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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 12, 2020 10:54:23 GMT -5
Dang, guess we’ll be seeing more Shaq.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 12, 2020 11:28:22 GMT -5
Well now you see why they want Shaq, him just appearing for an interview popped their biggest number in awhile on TV. That synergy is working. As for the beginning of the show being the lower point, TNT needs a better lead in then the same like seven movies...
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Post by kimrey on Dec 12, 2020 20:10:34 GMT -5
youtu.be/JlMHWoIo35YBrandon Thurston did a stream with Chris Harrington from AEW about the minute by minute numbers from this week’s show. It’s all really interesting stuff, they break it down and discuss what everything means to AEW. Plus it’s cool to see how segments actually did outside of the quarter hour averages. For example the last part of the OC/MJF match hit 1.1 million and did over 600K in the demo. Brandon’s audio comes in at about 16 minutes.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 15, 2020 16:07:15 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 15, 2020 16:15:28 GMT -5
Aaannddd this is the part of the ratings talk that interests me. Ultimately, the thing I care about is: will the wrestling I like keep being around? The answer right now is emphatically yes, without any complications. That means I can rest easy. But the part that's interesting...that AEW is in a dead heat with WWE among people under 50. Like, that's bonkers. That's completely beyond anything I would have expected. That's a level of cultural relevance that I just did not think a new wrestling company would be able to achieve in a year, but the right backing and the right presentation is apparently enough given WWE's waning.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2020 16:19:36 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 15, 2020 16:32:36 GMT -5
That's incredible, AEW's viewership number might even out a bit going into the next few weeks, but it doesn't matter if that demo keeps climbing. Not bad for a Pissant Company's first year of life huh?
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Post by markymark on Dec 15, 2020 16:39:41 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 15, 2020 16:42:21 GMT -5
Well, WWE did not turn it around, they fell off a cliff, and frankly AEW has been ahead of schedule with their numbers seemingly from the jump. The pandemic slowed them down a bit but ever since Full Gear they feel like they're really back at full strength or damn near close to it, and the numbers are reflecting it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 15, 2020 16:44:10 GMT -5
Little side note it's really funny to see the Anti-AEW trolls get shut down for once with this news. How they're crying "BUT THE MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL GAME WAS COMPETITION"!. Like NXT isn't competition for AEW every week, on top of the News Channels, Playoff Games, and more they've had to deal with throughout weeks and have powered through it all. That MNF game didn't even get real good till the 4th quarter, that show opened flat and got worse.
Effectively, WWE can hold their L, they've done nothing to entice viewers to stay on Monday or Wednesday, and if it wasn't for FOX, Smackdown would probably not be much better.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 15, 2020 17:21:29 GMT -5
WWE had a decades-long headstart and legacy, on top of millions of habitual viewers. AEW's rise and their ability to build is impressive. Raw vs. AEW is inherently not a fair comparison to make in any way because of how firmly entrenched it is, so the idea that even with MNF as interference or whatever factor you want to talk about, AEW pulled off a demo win, is super impressive. Even if you take football as a valid reason why WWE's demo was so low, the idea WWE does not have the culture cache to keep demo viewers engaged over football to the point that a year-old upstart show can take them on is insanity.
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Post by moxfan1 on Dec 15, 2020 23:48:08 GMT -5
Well, WWE did not turn it around, they fell off a cliff, and frankly AEW has been ahead of schedule with their numbers seemingly from the jump. The pandemic slowed them down a bit but ever since Full Gear they feel like they're really back at full strength or damn near close to it, and the numbers are reflecting it. It's really easy to see why WWE is declining the last few years. They just aren't pushing new and fresh talent to the main event scene. The only guy to really debut or redebut with company and pushed to top of the card since 2017 is Drew McIntyre. Last few years it's always same guys in title scene. Reigns, Braun, Bray, Rollins, Brock, AJ, Daniel Bryan, Kevin Owens, Orton, Goldberg for a match or guy like Ziggler or Corbin who you know going in as zero chance to win. Drew was nice fresh face to title scene this year. But when opponents are same old guys. Well it's not really that interesting. Yes I know Jey Uso got title match. But again we knew he had zero chance of winning. With it all being way to get Reigns new heel character over. Now look back how things were before that. In late 2012 Shield debuted. By 2015 all three guys were in title picture and all were world champs by 2016. You also had new characters like Bray Wyatt debut in 2013, Kevin Owens in 2015, Braun in 2015, AJ Styles 2016, Finn Balor 2016 and Jinder Mahal redebut in 2016. With all of them winning world title. They even had guys like Ryback and Rusev who got monster pushed before Vince soured on them once they got into main event scene. Just think in Hell in the Cell 2014. They had Dean Ambrose vs Seth Rollins main event ppv over John Cena vs Randy Orton match. That is exactly how you build new stars and make them feel important. These days whenever new NXT guy comes up Vince loses interest quick. Like he has Andrade, Aleister Black, Ricochet, Riddle, Retribution and looks like Keith Lee as well. Or when new they do allow new fresh face to title scene in Kofi Kingston win title. As soon as his reign over with he goes back to doing what he did before. Making his title reign forgettable and not important. So it's easy to see why their show is coming off as boring. Yes their storylines, comedy and bad booking hurts. But they had that stuff on and off for years. Just not there's not exciting new fresh things. So people are getting bored. Especially when you got AEW with so many matches and feuds feeling fresh and original. Since Dynamite started you had Cody/Jericho, Mox/Jericho, Mox/Hager, Mox/Brodie Lee, Mox/Cage, Mox/MJF, Mox/Archer, Mox/Kingston and Mox/Omega. Those are all very fresh match ups that people never saw in title feuds. Now you got AEW champ doing exciting stuff showing up on other company shows. While at TLC Reigns/Owens fighting for title just like they did in December 2016 and Orton/Bray are feuding just like they did at Mania 2017.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 16, 2020 7:33:22 GMT -5
