RIP Jon “Mr. Brodie Lee/Luke Harper” Huber (1979-2020)

[ASYLUMHAUSEN]

Dec 28, 2020 2:28:47 GMT -5 Paco said:

Dec 27, 2020 22:47:19 GMT -5 Larryhausen said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJU4zLFpsUF

That little kid BETTER win a match in that gear.

Ahhh man....

I was explaining to someone last night who doesn’t watch AEW, but loves Bray/The Wyatt Family, about the Dynamic of Dark Order and especially Brodie/Silver.

I compared it to JD & Dr Cox.

But this...oh man this works too.

And now I’m sad all over again.

[WR91]

This wrestling death hit me harder than most. What a star. What a man. What a human being. What a legend. RIP Brodie.

[HMARK Center]

I think a big part of this that has both a harsh sting and a silver lining to it is how Brodie is a rare case of a wrestler dying young, but not having a "Dark Side of the Ring" worthy story behind what happened to him. Instead, he was a big-hearted guy that people genuinely loved, he was here one day, and then gone the next.

That hurts: young deaths in wrestling are never, ever easy, but at least in cases where there are things like drugs involved you can say "This is tragic, but we understand what caused it to happen", or in other stories like in-ring accidents, car crashes during long drives, or backstage drama like what happened to Bruiser Brody, we can point to the wrestling industry itself and the inherent problems it's built up over the years that allow stuff like that to happen.

But this? Jesus, just out of nowhere. 2020 threw in the tragedies of Shad and Hana Kimura, but again at least with Shad we can point to "these things can happen in the ocean, and Shad was a hero for making sure his son was safe, first", and with Hana there's hope that her death can lead at least some people to reconsider the relationship they have with reality TV, TV personalities, and "accessible" celebrities in a social media age, etc. The three deaths have a parallel in that they were all WAY too young and their deaths were just so seemingly out of nowhere, not the kind of things where anyone can pin a personal failing on them or point to a problem within the wrestling industry, but again with Brodie's you just can't point to anything and say "there's a lesson here", it just...happened.

But at least in the outpouring, I hope Big E's last tweet I saw lands strongest for people: that he's taking the time to reminisce with friends and to say "I love you" to them, and that it's good for us to follow Brodie's lead and tell that to the people we care about, and to be genuine about it.

[msc]

Dec 28, 2020 9:04:56 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

I think a big part of this that has both a harsh sting and a silver lining to it is how Brodie is a rare case of a wrestler dying young, but not having a "Dark Side of the Ring" worthy story behind what happened to him. Instead, he was a big-hearted guy that people genuinely loved, he was here one day, and then gone the next.

That hurts: young deaths in wrestling are never, ever easy, but at least in cases where there are things like drugs involved you can say "This is tragic, but at least we know what caused it to happen", or in other stories like in-ring accidents, car crashes during long drives, or backstage drama like what happened to Bruiser Brody, we can point to the wrestling industry itself and the inherent problems it's built up over the years that allow stuff like that to happen.

But this? Jesus, just out of nowhere. 2020 threw in the tragedies of Shad and Hana Kimura, but again at least with Shad we can point to "these things can happen in the ocean, and Shad was a hero for making sure his son was safe, first", and with Hana there's hope that her death can lead at least some people to reconsider the relationship they have with reality TV, TV personalities, and "accessible" celebrities in a social media age, etc. The three deaths have a parallel in that they were all WAY too young and their deaths were just so seemingly out of nowhere, not the kind of things where anyone can pin a personal failing on them or point to a problem within the wrestling industry, but again with Brodie's you just can't point to anything and say "there's a lesson here", it just...happened.

But at least in the outpouring, I hope Big E's last tweet I saw lands strongest for people: that he's taking the time to reminisce with friends and to say "I love you" to them, and that it's good for us to follow Brodie's lead and tell that to the people we care about, and to be genuine about it.

I think that's why there's a strong link with Owen's death. Most wrestling deaths we can point to the warning signs - either they were of a certain age, or a certain addiction, or so on. Even with Eddie if you look back at his last 6 months, he looks horrifically unwell. (I remember one of the summer 2005 PPVs, Mum even pointed this out and we both forgot until he died months later.) But absolutely no one could have foreseen straight edge teetotal family man Owen dying so young.

