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Post by government mule on Jun 29, 2020 5:55:03 GMT -5
I know it was obviously a publicity stunt because WCW were a bit rattled by the ratings shift back in the WWF's favour, but when Bischoff called out McMahon on PPV, what would he have done if Vinnie had actually had turned up (apparently he was nearby attending something for Stephanie)?? What sort of plan would Eric have had and what would Ted Turner had done if his fiercest rival showed on his network?
WCW spent the whole night bizzarely name dropping McMahon as much as they could, giving them valuable free advertising as it was but I reckon Vince could have got so much more had he had shown up at the gate DX tank style, even if WCW bottled it and never let him in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 7:41:09 GMT -5
Vince McMahon probably would have kicked the shit out of Eric Bischoff for real at that point.
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Post by jason1980s on Jun 29, 2020 7:42:12 GMT -5
If Ted Turner was there I'd imagine he'd be happy to see Vince. He seemed oblivious to the inner workings of wrestling as a business and Vince the man being his competition. Maybe because he had more money but I think wrestling was never a war for Ted, it was always a game or play toy to collect. I think having Vince not mentioned as the owner for many years, and fans believing their really was a President as opposed to Ted being the owner of WCW, I think that made WWF seem more legit. I think Eric Bischoff would probably have a bunch of tough guys and security waiting for Vince even if he did try and come to the show. It was probably worth more to Eric not having Vince on the show rather than having him.
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 29, 2020 7:46:50 GMT -5
What I never got was that Eric was a heel and in fact the leader of the nWo, so why would he suddenly call out Vince to essentially defend the honor of WCW?
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 29, 2020 7:47:45 GMT -5
Vince McMahon probably would have kicked the shit out of Eric Bischoff for real at that point. It's the old "crazy old man strength vs. trained fighter" argument. As much as a goof as Bischoff was and is, he's a legit blackbelt and was a solid amateur wrestler. And as much of as an uncoordinated meathead as Vince is, he was on more juice than Tropicana and wanted to see Bischoff 6 feet under
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 7:52:56 GMT -5
What I never got was that Eric was a heel and in fact the leader of the nWo, so why would he suddenly call out Vince to essentially defend the honor of WCW? Because even though he was affiliated with the NWO he was still the onscreen boss. Also, his NWO affiliation didn't suddenly erase his beef with WWF.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 29, 2020 8:20:51 GMT -5
Vince McMahon probably would have kicked the shit out of Eric Bischoff for real at that point. It's the old "crazy old man strength vs. trained fighter" argument. As much as a goof as Bischoff was and is, he's a legit blackbelt and was a solid amateur wrestler. And as much of as an uncoordinated meathead as Vince is, he was on more juice than Tropicana and wanted to see Bischoff 6 feet under Vince is probably quite a few weightclasses above Eric too. And we've seen Vince shirtless enough to know it's not from having a beer belly. He's also batshit insane. I've seen enough barfights in my time to know that size does matter, but size can often be overcome by crazy. But size AND crazy? That's not a fight you ever want to be on the wrong side of.
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Post by hassanchop on Jun 29, 2020 8:24:30 GMT -5
He'd leave immediately after discovering there was no mahi mahi
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 29, 2020 8:34:00 GMT -5
Bischoff would probably make sure that legit tough guys like Norton and Steiner would come out with him.
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Post by hassanchop on Jun 29, 2020 8:40:39 GMT -5
And when it's done and Vince leaves Bischoff would beg Vince to take Warrior with him.
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Post by cornettesracket on Jun 29, 2020 8:50:28 GMT -5
Vince McMahon probably would have kicked the shit out of Eric Bischoff for real at that point. It's the old "crazy old man strength vs. trained fighter" argument. As much as a goof as Bischoff was and is, he's a legit blackbelt and was a solid amateur wrestler. And as much of as an uncoordinated meathead as Vince is, he was on more juice than Tropicana and wanted to see Bischoff 6 feet under Bischoff might have been a more trained fighter and might win on style points but vince would best him in a fight. I never understood why WCW pointed to things WWF did like the slamboree challenge and the foley title win. Why would you draw attention to your competitor ? WCW styled itself as pro wrestling while WWF was sports entertainment yet WCW at times saved WWF the bother of promoting stuff. It'd be like one network TV channel telling its audience what great programmes its competitors has.
