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Post by thechase on Sept 14, 2022 6:50:09 GMT -5
On twitter a lot of scans of the magazine are floating around, with some spoilers {Spoiler}The Master has two looks, one semi-based on Chris Chibnall, and another looking like Rasputin, The Cyberlords from series 12 are back also
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Post by schma on Sept 14, 2022 8:51:31 GMT -5
You know what would super excite me? A series that has neither Daleks nor Cybermen. They have gone to the well far too many times with them. I get that they are classic monsters but when you only have 6-13 episodes a season, it's a bit much to have 1-6 of them devoted to Cybermen and Daleks every season.
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Post by Burst on Sept 14, 2022 8:58:45 GMT -5
You know what would super excite me? A series that has neither Daleks nor Cybermen. They have gone to the well far too many times with them. I get that they are classic monsters but when you only have 6-13 episodes a season, it's a bit much to have 1-6 of them devoted to Cybermen and Daleks every season. If RTD approaches things in any way like he did when he first brought back the series, we'll hopefully see the Dalek/Cybermen activity dialed back substantially. Who does seem to go in cycles of "we're only going to have the classic baddies as special attractions once a series or in the series finale" to "we're losing ratings, put the Daleks in EVERYTHING!", so IMO it's about par for the course. That being said, I wouldn't mind if they made the Gatling-style blasters a permanent part of the Dalek design versus just a variant, unless it would be too much for competitive balance, if you will. Daleks when properly written are terrifying enough, but you give them the rate of fire of an MG42, and then yeah, you could 100% buy them as universal conquerors.
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Post by schma on Sept 14, 2022 10:25:31 GMT -5
You know what would super excite me? A series that has neither Daleks nor Cybermen. They have gone to the well far too many times with them. I get that they are classic monsters but when you only have 6-13 episodes a season, it's a bit much to have 1-6 of them devoted to Cybermen and Daleks every season. If RTD approaches things in any way like he did when he first brought back the series, we'll hopefully see the Dalek/Cybermen activity dialed back substantially. Who does seem to go in cycles of "we're only going to have the classic baddies as special attractions once a series or in the series finale" to "we're losing ratings, put the Daleks in EVERYTHING!", so IMO it's about par for the course. That being said, I wouldn't mind if they made the Gatling-style blasters a permanent part of the Dalek design versus just a variant, unless it would be too much for competitive balance, if you will. Daleks when properly written are terrifying enough, but you give them the rate of fire of an MG42, and then yeah, you could 100% buy them as universal conquerors. I will acknowledge that I didn't really start watching who until they were already on series 6 or 7. I had never seen Classic Who either. To me, any image I'd seen of a Dalek was funny. Who would take that crap seriously? Really though, binging 5 or 6 seasons just made the constant presence of Daleks and Cybermen that much more noticeable.
Then, I watched the episode with Eccleston as he lost is f***ing mind over being locked in a room with ONE Dalek. In that episode they really drove home just how dangerous the Daleks were and I thought that was awesome. After that episode I went, 'okay, I can see how these guys are classic villains'. I grew up on Star Trek and I know how much recognizable adversaries can add to something like this. It just feels like it is far too constant. Also, even one of the writers realized that the more often they show up, the more often they are beaten. It actually diminishes the drama of it. Surely there are other classic aliens they could use for a series or two, give us a chance to actually miss the Daleks or Cybermen before bringing them back.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 14, 2022 10:27:17 GMT -5
You know what would super excite me? A series that has neither Daleks nor Cybermen. They have gone to the well far too many times with them. I get that they are classic monsters but when you only have 6-13 episodes a season, it's a bit much to have 1-6 of them devoted to Cybermen and Daleks every season. I think the reason the Daleks show up quite so often is the deal with Terry Nation's estate, don't use them regularly enough and the show could end up losing them altogether. And there actually haven't been a ton of Cyberman-focused stories over the course of the last 17 years. I wonder if it seems more like they're overused because they tend to show up in a bunch of the memorable finales? And weirdly, they never tend to be the sole threat of those finales, with the Master turning up with them a surprising amount. - Rise Of The Cybermen/Age Of Steel - Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday - The Next Doctor - Closing Time - Nightmare In Silver - Dark Water/Death In Heaven - World Enough And Time/The Doctor Falls - The Haunting of Villa Diodati/Ascension of the Cybermen/The Timeless Children
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Post by schma on Sept 14, 2022 10:50:35 GMT -5
You know what would super excite me? A series that has neither Daleks nor Cybermen. They have gone to the well far too many times with them. I get that they are classic monsters but when you only have 6-13 episodes a season, it's a bit much to have 1-6 of them devoted to Cybermen and Daleks every season. I think the reason the Daleks show up quite so often is the deal with Terry Nation's estate, don't use them regularly enough and the show could end up losing them altogether. And there actually haven't been a ton of Cyberman-focused stories over the course of the last 17 years. I wonder if it seems more like they're overused because they tend to show up in a bunch of the memorable finales? And weirdly, they never tend to be the sole threat of those finales, with the Master turning up with them a surprising amount. - Rise Of The Cybermen/Age Of Steel - Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday - The Next Doctor - Closing Time - Nightmare In Silver - Dark Water/Death In Heaven - World Enough And Time/The Doctor Falls - The Haunting of Villa Diodati/Ascension of the Cybermen/The Timeless Children I think at first it was more Dalek heavy and now the Cybermen are overtaking them, though it might well be because of their prevalence in finales. Still, while that is only 14 episodes, that's about 9% of all episodes of NuWho. I wouldn't be surprised if the Daleks are in more.
