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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 29, 2023 13:29:05 GMT -5
When you have a budget as big as TLM did, you need a strong international number because the domestic market just can't support something that big unless it's a massive hit. And TLM did good here, but not good enough to compensate for it bombing in the largest movie market in the world. Like China is the biggest reason why Avatar 2 went from "probably underwhelming" to "third highest grossing movie of all time." That being said, due to the Chinese government's regulations to boost their domestic film market international releases are strictly limited and get as little as 20% of the box office in China, so you almost need Avatar 2 numbers to really justify releasing your $150-200 million movie there.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 29, 2023 14:50:10 GMT -5
What really hurt the movie internationally is that the Chinese box office numbers were dreadful. Disney can't be relying on China anymore to boost the box office. China is batoning down the hatches for another wave of Covid, so that market is going to be ass for all films for the near future.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on May 31, 2023 3:24:22 GMT -5
Considering the ethnic diversity of Ariel and all her sisters, safe to say Triton certainly got around.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 31, 2023 12:32:15 GMT -5
Considering the ethnic diversity of Ariel and all her sisters, safe to say Triton certainly got around. Triton is the Big Daddy Dudley of the Disneyverse.
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Post by darbus alan on May 31, 2023 13:24:32 GMT -5
Considering the ethnic diversity of Ariel and all her sisters, safe to say Triton certainly got around. He is modeled after a Greek God. And those Olympians were horny as f***. Poseidon got around almost as much as Zeus!
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 31, 2023 14:20:02 GMT -5
Considering the ethnic diversity of Ariel and all her sisters, safe to say Triton certainly got around. He is modeled after a Greek God. And those Olympians were horny as f***. Poseidon got around almost as much as Zeus! I prefer my above Dudley theory...
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jun 1, 2023 7:10:38 GMT -5
Cut scene:
Sebastian: “I wouldn’t mess with King Triton, mon. He was the real killer back in da day. They used to call him ‘Chigurh.”
Scuttle: “‘Sugar?’”
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Post by chrom on Jun 4, 2023 14:40:36 GMT -5
Did better than expected it's second weekend as it's grossed 326 million. Looks like it may be a profit for Disney.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jun 4, 2023 18:15:03 GMT -5
There’re a lot of people doing some mental gymnastics to say this movie has been a success. Others are going to the ol’ reliable “nAziS,” ad hominem to cope with an underwhelming box office.
The budget for the film is said to be $250 million, which means Disney spent at least $250 million (possibly more) in advertising for this movie. That means the movie needs at make at least $500 million to break even (it’s two week total looks to be $325 million). A company like Disney (that is coming off a string of failures) wouldn’t be happy with just “making money,” and they need this to be a massive success. There was a time wren I’d have said this would’ve easily hit the $1 billion mark, but the good will Disney built with its audience has eroded to the point that even long time fans who are desperate for nostalgia have abandoned the company.
I did get a laugh out of the people claiming racism is the reason this film has underperformed, considering Into the Spiderverse 2, a film full of non white characters, is doing amazingly and getting great reviews. Rather than claim “nAziS,” are ruining this movie, just accept it wasn’t wanted and people are over the live action Disney remakes.