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Post by eJm on Jun 29, 2020 9:02:12 GMT -5
It's the old "crazy old man strength vs. trained fighter" argument. As much as a goof as Bischoff was and is, he's a legit blackbelt and was a solid amateur wrestler. And as much of as an uncoordinated meathead as Vince is, he was on more juice than Tropicana and wanted to see Bischoff 6 feet under Bischoff might have been a more trained fighter and might win on style points but vince would best him in a fight. I never understood why WCW pointed to things WWF did like the slamboree challenge and the foley title win. Why would you draw attention to your competitor ? WCW styled itself as pro wrestling while WWF was sports entertainment yet WCW at times saved WWF the bother of promoting stuff. It'd be like one network TV channel telling its audience what great programmes its competitors has. I mean, it wasn't like WWF didn't point out the competition during that era either. They were doing it as far back as late 1996.
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Post by bob on Jun 29, 2020 9:15:09 GMT -5
Vince would've knocked Eric's block off
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jun 29, 2020 9:51:30 GMT -5
I remember this idea that McMahon would've beaten him up if he'd shown up being mentioned in the gloating Monday Night War documentary from 2004 or whenever it was, to reinforce the narrative that "nobody messes with Mister Mack Mann". I've never bought it, Bischoff was a competitive kickboxer at one time, I think there's a pretty strong possibility he would've given McMahon a real hiding.
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Post by petef3 on Jun 29, 2020 9:56:42 GMT -5
I remember this idea that McMahon would've beaten him up if he'd shown up being mentioned in the gloating Monday Night War documentary from 2004 or whenever it was, to reinforce the narrative that "nobody messes with Mister Mack Mann". I've never bought it, Bischoff was a competitive kickboxer at one time, I think there's a pretty strong possibility he would've given McMahon a real hiding. This. Some of the "logic" in these posts is the similar kind of logic to the people who think the Mountain or Mark Henry would destroy Conor MacGregor. Yes, all things being equal the bigger man will win and that's why we have weight classes, but Bischoff and Vince are not "equal" when it comes to actual fighting. In that case, technique beats size a lot of the time.
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Post by jason1980s on Jun 29, 2020 10:02:33 GMT -5
Did Eric ever give his side (spin, half truth, fib, lie) as to what he would have done if Vince showed up? Other than Eric kicking the concrete block on Jim Ross's head has footage of anything related to Eric's background ever been shown online? I imagine him much like he was in wrestling, the suck up but in this case probably sucking up to Sensei to bypass certain milestones in karate to get to the black belt faster. It wouldn't surprise me if his black belt were his ultimate act of kayfabe in his own life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 10:07:27 GMT -5
Eric would have kicked Vince's ass in the center of the ring with tens of thousands of fans watching, then guys who used to work with him would come out with mics to shoot on how much he sucked, then embarrassed WWF fans would switch to Nitro, the higher ups at Time Warner would have been so impressed by how WCW was performing in the ratings that they would have never entertained the idea of shutting it down, and WCW would win the Monday Night Wars and still be going strong today. Ok, so that's just what I would have liked to happen.
In reality, I doubt any fight would happen. Vince would probably get into the ring and go full heel mode, shoot on Hogan, Ted Turner, WCW and the NWO, bask in the response of the crowd, and would strut out looking like a badass whereas Eric would probably just be standing there looking shell-shocked and forced to come up with some narrative for how he embarrassed Vince.
It was a stupid challenge to begin with. All Vince would have had to do is show up and not make a complete ass of himself to win. Likewise, it would have been the same if Vince had challenged Eric to show up. People would be saying Eric was a badass for taking the dare, and I almost 100% guarantee that Eric would have done it if it had been Vince making the challenge.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jun 29, 2020 11:33:04 GMT -5
Did Eric ever give his side (spin, half truth, fib, lie) as to what he would have done if Vince showed up? Other than Eric kicking the concrete block on Jim Ross's head has footage of anything related to Eric's background ever been shown online? I imagine him much like he was in wrestling, the suck up but in this case probably sucking up to Sensei to bypass certain milestones in karate to get to the black belt faster. It wouldn't surprise me if his black belt were his ultimate act of kayfabe in his own life. Didn't Eric hire his sensei? One Ernest "the Cat" Miller
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Post by government mule on Jun 29, 2020 13:17:53 GMT -5
Oh I think McMahon could easily take Bischoff in a fight back then, no doubt. It would be a dirty fight and Vince would definitely kick him in the grapefruits.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 29, 2020 13:43:50 GMT -5
They wouldn't have let him in. The visual of him outside the arena and not being allowed in would have been gold for WCW. There was never a world in which they'd face off in a ring. No way.
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