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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 28, 2021 13:53:16 GMT -5
Charlotte has always been terrible. Glad it’s finally catching up to her. She nearly killed Sasha a few years ago in a terrible botch no one ever brings up.Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. I can't remember because I was too busy being incoherent with rage at the time, but did she even damn check on her after that? It looks like she just drops her friend on her head and then walks away going "yeah whatever"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:56:34 GMT -5
They really need to stop doing spots on parts of the ring that were never intended to be used in that fashion.
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Post by DSR on Jan 28, 2021 14:03:45 GMT -5
Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. I can't remember because I was too busy being incoherent with rage at the time, but did she even damn check on her after that? It looks like she just drops her friend on her head and then walks away going "yeah whatever" It looks like Sasha's foot catches Charlotte in the head on the way down, and Charlotte's like angry at her for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 14:05:18 GMT -5
Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. I can't remember because I was too busy being incoherent with rage at the time, but did she even damn check on her after that? It looks like she just drops her friend on her head and then walks away going "yeah whatever" Nope the ref is the one that checks on her and Charlotte looks immediately iritated that she can't just continue the match and then immediately jumps into a pin on Sasha.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 28, 2021 14:45:25 GMT -5
Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. I can't remember because I was too busy being incoherent with rage at the time, but did she even damn check on her after that? It looks like she just drops her friend on her head and then walks away going "yeah whatever" iiiiiiiiiii seriously worry here that if she'd run over and checked on her then people would be like "God, she's so unprofessional, breaking character like that!" and so there is just no way for her to win, here. She did the right thing by not rushing over; the ref was clearly on it. To me, it looks like she might have been going for a suplex, but in any case, I think her grip just failed. Yeah, it's bad she tried to do a move without making sure she had the strength at the moment to actually do it, but this isn't like she had planned this reckless spot with no concern for Banks's safety. This is just so weird to me; it feels like people just want her to be a BAD PERSON IN REAL LIFE to the point that they jump to the worst possible interpretation of everything, even when there's more forgivable explanations (like, say, there was honest miscommunication in the heat of a match with a concussed person who doesn't speak English super well). It's like things were with the Miz here years ago, where people were literally saying he should be arrested for being out of place when someone did a high spot.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 28, 2021 15:43:09 GMT -5
I can't remember because I was too busy being incoherent with rage at the time, but did she even damn check on her after that? It looks like she just drops her friend on her head and then walks away going "yeah whatever" iiiiiiiiiii seriously worry here that if she'd run over and checked on her then people would be like "God, she's so unprofessional, breaking character like that!" and so there is just no way for her to win, here. She did the right thing by not rushing over; the ref was clearly on it. To me, it looks like she might have been going for a suplex, but in any case, I think her grip just failed. Yeah, it's bad she tried to do a move without making sure she had the strength at the moment to actually do it, but this isn't like she had planned this reckless spot with no concern for Banks's safety. This is just so weird to me; it feels like people just want her to be a BAD PERSON IN REAL LIFE to the point that they jump to the worst possible interpretation of everything, even when there's more forgivable explanations (like, say, there was honest miscommunication in the heat of a match with a concussed person who doesn't speak English super well). It's like things were with the Miz here years ago, where people were literally saying he should be arrested for being out of place when someone did a high spot. I think sometimes things do get blown out of proportion with Charlotte probably because she's the golden girl office favorite whose always been pushed down our throats so I think there's a lot of resentment towards for her that similar to Roman Reigns and people are just looking for any reason to hate on her. Like that Sasha bump even though she definitely screwed up and should've been more careful it was clearly an accident and I doubt there was any malicious intent. I didn't see anything wrong with her reaction either as she was a heel at that point so you can't break character unless Sasha was seriously injured and couldn't continue and wasn't the case. On the other hand though I think she's definitely been kind of a douche since she's come back. Mainly with all the no selling and eating up girls like Peyton Royce and the Riott Squad and making them look like crap for no reason. I thought that one clip in particular with her kicking out of that Riott Squad double team before even a one count made her look like an unprofessional jerk. Liv clearly seems annoyed by it going by her body language so it looked like it was Charlotte going into business for herself as apposed to something that was planned. As for the Kairi thing I'm kind of in the middle on it. I think the language barrier had a lot to do it with it but at the same time I think she should've been smart enough to know that she was out of it and just left her alone instead of making it worse by slapping her hard and then dead lift powerbombing her.