Little side note it's really funny to see the Anti-AEW trolls get shut down for once with this news. How they're crying "BUT THE MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL GAME WAS COMPETITION"!. Like NXT isn't competition for AEW every week, on top of the News Channels, Playoff Games, and more they've had to deal with throughout weeks and have powered through it all. That MNF game didn't even get real good till the 4th quarter, that show opened flat and got worse. Effectively, WWE can hold their L, they've done nothing to entice viewers to stay on Monday or Wednesday, and if it wasn't for FOX, Smackdown would probably not be much better. I mean, I posted about the MNF game’s demo number this week. Does that make someone an anti-AEW troll? Little harsh.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 16, 2020 8:37:41 GMT -5
Little side note it's really funny to see the Anti-AEW trolls get shut down for once with this news. How they're crying "BUT THE MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL GAME WAS COMPETITION"!. Like NXT isn't competition for AEW every week, on top of the News Channels, Playoff Games, and more they've had to deal with throughout weeks and have powered through it all. That MNF game didn't even get real good till the 4th quarter, that show opened flat and got worse. Effectively, WWE can hold their L, they've done nothing to entice viewers to stay on Monday or Wednesday, and if it wasn't for FOX, Smackdown would probably not be much better. I mean, I posted about the MNF game’s demo number this week. Does that make someone an anti-AEW troll? Little harsh. I was more talking about the people on the likes of the Alvarez tweet who are pretty known trolls and shit on AEW any chance they get, no one here is even close to that
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Post by moxfan1 on Dec 16, 2020 9:08:55 GMT -5
Little side note it's really funny to see the Anti-AEW trolls get shut down for once with this news. How they're crying "BUT THE MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL GAME WAS COMPETITION"!. Like NXT isn't competition for AEW every week, on top of the News Channels, Playoff Games, and more they've had to deal with throughout weeks and have powered through it all. That MNF game didn't even get real good till the 4th quarter, that show opened flat and got worse. Effectively, WWE can hold their L, they've done nothing to entice viewers to stay on Monday or Wednesday, and if it wasn't for FOX, Smackdown would probably not be much better. I mean, I posted about the MNF game’s demo number this week. Does that make someone an anti-AEW troll? Little harsh. We don't know if they are anti-aew. But they are clearly making excuse for WWE. When MNF did same rating it did a week ago. Not to mention Raw has been going up against football for 27 years. Bringing up anything about football game. Instead of acknowledging that theres a problem with how WWE booking Raw. Well they come off as WWE fanboy.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 16, 2020 9:25:47 GMT -5
As a wrestling show, I'd rather be up against a football game then another wrestling show. Using high MNF ratings is a crutch.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 16, 2020 9:30:07 GMT -5
I don't follow ratings a whole lot, but damn that's a big deal I'm guessing.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 16, 2020 10:33:30 GMT -5
I mean, I posted about the MNF game’s demo number this week. Does that make someone an anti-AEW troll? Little harsh. We don't know if they are anti-aew. But they are clearly making excuse for WWE. When MNF did same rating it did a week ago. Not to mention Raw has been going up against football for 27 years. Bringing up anything about football game. Instead of acknowledging that theres a problem with how WWE booking Raw. Well they come off as WWE fanboy. I’m not sure why pointing out the high ratings of football makes someone a fanboy but pointing out NXT and AEW doing poorly against say the election or basketball gameS (which get lower ratings than MNF) is not an issue? And nice way to indirectly call me a WWE fanboy by saying “they” even though you’re replying to my post.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 16, 2020 10:34:52 GMT -5
I mean, I posted about the MNF game’s demo number this week. Does that make someone an anti-AEW troll? Little harsh. I was more talking about the people on the likes of the Alvarez tweet who are pretty known trolls and shit on AEW any chance they get, no one here is even close to that I wouldn’t take Twitter comments too seriously. That’s one step up (if that) from YouTube comments.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 16, 2020 11:18:16 GMT -5
We don't know if they are anti-aew. But they are clearly making excuse for WWE. When MNF did same rating it did a week ago. Not to mention Raw has been going up against football for 27 years. Bringing up anything about football game. Instead of acknowledging that theres a problem with how WWE booking Raw. Well they come off as WWE fanboy. I’m not sure why pointing out the high ratings of football makes someone a fanboy but pointing out NXT and AEW doing poorly against say the election or basketball gameS (which get lower ratings than MNF) is not an issue? Do you really think Raw did an all time low rating because of a Baltimore Ravens - Cleveland Browns mid season game? Lamar Jackson and possible playoff implications between two smaller market teams led to Raw getting historically bad ratings? I don't think you're a troll Polarbear, but there is a huge anti-AEW troll community who always have an excuse for why WWE does poorly, and why AEW isn't really doing all that well. And using MNF to excuse why Raw did historically bad, and then say "Well Thatcher isn't good for ratings" to explain why AEW is beating NXT by 250%, is just missing the point.
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