And its the same here because when I got the text message, it showed the second of two first which was "Tragedy for AEW. RIP" and my mind immediately assumed Jake (because he is seriousy ill) then maybe Matt or Jericho due to former demons. It being Brodie was such a deep breath WTF moment. He was a family man with no known vices at a young age who had just shown the cardio to go 20 mins with Cody Rhodes... 2 months ago. There was no real warning sign.

In a world where half the stuff makes no sense at times, it makes no sense to our, or my mind, how this would happen. It also feels unfair that in a life with some right scummy individuals who seem to be immortal at times, universally admired and respected family first wrestlers like Shad Gaspard and Brodie Lee are just snatched out of life so callously and easily.

[Dang!]

Dec 28, 2020 9:18:55 GMT -5 msc said:

Dec 28, 2020 9:04:56 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

I think a big part of this that has both a harsh sting and a silver lining to it is how Brodie is a rare case of a wrestler dying young, but not having a "Dark Side of the Ring" worthy story behind what happened to him. Instead, he was a big-hearted guy that people genuinely loved, he was here one day, and then gone the next.

That hurts: young deaths in wrestling are never, ever easy, but at least in cases where there are things like drugs involved you can say "This is tragic, but at least we know what caused it to happen", or in other stories like in-ring accidents, car crashes during long drives, or backstage drama like what happened to Bruiser Brody, we can point to the wrestling industry itself and the inherent problems it's built up over the years that allow stuff like that to happen.

But this? Jesus, just out of nowhere. 2020 threw in the tragedies of Shad and Hana Kimura, but again at least with Shad we can point to "these things can happen in the ocean, and Shad was a hero for making sure his son was safe, first", and with Hana there's hope that her death can lead at least some people to reconsider the relationship they have with reality TV, TV personalities, and "accessible" celebrities in a social media age, etc. The three deaths have a parallel in that they were all WAY too young and their deaths were just so seemingly out of nowhere, not the kind of things where anyone can pin a personal failing on them or point to a problem within the wrestling industry, but again with Brodie's you just can't point to anything and say "there's a lesson here", it just...happened.

But at least in the outpouring, I hope Big E's last tweet I saw lands strongest for people: that he's taking the time to reminisce with friends and to say "I love you" to them, and that it's good for us to follow Brodie's lead and tell that to the people we care about, and to be genuine about it.

I think that's why there's a strong link with Owen's death. Most wrestling deaths we can point to the warning signs - either they were of a certain age, or a certain addiction, or so on. Even with Eddie if you look back at his last 6 months, he looks horrifically unwell. (I remember one of the summer 2005 PPVs, Mum even pointed this out and we both forgot until he died months later.) But absolutely no one could have foreseen straight edge teetotal family man Owen dying so young.

And its the same here because when I got the text message, it showed the second of two first which was "Tragedy for AEW. RIP" and my mind immediately assumed Jake (because he is seriousy ill) then maybe Matt or Jericho due to former demons. It being Brodie was such a deep breath WTF moment. He was a family man with no known vices at a young age who had just shown the cardio to go 20 mins with Cody Rhodes... 2 months ago. There was no real warning sign.

In a world where half the stuff makes no sense at times, it makes no sense to our, or my mind, how this would happen. It also feels unfair that in a life with some right scummy individuals who seem to be immortal at times, universally admired and respected family first wrestlers like Shad Gaspard and Brodie Lee are just snatched out of life so callously and easily.

I agree about the shock value of this. Jake would have been sad, but by far not as shocking. The only "warning sign" might have been his absence in hindsight. I was indeed wondering why he wasn't in any of the recent Dark Order skits.

[Sparvid]

Dec 28, 2020 7:45:05 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

According to Meltzer, Brodie was not sick until he took his break from the Dog Collar Match. Writing him out a few weeks was always the plan, but then he said he took a ride on his Peloton Bicycle and he said he was so tired he quit, the scary thing is, he references this on his last AEW Unrestricted Podcast, but used it to sell the Dog Collar Match beating in the moment.

So whatever happened to Brodie, it was very quick, and it got bad fast. Meltzer basically just said "His lungs stopped working", and that's horrible... just out of nowhere, I really wonder what could take someone out at peak physical condition like that.

