is tragic how he destroyed himself by saying such heinous things. Rape is NEVER something you joke about, especially if you're a guy. I doubt his future is ruined over it
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Post by Celgress on Jun 23, 2020 14:17:33 GMT -5
Well, 2020 just gets worse and worse for Pro Wrestling. I thought Sammy had a bright future ahead of him as a great heel, not so much now. It is tragic how he destroyed himself by saying such heinous things. Rape is NEVER something you joke about, especially if you're a guy. I doubt his future is ruined over it In this day and age, his future very well could be. For good or ill, people are not very forgiving anymore.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 23, 2020 14:18:32 GMT -5
I might be naive but this is the only apology I actually believe. I can buy him as sincere because the interview that was uncovered was a public appearance. He has had several years of not going that low in public since. In contrast to say, someone whose shady behavior on the down low came to light, where what we saw in public was fake all along. It might not go much further than "he isn't that stupid with his public persona anymore," but that is at least tangible.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 23, 2020 14:18:37 GMT -5
He's still good in my book. Looking forward to seeing him back better than ever. I believe that he is sorry. I don't think his career is dead. He doing all he can to make the situation as right as he could.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jun 23, 2020 14:22:23 GMT -5
Sounded regretful and earnest. Think he should look into giving back to victims of rape perhaps, a foundation or charity, as a sort of reparation for the incident. But still, feels like one of the better apologies I've heard and sounds like he isn't mad about being caught, only that he did that in the first place. All you can ask really.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 23, 2020 14:46:08 GMT -5
I doubt his future is ruined over it In this day and age, his future very well could be. For good or ill, people are not very forgiving anymore. It depends. There people who have forgiven others who done way worst. It's in the NFL and hell in wrestling. Yes Sammy did was bad and was in a tasteless joke. But lets not treat him as IF he did it. Compared to others who done worst in my eyes I mean whats worst, saying a very bad tasteless common that was suppose to been a joke on a non joking subject. Or doing something legal like drugs or a DWI. If this was the case, Jeff Hardy for example wouldn't still be the popular wrestler he still is by the majority. Jake Roberts and Scott Hall while went and got the help, and everyone loves seeing them doing well. They did some bad illegal things a number of times. But so many forgiven it. Yes they are two different situations but what really worst? Making a tasteless joke that he sorry about. Or doing something illegal and being arrested countless of times for it and That was a true danger?
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Post by Cyno on Jun 23, 2020 14:50:27 GMT -5
Sounded regretful and earnest. Think he should look into giving back to victims of rape perhaps, a foundation or charity, as a sort of reparation for the incident. But still, feels like one of the better apologies I've heard and sounds like he isn't mad about being caught, only that he did that in the first place. All you can ask really. He kinda is already since AEW's donating what would've been his salary to a women's shelter. But I also think it'd be meaningful if he made a voluntary gesture on his own.
I also think his career will rebound. As far as we know, the most harm he's done was made "jokes" in extremely poor taste on an edgelord podcast. I guess things will be awkward around the women in AEW for awhile, but I think fans will be quick to forgive him if he's on good behavior and has some baller matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 14:53:50 GMT -5
Good on Sammy for not just reading some corporate, pre-written apology.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 23, 2020 15:26:02 GMT -5
I doubt his future is ruined over it In this day and age, his future very well could be. For good or ill, people are not very forgiving anymore. I think people are forgiving if they have reason to believe that a party has learned from their past. If Sammy truly gets the seriousness and makes an effort to change he will be given every chance. Now some will still say yeah but, but i think society wants to forgive. Now if more recent stuff comes out? Yeah not so much. Like I dont want to downplay what Sammy said, but I don't put him on the same level as Joey Ryan and David Starr
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 15:28:05 GMT -5
Between the apology and the video he's handled it about as well as you could hope for. The thing I was iffy about was the tweet he liked then deleted. I'd like to think that was an accident.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 23, 2020 15:43:18 GMT -5
Last thing Sammy needs to worry about is when his forgiveness will come
That comes with time. He just has to keep his head down and do his work and everything will fall into place but if he or anyone is saying he apologized so all is forgiven right now is mistaken. Your actions will mean much more then your words over time if you are truly sorry
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 23, 2020 16:05:49 GMT -5
Last thing Sammy needs to worry about is when his forgiveness will come That comes with time. He just has to keep his head down and do his work and everything will fall into place but if he or anyone is saying he apologized so all is forgiven right now is mistaken. Your actions will mean much more then your words over time if you are truly sorry I hope Sammy's words ring true and that his 2016 self is very much in the past. He seems to be committed to bettering himself and learning and you couldn't ask for a better attitude from a young gun in this business. I wish some others would handle situations like this like Sammy has, but... well some people never wanna be wrong.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 23, 2020 16:32:17 GMT -5
Last thing Sammy needs to worry about is when his forgiveness will come That comes with time. He just has to keep his head down and do his work and everything will fall into place but if he or anyone is saying he apologized so all is forgiven right now is mistaken. Your actions will mean much more then your words over time if you are truly sorry I hope Sammy's words ring true and that his 2016 self is very much in the past. He seems to be committed to bettering himself and learning and you couldn't ask for a better attitude from a young gun in this business. I wish some others would handle situations like this like Sammy has, but... well some people never wanna be wrong. I see it too much not just in wrestling but even at my job. People want to talk their way out of trouble. If you come out and own that you messed up the road to recovery and forgiveness is a lot easier. But people would rather justify that they did than admit a wrongdoing... whether the wrongdoing was intentional or a mistake
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Post by Tenshigure on Jun 23, 2020 17:06:22 GMT -5
I personally have felt that the Guevara situation is not unlike what happened with James Gunn two years ago. As you may recall, Gunn had also made comments that were purely for shock value (including one that said something along the lines of 'The best thing about being raped is when you're done being raped and it's like 'whew this feels great, not being raped!').
By owning up to his words (not making excuses, but being straight to the point about them) and being earnest about wanting to be better than the person he once was, I can see him making a full recovery career-wise as long as he keeps his nose clean. There are many many others with much more vile and horrendous accusations against them that will never have this kind of opportunity, so hopefully he understands this and realizes that he has a far broader reach than he once had back then.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 23, 2020 17:37:44 GMT -5
I can buy his apology. 22 year old punk saying something vile to get a reaction. Can't say I haven't seen that thousands of times. And just the same, I've known plenty of people who see edgelord shit they did and be mortified about it.
I can't and won't offer absolution to anyone, as that's not my place to do it, but whether or not he's sincere will be demonstrated by his actions. Hope he'll take the training seriously and that he'll do a lot of listening right now.
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Post by 3cheers4ramirez on Jun 23, 2020 18:31:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I think he'll be fine. People should be allowed to make mistakes and making sincere, unreserved apologies, accepting punishment and coming back a better person should be encouraged.
I can imagine having to pick up the phone to talk to Sasha would've been pretty humbling.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 24, 2020 3:36:36 GMT -5
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