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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 26, 2020 20:32:19 GMT -5
Khan talking about adding more households and growing the viewership. Not viewer ship spikes in certain demos as you mentioned above with Butcher&Blade or Starks/Darby. Those spikes are still the same people watching AEW and NXT and going back and forth. If you listen to Meltzers data on AEW it is they do really well per household. Meaning on the good weeks they get spikes in ratings. Majority of the people living in the house are watching the show. With wives watching with husband's and kids watching as well etc. The problem AEW is having is they aren't getting new households to watch the product. Now keep in mind 10 to 20 years ago people would turn on the tv. Then flip through the channels and find what they want to watch. Back then you could flip on USA and see Stone Cold beating up Vince and say oh what's this and keep watching. Or turn on TNT and see Hulk Hogan doing stuff with NBA stars etc and try out or keep watching the product. Well in 2020 people aren't flipping through the channels and giving opportunities to get hooked and watch something. They basically go to a tv guide and pick what show, game or movie or catch up on dvr or on-demand stuff they missed. So the channels aren't getting even being put on to attract new viewers. So what they could be doing awesome stuff and people still won't know. So if you read between what Khan said here and Omega said recently on Wrestling Observer radio. They are aware of the issue in hot growing new households or be given the chance to with how people view tv in 2020. These days you need to bring audience in and hook them before they watch it. So when you look at what Khan says above it can only mean two things. He says he wants to partner with his media partners. Which would do stuff like having Shaq wrestling. Or stuff like AEW wrestlers on bigger platform in media with talk shows, movies, sports, tv shows etc to get the word out. While I'm sorry but if Khan talking about big signings to add more households and grow the audience. Hes not talking about Ryback, ROH guys, or Eli Drake and guys like that. He's talking about names that would create a buzz going to AEW. Like Brock who has big WWE and UFC audience. Or CM Punk who was big WWE star 6 to 10 years ago. You could bring some wrestling fans back to see him wrestle again. Along with current WWE audience. Any other big draws like this that I'm not thinking of? I know AEW actually signing these guys or seen more in main stream media stuff. Seems little far far fetched right now. But Tony Khan clearly has big vision for AEW growth. With money and connections to do a lot. They are billionaire family for a reason. So I don't think we should write off anything big at the moment. It's clear in year two they wanna grow from 800 to 850 and .30s in 18 to 49 demo. My guess by end of 2021 they wanna be in millions viewer range and .40s in demos on average. Yeah..that Tony bit had me recalling what Kenny was saying on observer radio. This doesn’t sound like your typical wrestling sign-ups but something (or many things) else. Celebrities, maybe media partnerships, who knows. Got me curious. And a little concerned TBH lol..we’ll see. Yeah I think in 2020 AEW did a great job of building up the depth of the roster from where it was in 2019. IMO AEW roster is almost as good as Raw/Smackdown combined roster talent wise. So if they add another major star to that roster. Along with doing things to put the company in more main stream position. I think they are ready to hook new viewers and new eyes who give the product a chance. They just need to find away to get a lot more people to watch and try it. With Khan family probably going to spend millions of dollars to do it. It sounds like Tony plans here is what are going to make them stand out over what TNA ever was. Which got Spike TV to pay contracts for Hogan, Sting etc. But TNA never had the funds to market company and put it in main stream position. Even though they did try Z-list celebrates. AEW really can get top NBA or NFL stars on the show. Or get big name actors to promote their new show or movie. WWE use to do 5 to 10 years ago. It's really gonna be interesting what they do. As much as I can't see Brock or CM Punk show up in AEW. It's hard to think or any other ratings needle moving signings they can make. Rhonda Rousey I'm pretty sure is signed with WWE through Mania. While Sting/Angle are too old and not going to wrestle enough to create a buzz.