One thing I find weird (not in a conspiracy theory way) is that they did that thing at AEW with Brodie's kid a week earlier. So was he still in a "relatively not too bad" condition by then? Since I doubt that the family would be okay with going for a visit to the TV taping (or AEW inviting them for that matter) if the doctors thought that he only had days left by then.

[Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast]

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Dec 28, 2020 9:33:22 GMT -5 Sparvid said:

Dec 28, 2020 7:45:05 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

According to Meltzer, Brodie was not sick until he took his break from the Dog Collar Match. Writing him out a few weeks was always the plan, but then he said he took a ride on his Peloton Bicycle and he said he was so tired he quit, the scary thing is, he references this on his last AEW Unrestricted Podcast, but used it to sell the Dog Collar Match beating in the moment.

So whatever happened to Brodie, it was very quick, and it got bad fast. Meltzer basically just said "His lungs stopped working", and that's horrible... just out of nowhere, I really wonder what could take someone out at peak physical condition like that.

One thing I find weird (not in a conspiracy theory way) is that they did that thing at AEW with Brodie's kid a week earlier. So was he still in a "relatively not too bad" condition by then? Since I doubt that the family would be okay with going for a visit to the TV taping (or AEW inviting them for that matter) if the doctors thought that he only had days left by then.

Brodie lived two more weeks, I assume it wasn't as harrowing as it got but wasn't great. I can't speculate too hard because I truly don't know how bad Brodie was timeframe wise, but I imagine the Brodie Jr. thing was done to give him a worthwhile Christmas Present and fun moment he can remember forever as a distraction from the drama going on with his Dad.

I can say with some experience, my Dad died due to ultimately lung failure. He had issues with breathing for a bit before this among other things, being on oxygen, etc., but even with all that, I wanna say his condition got worse a month before he died, but we had been in and out of the hospital so much over years it just felt like a cycle. Him getting to "He's going to die" levels of clarity didn't happen till I wanna say 24 hours or less until it actually happened, and this was with someone with a ton of pre-existing health conditions. So... I can't say for certainty that this happened with Brodie, but I have to imagine death wasn't on the table for anyone until very close to when he died. 

[Dub H]

Dec 28, 2020 9:33:22 GMT -5 Sparvid said:

Dec 28, 2020 7:45:05 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

According to Meltzer, Brodie was not sick until he took his break from the Dog Collar Match. Writing him out a few weeks was always the plan, but then he said he took a ride on his Peloton Bicycle and he said he was so tired he quit, the scary thing is, he references this on his last AEW Unrestricted Podcast, but used it to sell the Dog Collar Match beating in the moment.

So whatever happened to Brodie, it was very quick, and it got bad fast. Meltzer basically just said "His lungs stopped working", and that's horrible... just out of nowhere, I really wonder what could take someone out at peak physical condition like that.

One thing I find weird (not in a conspiracy theory way) is that they did that thing at AEW with Brodie's kid a week earlier. So was he still in a "relatively not too bad" condition by then? Since I doubt that the family would be okay with going for a visit to the TV taping (or AEW inviting them for that matter) if the doctors thought that he only had days left by then.

I assume at that point the doctors told then he was already beyond salvation or at very least very unlikely to recover and it was a last wish for Brodie

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Dec 28, 2020 9:33:22 GMT -5 Sparvid said:

Dec 28, 2020 7:45:05 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

According to Meltzer, Brodie was not sick until he took his break from the Dog Collar Match. Writing him out a few weeks was always the plan, but then he said he took a ride on his Peloton Bicycle and he said he was so tired he quit, the scary thing is, he references this on his last AEW Unrestricted Podcast, but used it to sell the Dog Collar Match beating in the moment.

So whatever happened to Brodie, it was very quick, and it got bad fast. Meltzer basically just said "His lungs stopped working", and that's horrible... just out of nowhere, I really wonder what could take someone out at peak physical condition like that.

One thing I find weird (not in a conspiracy theory way) is that they did that thing at AEW with Brodie's kid a week earlier. So was he still in a "relatively not too bad" condition by then? Since I doubt that the family would be okay with going for a visit to the TV taping (or AEW inviting them for that matter) if the doctors thought that he only had days left by then.

