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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 29, 2021 7:05:16 GMT -5
I agree that Charlotte has been notably worse in the ring (in the few matches I've caught from the past year), but she really gets personally singled out by fans in ways that are very unusual. She gets blamed for her own booking in really personal ways, and it seems like lots of people are overtly rooting against her as a performer and not just as a character. It's weird. Yeah, it’s wild. People grasp at anything that happens and go in real hard. You also rarely hear anything bad about her from other wrestlers, she’s pretty well-liked backstage.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 29, 2021 12:41:17 GMT -5
Not "buying it?" What on earth would her motivation be? Unless you think she's actually eager for the chance to hurt someone who's already concussed? You might think it's dumb or reckless of her to make a mistake under such circumstances, but you're suggesting here it somehow wasn't a mistake, which it completely implausible. He isn't saying that Charlotte went into business for herself or tried to shoot on Kairi. Golden Child or not, that'd get her a one way ticket out the door. He's saying Charlotte seemed more focused on getting her stuff in than actually checking on Kairi's well-being. He isn't buying a language barrier as a reason why Charlotte wouldn't do that.
As for people possibly criticizing her for checking on her because it'd break character, that's just silly. It literally happens all the time and there's plenty of ways to kayfabe it without making it obvious you're checking on them.
Charlotte misjudged an inherently ambiguous situation. Like I said, if we were just talking about how she should have been more careful or attentive, then that's one thing. But this isn't just what people are talking about; they're talking about how her selfishness or ego is driving her to somehow not care that her opponents could possibly be injured, and that's extremely implausible. And my point was that people are so against Charlotte, they'd use absolutely anything as evidence she's a terrible person. C'mon, that was clear, right? She was absolutely 100% correct to not run over and check on Banks in that scenario. The ref was on top of things, and that's the ref's the one who can get help and whose job it is to decide what to do. Charlotte can't help Banks right at that moment, and she's not supposed to. And it reaaaaally looks like her grip failed, people. She dumped Banks because she DROPPED HER. You can see Banks's right leg slip out of her arms during the original hoist, and then she just loses her. Again, it's totally valid to criticize her for attempting a spot she wasn't sure she had the strength to do safely, but that is not the content of these criticisms! The inherent problem is, people are using her booking and character to make assessments in interpreting these things about who she is. They're starting from the premise that she sees everyone around her as peasants beneath her notice, and so everything is interpreted in the least charitable way possible. And I don't even necerssarily think she's a particularly nice person! I don't know her. I've just seen this happen in wrestling fandom pockets over and over: people will just hate the booking of some particular wrestler and so need them to be an evil person, and they'll find evidence for it anywhere, and it always makes me feel weird.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 29, 2021 12:46:34 GMT -5
He isn't saying that Charlotte went into business for herself or tried to shoot on Kairi. Golden Child or not, that'd get her a one way ticket out the door. He's saying Charlotte seemed more focused on getting her stuff in than actually checking on Kairi's well-being. He isn't buying a language barrier as a reason why Charlotte wouldn't do that.
As for people possibly criticizing her for checking on her because it'd break character, that's just silly. It literally happens all the time and there's plenty of ways to kayfabe it without making it obvious you're checking on them.
Charlotte misjudged an inherently ambiguous situation. Like I said, if we were just talking about how she should have been more careful or attentive, then that's one thing. But this isn't just what people are talking about; they're talking about how her selfishness or ego is driving her to somehow not care that her opponents could possibly be injured, and that's extremely implausible. And my point was that people are so against Charlotte, they'd use absolutely anything as evidence she's a terrible person. C'mon, that was clear, right? She was absolutely 100% correct to not run over and check on Banks in that scenario. The ref was on top of things, and that's the ref's the one who can get help and whose job it is to decide what to do. Charlotte can't help Banks right at that moment, and she's not supposed to. And it reaaaaally looks like her grip failed, people. She dumped Banks because she DROPPED HER. You can see Banks's right leg slip out of her arms during the original hoist, and then she just loses her. Again, it's totally valid to criticize her for attempting a spot she wasn't sure she had the strength to do safely, but that is not the content of these criticisms! The inherent problem is, people are using her booking and character to make assessments in interpreting these things about who she is. They're starting from the premise that she sees everyone around her as peasants beneath her notice, and so everything is interpreted in the least charitable way possible. And I don't even necerssarily think she's a particularly nice person! I don't know her. I've just seen this happen in wrestling fandom pockets over and over: people will just hate the booking of some particular wrestler and so need them to be an evil person, and they'll find evidence for it anywhere, and it always makes me feel weird. 1000%. People seem to jump to character judgments right away.
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Post by eJm on Feb 1, 2021 1:16:05 GMT -5
So I don’t mean to bump this topic and this is the first time I watched in a bit but as much as I liked the Women’s Rumble...I can see what people mean by Charlotte being off.
Like, she wasn’t awful but there were times she wasn’t bumping well for people or no selling offense here and there which I can get at times but everyone else was doing their fair share of that stuff so it made her stuff stand out more. Even the stuff with Lacey just felt uncoordinated and like nothing was meshing.
The ending sequence involving her felt like she was motivated and that was fun and again, it wasn’t like she was bad and I’m not someone to notice these things that much but something feels like it’s up.
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