I look forward the laughing emoji replies.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 4, 2023 18:38:57 GMT -5
The budget for the film is said to be $250 million, which means Disney spent at least $250 million (possibly more) in advertising for this movie. That means the movie needs at make at least $500 million to break even (it’s two week total looks to be $325 million). Reported break-even is $560 million
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jun 4, 2023 19:23:23 GMT -5
The budget for the film is said to be $250 million, which means Disney spent at least $250 million (possibly more) in advertising for this movie. That means the movie needs at make at least $500 million to break even (it’s two week total looks to be $325 million). Reported break-even is $560 million That’s even higher than I thought it would be to break even. As I said in my post: breaking even or making some money isn’t a success for a Disney movie that has had major build up (social and political); this film needed to be massive (which it won’t be). It might not sound like it, but I am a Disney fan. My wife and I went to Disney World on our honeymoon (admittedly, it was our second choice) and we spent the weekend watching The Princess and the Frog, Luca, Encanto, Coco and Zooptopia with our daughter, but this movie failing or being very underwhelming could be great and cause the right changes for the company (doubtful). Like the other live action remakes (Cinderella and the Jungle Book being exceptions), The Little Mermaid was soundless (I have seen the movie) and was more interesting in making “corrections,” for “modern audiences.” The casting of Halle Bailey was definitely done with social and political motivations, although we will be gaslit into thinking otherwise. Her singing was great, but her acting isn’t there and the world knowing what Ariel looks like doesn’t help (cue the “she’s a fictional character arguments). What’s sad is a flop like this with such big backlash could definitely hurt her acting career.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jun 4, 2023 19:40:08 GMT -5
Cut scene: Sebastian: “I wouldn’t mess with King Triton, mon. He was the real killer back in da day. They used to call him ‘Chigurh.” Scuttle: “‘Sugar?’” I know that’s a joke, but King Triton was ruined in this movie. In the animated classic, we saw Triton as a father who loved his daughter and wanted what was best for her. In the remake, he comes off bad. A great example is the scene where he destroys Ariel’s cave. In the animated version, you can see Triton is pained to destroy Ariel’s collection because he knows that he is hurting her, despite doing what he sees as a last resort to keep her safe. As he leaves, you can see that he felt shame for what he did. In the live action version, he was just an angry guy who didn’t understand his daughter. The ending of the movie, which was changed so Ariel could be the hero, also took away from King Triton’s character development. Wgats funny is the animated ending would’ve done great with how live action King Triton is portrayed. Eric risking his life to save Ariel was major in King Triton learning he was wrong about humans being dangerous and him changing his mind. That would’ve fit great here, since he believed humans are evil for killing his wife. Seeing a human save his daughter would’ve had him overcome this view. Instead, Ariel saved the day and he changed her back to a human because she was sad.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 5, 2023 6:41:01 GMT -5
As far as live action remakes, this is probably about their best one. Songs were good. Acting good. Ursula was much better than I anticipated.
There's a certain sort of whimsy and charm the live action doesn't accomplish on that animation did. But that's a minor nitpick.
Good movie overall. It was pretty shallow but it's not like I was walking into "Disney's The Little Mermaid" expecting Citizen Kane or Troll 2.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 10, 2023 10:18:55 GMT -5
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jun 10, 2023 17:41:15 GMT -5
I did get a laugh out of the people claiming racism is the reason this film has underperformed, considering Into the Spiderverse 2, a film full of non white characters, is doing amazingly and getting great reviews. Rather than claim “nAziS,” are ruining this movie, just accept it wasn’t wanted and people are over the live action Disney remakes. Can't it be two things?
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Post by thechase on Jun 13, 2023 12:58:04 GMT -5
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 13, 2023 14:18:49 GMT -5
Wonder if they try to multiverse this cartoon and have her meet 1989 Ariel?
Upside would be an "endorsement," yes, there's certain people who would expect a cartoon character to tell them it's all right for her to pass the torch. And they do need to have the point sledgehammered home that both Ariels can exist in the Disney library.
Downside would be taking away continuing to get 2023 Ariel over on her own merit. Thusly I doubt the above scenario.
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Post by chrom on Jun 13, 2023 14:22:28 GMT -5
Wonder if they try to multiverse this cartoon and have her meet 1989 Ariel? Upside would be an "endorsement," yes, there's certain people who would expect a cartoon character to tell them it's all right for her to pass the torch. And they do need to have the point sledgehammered home that both Ariels can exist in the Disney library. Downside would be taking away continuing to get 2023 Ariel over on her own merit. Thusly I doubt the above scenario. They kinda did that in the movie with Jodi Benson's cameo.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 13, 2023 14:23:18 GMT -5
Wonder if they try to multiverse this cartoon and have her meet 1989 Ariel? Upside would be an "endorsement," yes, there's certain people who would expect a cartoon character to tell them it's all right for her to pass the torch. And they do need to have the point sledgehammered home that both Ariels can exist in the Disney library. Downside would be taking away continuing to get 2023 Ariel over on her own merit. Thusly I doubt the above scenario. They kinda did that in the movie with Jodi Benson's cameo. Oh? Do tell (with spoilers if needed).
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Post by chrom on Jun 13, 2023 14:27:37 GMT -5
They kinda did that in the movie with Jodi Benson's cameo. Oh? Do tell (with spoilers if needed). {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Ariel is at a marketplace on the surface and meets Jodi who is playing a vendor who offers her a fork and Ariel uses it to comb her hair.
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