Some of the insiders basically heard out a few weeks ago that he was sick and it was serious but didn't let the information out obviously respecting the family privacy

Assumption is over the last week they basically told the family to get their affairs in order and AEW did that for his family to get their minds off what was going to be a sad reality soon 

[Famous Rocking Chimes]

Bryan Alvarez mentioned on his show that he received a text from a different source (who also knew nothing about the severity of Brodie’s condition) at the end of October that Brodie was in intensive care and it was serious.

He heard nothing about it since then so assumed everything was alright. The only time he raised an eyebrow at what was going on was when they filmed the angle with Brodie Jr and Kenny Omega last week. Even then he was still stunned to hear that he had passed away.

[markymark]

[Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast]

Mick Foley has also added his shirt proceeds from PWTees to Huber's family

[Celexa Bliss]

Dec 28, 2020 9:26:48 GMT -5 Dang! said:

Dec 28, 2020 9:18:55 GMT -5 msc said:

I think that's why there's a strong link with Owen's death. Most wrestling deaths we can point to the warning signs - either they were of a certain age, or a certain addiction, or so on. Even with Eddie if you look back at his last 6 months, he looks horrifically unwell. (I remember one of the summer 2005 PPVs, Mum even pointed this out and we both forgot until he died months later.) But absolutely no one could have foreseen straight edge teetotal family man Owen dying so young.

And its the same here because when I got the text message, it showed the second of two first which was "Tragedy for AEW. RIP" and my mind immediately assumed Jake (because he is seriousy ill) then maybe Matt or Jericho due to former demons. It being Brodie was such a deep breath WTF moment. He was a family man with no known vices at a young age who had just shown the cardio to go 20 mins with Cody Rhodes... 2 months ago. There was no real warning sign.

In a world where half the stuff makes no sense at times, it makes no sense to our, or my mind, how this would happen. It also feels unfair that in a life with some right scummy individuals who seem to be immortal at times, universally admired and respected family first wrestlers like Shad Gaspard and Brodie Lee are just snatched out of life so callously and easily.

I agree about the shock value of this. Jake would have been sad, but by far not as shocking. The only "warning sign" might have been his absence in hindsight. I was indeed wondering why he wasn't in any of the recent Dark Order skits.

Even then, it didn't really strike me as too odd. He was taking time off to heal and be with his kids, why would he show up at Dailey's just to tape a two or three minute bit? Plus, I figured it was eventually building to a big surprise return, where we have the Dark Order with Hangman as a happy unit, then right at the end, Brodie would bust in. It's sad we will never get to see that now, as I can even see the scene in my head. But as far as his absence being a "sign", for me at least, it wasn't.

[FHgrad99]

If you look at AEW's Instagram stories. they've been posting photos of Brodie Lee that people from AEW and outside of AEW have posted on their Instagram. They've posted photos from Chris Jericho, Randy Orton, Ryback, Titus O'Neill, Otis and others.

[WoodStoner1]

Dec 27, 2020 14:19:24 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Dec 27, 2020 12:38:12 GMT -5 WoodStoner1 said:

But Sadly I don't see that happening, like how Hana's death didn't stop bullies....

Those thinga dont happen over night but I believe in leading by example ,even if it is a few peoppe you can have a positive impact

I'm still waiting. That is all.

[Dub H]

I hope Brodie knew how loved he was as he passed away.

Love reading those Dark Order tidbits,they really were like a family beyond onscreen. Probably realizing their Bte bita abd characters probably is just their real backstage relations with a kayfabe lens

[jhbboy198917]

twitter.com/WWEBigE/status/1343597105563258881?s=19

[Dub H]

Dec 28, 2020 11:40:06 GMT -5 WoodStoner1 said:

Dec 27, 2020 14:19:24 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Those thinga dont happen over night but I believe in leading by example ,even if it is a few peoppe you can have a positive impact

I'm still waiting. That is all.

It hasnt been a year.

But compare to years ago how comolwty tozic everyone backstage was, and more and more positive role models appeared backstage,people like Mick Foley and Dusty are often said to be a inspiration and someone that helped people.It doesnt happen in a year or two.

Or hell how many people DDP helped not just with DDPYoGa but just ny being there for then.

People look forward to be like people that helped then.

[Tom Turkey]

This week's Being the Elite is, understandably, a tribute to a friend.