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Post by eJm on Jan 28, 2021 15:45:25 GMT -5
As for the Kairi thing I'm kind of in the middle on it. I think the language barrier had a lot to do it with it but at the same time I think she should've been smart enough to know that she was out of it and just left her alone instead of making it worse by slapping her hard and then dead lift powerbombing her. I don't know about Joshi wrestlers but don't most Japanese wrestlers plan matches in English because of the gaijin but it's also easier to plan that way through certain terms? Because I wouldn't say that was a factor if that was the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 15:54:32 GMT -5
Becky in the match was able to realize something was wrong as she rolled Kairi under the ring to protect her but somehow Charlotte would have a communication problem naw aint buying that one , especially when Charlotte works with little to no issue with Asuka who has a thick Osaka accent that is even harder to understand even to a native Japanese.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 28, 2021 16:39:34 GMT -5
Becky in the match was able to realize something was wrong as she rolled Kairi under the ring to protect her but somehow Charlotte would have a communication problem naw aint buying that one , especially when Charlotte works with little to no issue with Asuka who has a thick Osaka accent that is even harder to understand even to a native Japanese. Doesn't Becky speak a little Japanese though? Obviously not fluently or anything but I remember her saying some lines in Japanese during promos in the lead up to her Rumble 2019 match with Asuka and I think she spent some time in Japan early in her career so it wouldn't surprise if she learned a little to help adjust. Also maybe I'm wrong but wasn't Kairi saying something in Japanese like I'm not ready or something to that effect when Charlotte was trying to powerbomb her? I could be remembering that wrong or maybe mixing it up with the Nia Jax incidents but I thought I remember that being the case. If so obviously Charlotte isn't going to understand that although she probably should've been able to take the hint when Kairi wasn't going up for the powerbomb unless she thought she wasn't cooperating and was dead weighting her although we know that wasn't the case
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Post by Dub H on Jan 28, 2021 17:31:43 GMT -5
Becky in the match was able to realize something was wrong as she rolled Kairi under the ring to protect her but somehow Charlotte would have a communication problem naw aint buying that one , especially when Charlotte works with little to no issue with Asuka who has a thick Osaka accent that is even harder to understand even to a native Japanese. Doesn't Becky speak a little Japanese though? Obviously not fluently or anything but I remember her saying some lines in Japanese during promos in the lead up to her Rumble 2019 match with Asuka and I think she spent some time in Japan early in her career so it wouldn't surprise if she learned a little to help adjust. Also maybe I'm wrong but wasn't Kairi saying something in Japanese like I'm not ready or something to that effect when Charlotte was trying to powerbomb her? I could be remembering that wrong or maybe mixing it up with the Nia Jax incidents but I thought I remember that being the case. If so obviously Charlotte isn't going to understand that although she probably should've been able to take the hint when Kairi wasn't going up for the powerbomb unless she thought she wasn't cooperating and was dead weighting her although we know that wasn't the case I assure you she doesnt know enough for a situation like that.It sounded jst like a phrase she learned for the promo. The language barrier isnt an excuse,especially because concussioned people will almost never be able to say they are concussioned. People watching on tv were able to tell she had a concussion.