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 26, 2020 20:40:23 GMT -5
Guys in their late 40's and 50's and who can't really wrestle anymore are not long-term draws. They'll get curiosity ratings pops at most. Lesnar hasn't been a consistent draw on his own since his first comeback run in WWE and even if he could be that in AEW, he isn't worth the headache IMO. Same with Punk, though he isn't quite as toxic as Lesnar. I can't think of any better argument that Brock isn't a vital wrestling ratings draw than the past five years of Brock-dominated WWE television. He's not the main reason that ratings for Raw have plummeted, but if he was the savior draw someone who got booking like that would be, they wouldn't have bled their way down to where they are now. Brock is insane amounts of money for near-zero upward interest. Punk 42 and Brock 43. Both still have good years left. Especially the rest they had on their bodies. See Brock isn't going to bring new ratings to Raw. Because they have their audience set and aren't doing things to bring in new fans either. But let's keep in mind that Raw now is doing 750,000 to million more viewers a week then then Dynamite. That gap was even bigger when Brock was on there. You don't think the buzz of him going to AEW could bring in few 100,000 viewers? I'm not saying he's worth the money. But if Tony Khan got two shows on TNT doing over million viewers once Brock shows up. Well it's going to be worth the money in ad money and ppv buys most likely.
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 26, 2020 20:46:00 GMT -5
We don't need E List Celebrities who don't know the name of the promotion or the roster showing up. That ship kinda sailed when they had Jay and Silent Bob cameo right at the beginning of Dynamite AEW aren't doing dumb moves when it comes to celeb cameos, it feels like everyone who wants to be there or does stuff for them, actively wants to do it. Jericho's been a big gatekeeper for that Yeah E-list celeb are pointless you need major stars in their prime. Now Shaq not active or in his prime. But he's still famous as tv personality to make it worth him and Cody having a match. But when WCW or WWE did this stuff in 80s and 90s they did it with star athletes in their prime(Lawrence Taylor, Dennis Rodman, Karl Malone etc). Or major actors or movie stars. When TNA tried it was with Jersey Shore cast offs and nonsense. Even Mike Tyson not big enough name anymore. But if his fight does well this weekend and he gets tons of buzz. Well then that can change.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 26, 2020 20:59:48 GMT -5
I can't think of any better argument that Brock isn't a vital wrestling ratings draw than the past five years of Brock-dominated WWE television. He's not the main reason that ratings for Raw have plummeted, but if he was the savior draw someone who got booking like that would be, they wouldn't have bled their way down to where they are now. Brock is insane amounts of money for near-zero upward interest. Punk 42 and Brock 43. Both still have good years left. Especially the rest they had on their bodies. See Brock isn't going to bring new ratings to Raw. Because they have their audience set and aren't doing things to bring in new fans either. But let's keep in mind that Raw now is doing 750,000 to million more viewers a week then then Dynamite. That gap was even bigger when Brock was on there. You don't think the buzz of him going to AEW could bring in few 100,000 viewers? I'm not saying he's worth the money. But if Tony Khan got two shows on TNT doing over million viewers once Brock shows up. Well it's going to be worth the money in ad money and ppv buys most likely. The gap was even bigger before Brock was on there. WWE is a decades-old company that has bled away its audience, and Brock never really correlated too strongly with ratings going up. He's not a presence that pulled anybody in then, I don't think he'd do it now for AEW. WWE fans wouldn't tune in for advertised Brock appearances in decent numbers, let alone weekly for him. In WWE, a more established company where Brock was a known figure and given the rocket push to the moon, he didn't do very much. The idea he'd jolt up not just one but two shows to over a million viewers consistently just isn't there. There's no huge Brock Lesnar megafan contingent who will follow him everywhere. I don't think he's ever been that kind of wrestler.