Binging the first 5-6 series probably made them seem more prominent than they are but it's still quite a bit.
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Post by Burst on Sept 14, 2022 10:55:58 GMT -5
Then, I watched the episode with Eccleston as he lost is f***ing mind over being locked in a room with ONE Dalek. In that episode they really drove home just how dangerous the Daleks were and I thought that was awesome. After that episode I went, 'okay, I can see how these guys are classic villains'. I grew up on Star Trek and I know how much recognizable adversaries can add to something like this. It just feels like it is far too constant. Also, even one of the writers realized that the more often they show up, the more often they are beaten. It actually diminishes the drama of it. Surely there are other classic aliens they could use for a series or two, give us a chance to actually miss the Daleks or Cybermen before bringing them back. As was pointed out re: the Terry Nation estate, I think they're essentially obligated to have at least one Dalek appearance per series as kind of a use it or lose it sort of deal. For the most part I'd argue that the better Dalek stories tend to have fewer of them. It's a combo of both conservation of ninjutsu, and just that Daleks are inherently OP to the point that if you do end up having a metric butt ton of them for the Doctor et al to go up against, you're stuck with increasingly Deux ex Machina tactics to actually neutralize them for that given episode. That's actually one of my biggest complaints about later in the RTD era, that they went to the well a few too many times with the Daleks as a universal-scale threat. Granted, that also ends up overlapping with my other biggest complaint about the RTD era, which is to say, Rose getting the original Best Companion Ever (TM) borderline Mary Sue treatment. Actually, I could very much do without the one-upmanship of each showrunner having to have their main companion be the Best Companion Ever that affects the Doctor like none have ever before.
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Post by schma on Sept 14, 2022 11:09:28 GMT -5
It's a shame that they have to work around the rights like that for Daleks. I had no idea about that. It's also kind of surprising, I never really thought of the creator of the Daleks as having any special rights to them. I don't imagine the creators of the Klingons having similar rights. Though, I suppose that's more due to differences between the nations.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 14, 2022 11:16:21 GMT -5
It's a shame that they have to work around the rights like that for Daleks. I had no idea about that. It's also kind of surprising, I never really thought of the creator of the Daleks as having any special rights to them. I don't imagine the creators of the Klingons having similar rights. Though, I suppose that's more due to differences between the nations. Most Doctor Who writers back in the day were freelancers, and thus a lot of the non-central concepts have wound up in the writers hands. The same happened with K-9, the Brigadier, and a lot of individual story settings. While it's occasionally a headache rights wise with returning characters and monsters, it also means we've ended up with a whole variety of spinoffs that wouldn't exist otherwise, and it's all good so long as the Doctor/TARDIS/etc isn't mentioned. Companies like Obverse Books and Cutaway Comics basically operate entirely on this basis, and do amazing work!
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Post by Burst on Sept 14, 2022 11:52:10 GMT -5
Yeah, as someone intent on hopefully publishing down the road, I'll always be on the side of the original creators keeping rights to their work in some way or another. It's kind of its own can of worms because on one side you have things like Disney keeping 100% rights so hopefully it wasn't something you the creator wanted to revisit on your own time years down the road, and on the other side you have the Ken Penders vs. Archie slap fight with the collective "...THAT'S what you wanted the rights to all your characters back for?" reaction.
But at least in the case of Doctor Who, they seem to have found a reasonable balance over the years.
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Post by thechase on Sept 26, 2022 10:18:24 GMT -5
New photo courtesy of Empire Magazine An excerpt from Jodie's interview
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 26, 2022 16:21:33 GMT -5
As far as has been said, the Daleks are not a contractual obligation. It's just that they normally give good ratings, so they bring them back so often.
It is kinda wild that the only modern series not to have either Daleks or Cybermen in it, and often both, was Series 11. And a Dalek was in the New Years' Special just a month or so after 11 ended as it was.
Little surprised there's still no announced date for Jodie's last story. End of October remains the heavy rumour.
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Post by thechase on Oct 4, 2022 12:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Oct 7, 2022 7:08:24 GMT -5
Word now is that there's to be a press screening for Power of the Doctor on Tuesday, October 11th.
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Post by thechase on Oct 7, 2022 13:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Oct 8, 2022 9:01:27 GMT -5
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Post by Burst on Oct 8, 2022 18:04:40 GMT -5
I forget, was this supposed to be a feature-length episode? Because that sure as heck seems like there's a hell of a lot going on in that trailer, even by the standards of your average Nu-Who series ender.
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Post by thechase on Oct 11, 2022 11:59:44 GMT -5
I forget, was this supposed to be a feature-length episode? Because that sure as heck seems like there's a hell of a lot going on in that trailer, even by the standards of your average Nu-Who series ender. It's a 90 minute episode. Press screening is reportedly happening tonight.
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Post by thechase on Oct 11, 2022 13:05:45 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Oct 13, 2022 13:31:51 GMT -5
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