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Post by Shark on Jan 28, 2021 17:38:01 GMT -5
Doesn't Becky speak a little Japanese though? Obviously not fluently or anything but I remember her saying some lines in Japanese during promos in the lead up to her Rumble 2019 match with Asuka and I think she spent some time in Japan early in her career so it wouldn't surprise if she learned a little to help adjust. Also maybe I'm wrong but wasn't Kairi saying something in Japanese like I'm not ready or something to that effect when Charlotte was trying to powerbomb her? I could be remembering that wrong or maybe mixing it up with the Nia Jax incidents but I thought I remember that being the case. If so obviously Charlotte isn't going to understand that although she probably should've been able to take the hint when Kairi wasn't going up for the powerbomb unless she thought she wasn't cooperating and was dead weighting her although we know that wasn't the case I assure you she doesnt know enough for a situation like that.It sounded jst like a phrase she learned for the promo. The language barrier isnt an excuse,especially because concussioned people will almost never be able to say they are concussioned. People watching on tv were able to tell she had a concussion. Also, at any rate, slapping someone in the face because they didn't sell the way you wanted is incredibly unprofessional.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 28, 2021 18:12:01 GMT -5
As for the Kairi thing I'm kind of in the middle on it. I think the language barrier had a lot to do it with it but at the same time I think she should've been smart enough to know that she was out of it and just left her alone instead of making it worse by slapping her hard and then dead lift powerbombing her. I don't know about Joshi wrestlers but don't most Japanese wrestlers plan matches in English because of the gaijin but it's also easier to plan that way through certain terms? Because I wouldn't say that was a factor if that was the case. Dunno about that, given that Nyla Rose said she would plan matches in Japan via Barbie doll interactions.
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Post by mistery on Jan 29, 2021 0:18:32 GMT -5
As for the Kairi thing I'm kind of in the middle on it. I think the language barrier had a lot to do it with it but at the same time I think she should've been smart enough to know that she was out of it and just left her alone instead of making it worse by slapping her hard and then dead lift powerbombing her. I don't know about Joshi wrestlers but don't most Japanese wrestlers plan matches in English because of the gaijin but it's also easier to plan that way through certain terms? Because I wouldn't say that was a factor if that was the case. At least in STARDOM, they plan out their matches in English. And Kairi only worked STARDOM before coming to the US. As for the situation at hand, I think Charlotte clearly knew what was going on and also admitted that she was more concerned with getting her stuff in than the health of Kairi. That combined with Kairi being manhandled by Nia not once, but twice were the contributing factors to her leaving WWE. Basically Charlotte is kind of a jerk, but she likely sees no reason to change considering she never actually gets punished for her actions.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 29, 2021 0:23:00 GMT -5
Has it ever actually been confirmed that those injuries were factors in Sane going home, or is that just speculation?
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 29, 2021 0:24:59 GMT -5
Becky in the match was able to realize something was wrong as she rolled Kairi under the ring to protect her but somehow Charlotte would have a communication problem naw aint buying that one , especially when Charlotte works with little to no issue with Asuka who has a thick Osaka accent that is even harder to understand even to a native Japanese. Not "buying it?" What on earth would her motivation be? Unless you think she's actually eager for the chance to hurt someone who's already concussed? You might think it's dumb or reckless of her to make a mistake under such circumstances, but you're suggesting here it somehow wasn't a mistake, which it completely implausible.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 29, 2021 1:12:17 GMT -5
Becky in the match was able to realize something was wrong as she rolled Kairi under the ring to protect her but somehow Charlotte would have a communication problem naw aint buying that one , especially when Charlotte works with little to no issue with Asuka who has a thick Osaka accent that is even harder to understand even to a native Japanese. Not "buying it?" What on earth would her motivation be? Unless you think she's actually eager for the chance to hurt someone who's already concussed? You might think it's dumb or reckless of her to make a mistake under such circumstances, but you're suggesting here it somehow wasn't a mistake, which it completely implausible. He isn't saying that Charlotte went into business for herself or tried to shoot on Kairi. Golden Child or not, that'd get her a one way ticket out the door. He's saying Charlotte seemed more focused on getting her stuff in than actually checking on Kairi's well-being. He isn't buying a language barrier as a reason why Charlotte wouldn't do that.