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Post by moxfan1 on Nov 26, 2020 21:13:00 GMT -5
Punk 42 and Brock 43. Both still have good years left. Especially the rest they had on their bodies. See Brock isn't going to bring new ratings to Raw. Because they have their audience set and aren't doing things to bring in new fans either. But let's keep in mind that Raw now is doing 750,000 to million more viewers a week then then Dynamite. That gap was even bigger when Brock was on there. You don't think the buzz of him going to AEW could bring in few 100,000 viewers? I'm not saying he's worth the money. But if Tony Khan got two shows on TNT doing over million viewers once Brock shows up. Well it's going to be worth the money in ad money and ppv buys most likely. The gap was even bigger before Brock was on there. WWE is a decades-old company that has bled away its audience, and Brock never really correlated too strongly with ratings going up. He's not a presence that pulled anybody in then, I don't think he'd do it now for AEW. WWE fans wouldn't tune in for advertised Brock appearances in decent numbers, let alone weekly for him. In WWE, a more established company where Brock was a known figure and given the rocket push to the moon, he didn't do very much. The idea he'd jolt up not just one but two shows to over a million viewers consistently just isn't there. There's no huge Brock Lesnar megafan contingent who will follow him everywhere. I don't think he's ever been that kind of wrestler. Brock would create a buzz and push the ratings up to million no doubt. But I'm not sure they would stay there after say 2 months go by. So I kinda agree with you. But again Tony Khan adding another big star is only part of what he wants to do to grow audience over million viewers. There's no doubt big things are going to be happening soon and not everyone will like it at first.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 27, 2020 7:26:43 GMT -5
Punk 42 and Brock 43. Both still have good years left. Especially the rest they had on their bodies. See Brock isn't going to bring new ratings to Raw. Because they have their audience set and aren't doing things to bring in new fans either. But let's keep in mind that Raw now is doing 750,000 to million more viewers a week then then Dynamite. That gap was even bigger when Brock was on there. You don't think the buzz of him going to AEW could bring in few 100,000 viewers? I'm not saying he's worth the money. But if Tony Khan got two shows on TNT doing over million viewers once Brock shows up. Well it's going to be worth the money in ad money and ppv buys most likely. The gap was even bigger before Brock was on there. WWE is a decades-old company that has bled away its audience, and Brock never really correlated too strongly with ratings going up. He's not a presence that pulled anybody in then, I don't think he'd do it now for AEW. WWE fans wouldn't tune in for advertised Brock appearances in decent numbers, let alone weekly for him. In WWE, a more established company where Brock was a known figure and given the rocket push to the moon, he didn't do very much. The idea he'd jolt up not just one but two shows to over a million viewers consistently just isn't there. There's no huge Brock Lesnar megafan contingent who will follow him everywhere. I don't think he's ever been that kind of wrestler. Meltzer almost always argues that Brock is a big draw, along with Cena and he is a big numbers guy so I assume he has analyzed Brock’s effect. Could be that numbers would have been even lower if he wasn’t there. Plus like has been said, growing an audience that is at 800K is easier than spiking a show that gets 2 million viewers. Like if Brock became NXT champion, I wouldn’t doubt that show getting a million viewers consistently.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 28, 2020 0:42:48 GMT -5
I think Brock CAN be a draw, but that WWE wore out fans' interest in him. He's not a character with a lot of dimension.
