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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Oct 13, 2022 14:33:05 GMT -5
well at least he had a plan for the end of his run as show runner.
I'll admit that I'm expecting the final show to be as popular as a loud wet fart in a cathedral as most of the writing in his run as show runner has been below par compared to other show runners. (the others have had bad episodes in good series, but he's had more bad episodes than good ones.)
at least it can't end with "we fixed things despite multiple deaths, oh well off we go" as so many episodes have (is the universe still ruined because of the flux or was it put back as it was?)
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Post by thechase on Oct 14, 2022 8:56:12 GMT -5
No Christmas special this year, confirmed on a fan forum by the BBC's entertainment correspondent.
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Post by Burst on Oct 14, 2022 12:52:31 GMT -5
well at least he had a plan for the end of his run as show runner. I'll admit that I'm expecting the final show to be as popular as a loud wet fart in a cathedral as most of the writing in his run as show runner has been below par compared to other show runners. (the others have had bad episodes in good series, but he's had more bad episodes than good ones.) at least it can't end with "we fixed things despite multiple deaths, oh well off we go" as so many episodes have (is the universe still ruined because of the flux or was it put back as it was?) There's a part of me that's rather leery of Chibnall basically doing an in-universe table flip and leaving a big continuity mess for RTD to have to clean up. I'm also wary because I feel like you could get that both unintentionally via introducing even more retcons in semi-good faith, or intentionally out of spite.
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Post by thechase on Oct 17, 2022 8:17:15 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Oct 23, 2022 3:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Oct 23, 2022 11:17:02 GMT -5
and i watched the legend of the sea devils again the more you watch it the more entertaining it is
so looking forward to the finale
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 23, 2022 15:03:33 GMT -5
What?
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Post by thechase on Oct 23, 2022 15:03:36 GMT -5
{Spoiler}"I know these teeth....
...What? ...WHAT? ...WHAT?!
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Oct 23, 2022 15:11:59 GMT -5
i'm not saying the word I'M NOT no major spoileroonies, my subtle nods though ... {Spoiler}well, wasn't that a nice big full steaming mug of NuWho, packed to the rafters of the tardis ...OOOHHHHHH there's gonna be some explaining to do!!! so good so gooey so goodbye jodie ... YOU WERE BRILLIANT ... unless you AREN'T!!! the more bloody answers you get the more questions you are bonked with!!! oh and pro tip stop sodding changing into everybody already ... everything just fit so well and then you got a good slappin' now off to watching something lighter and more fun filled ... the handmaids tale!
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Post by thechase on Oct 23, 2022 15:27:50 GMT -5
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 23, 2022 15:35:09 GMT -5
That was good fun. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Very Journey's End / Stolen Earth, very much so.
And I felt the same way as I do for that. Rather messy and the plot wavers, but fan service bliss.
I got the Ace/Seventh 'goodbye' we never had on screen. 'My' Doctor and 'my' companion. Beautiful.
They really should've had The Doctor kiss Yaz, though. Cowards!
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 23, 2022 15:38:18 GMT -5
By the way, congratulations on Chibnall for the extended queerbaiting.
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 23, 2022 15:45:56 GMT -5
{Spoiler}So, when we consider that Legend Of The Sea Devils could have been the finale, god am I glad we got this instead. There's always going to be more that could be done with certain aspects, and I do have criticisms. But I think that got the right level of spectacle, sentiment, etc.
Let's get the criticisms out of the way first: - Still don't get what the whole tectonics plot was about, other than a way to have the Daleks doing something rather than filling out the villain numbers, and the freezing volcanos thing was the only thing that felt like a cheap fix, but other than that everything tied in ok together knowing it was the Master guiding it. Like, why the whole thing Rasputin/1916 in particular even though it didn't tie into the history much? So he could do the dance number, obvs. - I think Yaz's departure felt a bit off just because it's never really established why she doesn't stick around post regeneration given how much she loves the Doctor? I think if they'd stuck in one line like "seeing someone else walking off in your clothes was too much, and I don't think I could take it again" would have fixed it. Like, I knew we weren't getting the shippy stuff, I can't even agree with the online takes calling it queerbaiting, because like, the only memorable part of LOTSD was them conclusively saying it wasn't going to happen, the bait's back in the box, the fishing trip is over, but just give us like, an actual reason for the conclusion.
Now, with that aside, let's get into raving about bits I liked. - This was absolutely Sasha Dhawan's episode, and with the end of this era, his Master is going to be one of the bits I miss the most. He chewed up the scenery, had a dance number as memorable as Simm with the Scissor Sisters, was menacing and camp and dangerous in all the right ways, and I loved that he achieved that longstanding goal of stealing the Doctor's body after decades. Even quoted 'dress for the occasion', the Roberts Master would be proud. I can't wait for him to show up in Big Finish. - It really felt like the fanservice in this episode was absolutely perfectly targeted for/at me. As a 6/7/8 fan, so many glorious little moments. There's no Fiveish Doctors sideshow here, as fun as that was, this is my Doctors on telly for the first time in decades. Seeing them for the first time in the Doctor's mindscape (and Eight being too working class to go with the robes, so we've actually got more on screen reference material of that lovely costume), Ace putting on her jacket and wielding the bat again, then that gorgeous gorgeous conversation between Seven and Ace, just open ended to go along with all the various departures of Ace - minus the comics - but leaving them on a tender note was lovely. Then the meetup of companions, and Mel together with Ace on screen! And Jo, fandom's collectively dotty grandma! And oh, my heart sang when we saw Ian. William Russell's still here after 60 years of Doctor Who, and I'm so glad they could get him for this. Fanservice is good sometimes, and these are the kinds of episodes to do it. - The resolution of using the technology for forced degeneration leads kinda perfectly into the Tennant appearance, and considering how little contact Chibnall and RTD apparently had, that's kinda miraculous. And I'm glad we got the hints of Gatwa as well so the next series doesn't entirely revolve around the step back.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 23, 2022 15:50:39 GMT -5
{Spoiler}So Graham's line about the Doctor not explaining anything might well apply to Chibnall himself.