As for people possibly criticizing her for checking on her because it'd break character, that's just silly. It literally happens all the time and there's plenty of ways to kayfabe it without making it obvious you're checking on them.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 29, 2021 2:53:13 GMT -5
Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. I can't remember because I was too busy being incoherent with rage at the time, but did she even damn check on her after that? It looks like she just drops her friend on her head and then walks away going "yeah whatever" You can never tell intent, but her movements, posture and attitude certainly look like “Can’t do it. I’m bailing”. Sasha didn’t slip. Charlotte f***ing bailed on her, just let her go.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 29, 2021 4:11:40 GMT -5
Has it ever actually been confirmed that those injuries were factors in Sane going home, or is that just speculation? Sane had concussion problems before signing to WWE, suffering two bad ones in the span that she did from Charlotte and Nia absolutely factored into her leave. Especially the Nia timeframe which was absolutely egregious on WWE's part. They put her in a match with Nia the week after Nia almost killed her on a powerbomb spot, and then Nia proceeded to bust her open in the second match, give her the need for stitches, and concussed her again. I'd be like "F*** this I'm out" too.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 29, 2021 4:32:15 GMT -5
Has it ever actually been confirmed that those injuries were factors in Sane going home, or is that just speculation? Sane had concussion problems before signing to WWE, suffering two bad ones in the span that she did from Charlotte and Nia absolutely factored into her leave. Especially the Nia timeframe which was absolutely egregious on WWE's part. They put her in a match with Nia the week after Nia almost killed her on a powerbomb spot, and then Nia proceeded to bust her open in the second match, give her the need for stitches, and concussed her again. I'd be like "F*** this I'm out" too. That’s still only speculation, though. That’s not saying it’s not plausible, I’m just looking for something more concrete than old mate on a wrestling board that may or may not have pre-existing axes to grind with Charlotte Flair and/or Nia Jax, with all due respect. Fact is, I don’t think anybody has really nailed down the specific reason. Sane herself isn’t going to say anything while she’s still technically signed to WWE, so all we have is the WWE line of her being homesick and wanting to go home to her new husband (which is very plausible), or the speculation that Charlotte Flair and Nia Jax concussed her out of the company.
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Post by mistery on Jan 29, 2021 6:28:46 GMT -5
Sane had concussion problems before signing to WWE, suffering two bad ones in the span that she did from Charlotte and Nia absolutely factored into her leave. Especially the Nia timeframe which was absolutely egregious on WWE's part. They put her in a match with Nia the week after Nia almost killed her on a powerbomb spot, and then Nia proceeded to bust her open in the second match, give her the need for stitches, and concussed her again. I'd be like "F*** this I'm out" too. That’s still only speculation, though. That’s not saying it’s not plausible, I’m just looking for something more concrete than old mate on a wrestling board that may or may not have pre-existing axes to grind with Charlotte Flair and/or Nia Jax, with all due respect. Fact is, I don’t think anybody has really nailed down the specific reason. Sane herself isn’t going to say anything while she’s still technically signed to WWE, so all we have is the WWE line of her being homesick and wanting to go home to her new husband (which is very plausible), or the speculation that Charlotte Flair and Nia Jax concussed her out of the company. She pretty explicitly mentioned that the injuries were the one of the reasons why she left, in an interview with Tokyo Sports. WWE likely has her under contract for a multitude of reasons. The two biggest being they don't want her wrestling for another promotion (and she mentioned she got offers from other promotions), and Vince generally tries and set up their workers who have to retire due to injury with office jobs for life. And yes, I can easily say Charlotte is reckless. Just look this past Monday when she clearly didn't care about the matches she was in, and she almost hurt Shayna as well.
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