In any case, Brock in AEW would not interest me much at all.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 28, 2020 0:55:30 GMT -5
I think Brock CAN be a draw, but that WWE wore out fans' interest in him. He's not a character with a lot of dimension. In any case, Brock in AEW would not interest me much at all. Brock would need to revamp himself for anyone to give a damn anymore. He basically became to much of a one trick pony and got criticism for becoming too lazy and lax in ring. AEW shouldn't sign Brock unless he wants to fully commit to the company and the expectations within it, and I don't see that happening. Never say never of course, but I don't see it, especially with how much money he'd probably ask for too.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 29, 2020 9:21:06 GMT -5
I think Brock CAN be a draw, but that WWE wore out fans' interest in him. He's not a character with a lot of dimension. In any case, Brock in AEW would not interest me much at all. Brock would need to revamp himself for anyone to give a damn anymore. He basically became to much of a one trick pony and got criticism for becoming too lazy and lax in ring. AEW shouldn't sign Brock unless he wants to fully commit to the company and the expectations within it, and I don't see that happening. Never say never of course, but I don't see it, especially with how much money he'd probably ask for too. I wouldn’t call Brock lazy in the ring, except maybe for when he was gearing for a UFC return and shot down all of Moxley’s ideas for their hardcore match. It was just the style of fighter they wanted him to be was dominating with suplex city. But he’s also one of the best sellers and it never felt to me like he was phoning anything in. He still brought his working boots and had bangers with many talents in recent years, including Rollins, Balor, Styles, Reigns, Joe, Goldberg and Bryan. I think Brock as is would be a very exciting watch in AEW and would draw hundreds of thousands of viewers and tens of thousands of PPV buys. Tons of fresh matchups and many with guys the size he likes to work with. Don’t think it will happen though, Vince would offer him the moon to keep him away.
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Post by timelimitdraw on Nov 29, 2020 15:10:47 GMT -5
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Post by romanstylesiii on Nov 29, 2020 15:34:54 GMT -5
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Post by markymark on Nov 29, 2020 19:55:54 GMT -5
Wonder if Tyson will return, he showed last night that he still got it and couldve murked Jones if he wanted.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 30, 2020 14:16:30 GMT -5
Wonder if Tyson will return, he showed last night that he still got it and couldve murked Jones if he wanted. Only if Cody convinces Snoop Dogg to come in as guest analyst.
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Post by eJm on Nov 30, 2020 14:21:51 GMT -5
As much as I've enjoyed a lot of Brock in WWE probably more than others...I can't really buy the idea that he's this mega draw now, especially considering recent history of ratings not making much difference with him involved rather than not. Like, there have been drops but it sort of more feels like a couple of thousand stuck around when he was there rather than the tens of thousands not that long ago.
I will say there might be a factor of him being somewhere new that might grab people but then it's hard to say whether that would stick for very long or whether that would be consistent as other factors would have to be determined.
But then I'm in the mindset of besides a Rock, Austin or even a Cena, I don't think there's anyone that would make a massively substantial difference to AEW in terms of ratings. You could argue Becky but then I put her sort of in the category of people whose drawing power is more in terms of people who already watch then getting "new" people to watch, whatever that would mean in 2020.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 30, 2020 16:53:44 GMT -5
As much as I've enjoyed a lot of Brock in WWE probably more than others...I can't really buy the idea that he's this mega draw now, especially considering recent history of ratings not making much difference with him involved rather than not. Like, there have been drops but it sort of more feels like a couple of thousand stuck around when he was there rather than the tens of thousands not that long ago. I will say there might be a factor of him being somewhere new that might grab people but then it's hard to say whether that would stick for very long or whether that would be consistent as other factors would have to be determined. But then I'm in the mindset of besides a Rock, Austin or even a Cena, I don't think there's anyone that would make a massively substantial difference to AEW in terms of ratings. You could argue Becky but then I put her sort of in the category of people whose drawing power is more in terms of people who already watch then getting "new" people to watch, whatever that would mean in 2020. I don’t know about his COVID-era appearances, but as recently as 2018-2019, Meltzer has said that Lesnar draws the best quarter-hour ratings for Raw by a good margin (along with Cena).