How did The Master survive? I know the old series had The Master survive without explanation more than once but you can't handwave it away anymore.
How the blue hell did Ashad survive? He was strapped to a bomb with that death particle inside him last we saw him. And him being decompressed. That's not how the TDE works. He's still has organic parts. He would be very dead.
Why did the one Dalek turn on the others? It says stuff about how they're not Kaled anymore but that ship sailed ages ago. And this might be an interesting plot line on its own but it's swept aside in short order.
Why were the Daleks even working with The Master. They didn't need him to carry out their plan.
Did nobody on the Dalek or Cyberman side realise their goals were incompatible? If the Daleks kill all humans then who are the Cybermen going to convert?
How did Graham know to go to that volcano?
That's not how regeneration works, forced or otherwise. It was more like The Master putting his mind in The Doctor's body but that's not how they described it.
When Jodie was begging for more time she should have asked for a better show runner while she was at it.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Oct 23, 2022 16:15:10 GMT -5
A WHOLE YEAR TO WAIT WHAT ARE WE CHIBNALL, A JOKE TO YOU!!! what will i do with this used tardis now? oh well, ebay it goes ... oh it's already sold i see ... to a mr tremos ... ENJOY YOUR TARDIS MY MAN!
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 23, 2022 16:26:51 GMT -5
If nothing else I really hope they put the Master on the shelf for a while. Gallifrey destruction or not, getting the Rani or even the Meddling Monk would to be the Doctor's antagonist would be a nice change of pace.
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Post by thechase on Oct 23, 2022 16:56:08 GMT -5
A WHOLE YEAR TO WAIT WHAT ARE WE CHIBNALL, A JOKE TO YOU!!! Chibnall has nothing to do with the next series, he's done, Russel T. Davies has taken over again
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Post by Kalmia on Oct 23, 2022 17:41:54 GMT -5
I think I'm going to have to watch that episode again to judge whether it was any good or not. Some of my not very organised thoughts are behind the spoiler cut. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I was so blinded by the cameos from all of the Doctors and the scenes between the Doctors and their companions to really be able to tell how good it was.
I did think Sacha Dhawan was great though. Just the right amount of scenery chewing when it was needed and he toned it down when that was needed too.
Always great to see Paul McGann as the Doctor. It might just be me, but I'd rather have seen him return and become Fourteen than Tennant. I loved Tennant at the time, but it feels like a step back. If you were going to go back to a Doctor, go with the one that never got a fair shake.
I am glad that they came up with a plot reason for Thirteen to go back instead of forward with the regeneration though. As soon as they managed to get the Master back to the Doctor, I knew the rumors of the regeneration into Tennant were going to be true.
I'm more interested in the specials now that they've shown Nucti Gatwa already. I'm just not really hyped by going back to a Doctor, even if it's Tennant. Multi-Doctor stuff, sure. But the lead Doctor? Not so much.
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Post by Legion on Oct 24, 2022 6:19:18 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}So Graham's line about the Doctor not explaining anything might well apply to Chibnall himself.
How did The Master survive? I know the old series had The Master survive without explanation more than once but you can't handwave it away anymore. A wizard did it
How the blue hell did Ashad survive? He was strapped to a bomb with that death particle inside him last we saw him. And him being decompressed. That's not how the TDE works. He's still has organic parts. He would be very dead. It was a clone. The Master, when released fron UNIT jail says he was glad he cloned him
Why did the one Dalek turn on the others? It says stuff about how they're not Kaled anymore but that ship sailed ages ago. And this might be an interesting plot line on its own but it's swept aside in short order. He was a Dalek wizard
Why were the Daleks even working with The Master. They didn't need him to carry out their plan. The Master has mind control powers again and used that on them?
Did nobody on the Dalek or Cyberman side realise their goals were incompatible? If the Daleks kill all humans then who are the Cybermen going to convert? The Cyber Masters didn't seem to care about themselves and were just following orders, and the Daleks just like killing
How did Graham know to go to that volcano? Message on the psychic paper
That's not how regeneration works, forced or otherwise. It was more like The Master putting his mind in The Doctor's body but that's not how they described it. No Prize answer, Master used the same tech as the Sisterhood of Karn, but melded with Timelord tech to make the regeneration so specific he literally was able to CAW himself
When Jodie was begging for more time she should have asked for a better show runner while she was at it. Amen
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 24, 2022 8:17:06 GMT -5
Even though the Masters plan made no sense on any level, I didn't care. This was a super fun rollercoaster, loved it.
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