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Post by eJm on Nov 30, 2020 16:56:11 GMT -5
As much as I've enjoyed a lot of Brock in WWE probably more than others...I can't really buy the idea that he's this mega draw now, especially considering recent history of ratings not making much difference with him involved rather than not. Like, there have been drops but it sort of more feels like a couple of thousand stuck around when he was there rather than the tens of thousands not that long ago. I will say there might be a factor of him being somewhere new that might grab people but then it's hard to say whether that would stick for very long or whether that would be consistent as other factors would have to be determined. But then I'm in the mindset of besides a Rock, Austin or even a Cena, I don't think there's anyone that would make a massively substantial difference to AEW in terms of ratings. You could argue Becky but then I put her sort of in the category of people whose drawing power is more in terms of people who already watch then getting "new" people to watch, whatever that would mean in 2020. I don’t know about his COVID-era appearances, but as recently as 2018-2019, Meltzer has said that Lesnar draws the best quarter-hour ratings for Raw by a good margin (along with Cena). I mean, sure, but some of those margins weren't exactly massive compared to his earlier appearences. Like, I'm not saying they weren't big but from what I remember, they weren't exactly things that would signify "Man, this guy would be HUGE for another wrestling company". I will say Cena always had a big bump in his ratings. Which made the whole direction they had for him where they practically eroded his drawing power super goddamn weird.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 30, 2020 17:00:55 GMT -5
I don’t know about his COVID-era appearances, but as recently as 2018-2019, Meltzer has said that Lesnar draws the best quarter-hour ratings for Raw by a good margin (along with Cena). I mean, sure, but some of those margins weren't exactly massive compared to his earlier appearences. Like, I'm not saying they weren't big but from what I remember, they weren't exactly things that would signify "Man, this guy would be HUGE for another wrestling company". I will say Cena always had a big bump in his ratings. Which made the whole direction they had for him where they practically eroded his drawing power super goddamn weird. I think history is going to be very kind to Cena when we look back in terms of being a draw. He might be one of the last true WWE movers in terms of tickets/ratings for a long time.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 30, 2020 17:03:45 GMT -5
I don’t know about his COVID-era appearances, but as recently as 2018-2019, Meltzer has said that Lesnar draws the best quarter-hour ratings for Raw by a good margin (along with Cena). I mean, sure, but some of those margins weren't exactly massive compared to his earlier appearences. Like, I'm not saying they weren't big but from what I remember, they weren't exactly things that would signify "Man, this guy would be HUGE for another wrestling company". I will say Cena always had a big bump in his ratings. Which made the whole direction they had for him where they practically eroded his drawing power super goddamn weird. Significant for Raw’s ratings would likely mean super significant for AEW’s ratings when you consider the comparative sizes of the audiences and also add in the “new” factor of Lesnar joining. I could see a few hundred thousand increase in viewership. Of course there’s no way to really know yet what signing a big name from WWE would mean for AEW as they haven’t had a big name signing since Dynamite started.
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Post by eJm on Nov 30, 2020 17:04:58 GMT -5
I mean, sure, but some of those margins weren't exactly massive compared to his earlier appearences. Like, I'm not saying they weren't big but from what I remember, they weren't exactly things that would signify "Man, this guy would be HUGE for another wrestling company". I will say Cena always had a big bump in his ratings. Which made the whole direction they had for him where they practically eroded his drawing power super goddamn weird. Significant for Raw’s ratings would likely mean super significant for AEW’s ratings when you consider the comparative sizes of the audiences and also add in the “new” factor of Lesnar joining. I could see a few hundred thousand increase in viewership. Of course there’s no way to really know yet what signing a big name from WWE would mean for AEW as they haven’t had a big name signing since Dynamite started. I'll be honest, a few hundred thousand sounds really optimistic. Like, ridiculously so.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 30, 2020 17:08:17 GMT -5
Significant for Raw’s ratings would likely mean super significant for AEW’s ratings when you consider the comparative sizes of the audiences and also add in the “new” factor of Lesnar joining. I could see a few hundred thousand increase in viewership. Of course there’s no way to really know yet what signing a big name from WWE would mean for AEW as they haven’t had a big name signing since Dynamite started. I'll be honest, a few hundred thousand sounds really optimistic. Like, ridiculously so. I just see Lesnar as a big enough name to move the needle that much but maybe that’s being optimistic and it would be more like 100,000 on average. And I mean for his segments/matches of course and not the entire show to go up that much. We know there are enough people that actually know what AEW is as their debut show did what 1.4 million?
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