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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 27, 2021 18:46:53 GMT -5
I agree that Charlotte has been notably worse in the ring (in the few matches I've caught from the past year), but she really gets personally singled out by fans in ways that are very unusual. She gets blamed for her own booking in really personal ways, and it seems like lots of people are overtly rooting against her as a performer and not just as a character. It's weird.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 27, 2021 18:48:56 GMT -5
Charlotte has always been terrible. Glad it’s finally catching up to her. She nearly killed Sasha a few years ago in a terrible botch no one ever brings up.Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 18:52:45 GMT -5
Ever since the Kairi incident Charlottes whole attitude really publicly flipped like that whole thing instilled in her a bullish mindset of...me first and only me.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 27, 2021 19:12:16 GMT -5
Charlotte has always been terrible. Glad it’s finally catching up to her. She nearly killed Sasha a few years ago in a terrible botch no one ever brings up.Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. Yeah, that’s the one.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 27, 2021 21:12:42 GMT -5
Did Charlotte start training in FCW or was NXT fully in operation when she started? Either way I think that she was trained that you have to get certain spots in no matter what. I've noticed not just with her but some other wrestlers that got most if not all training in the WWE system that they are very uncomfortable improvising
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 27, 2021 21:16:43 GMT -5
Did Charlotte start training in FCW or was NXT fully in operation when she started? Either way I think that she was trained that you have to get certain spots in no matter what. I've noticed not just with her but some other wrestlers that got most if not all training in the WWE system that they are very uncomfortable improvising It's not just WWE trained people that do it that way. for starters that is also the FLAIR way. Ric made sure to get all of his signature spots into every one of his matches... he tells the story of seeing a wrestler when he was younger that was known for a specific spot. When he finally got money to see him live the wrestler didn't do it and he felt cheated and he never wanted anyone to feel that way about his matches. That said the WWE in general have that, it's why the Nigel clothesline started getting shoehorned into every Ambrose match... or Roman would do the super dropkick on the outside regardless if it made sense or not. The WWE like everyone having their own signature spots... and they shove them into every match they have regardless of how it affects the flow of the match.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 27, 2021 21:20:45 GMT -5
Did Charlotte start training in FCW or was NXT fully in operation when she started? Either way I think that she was trained that you have to get certain spots in no matter what. I've noticed not just with her but some other wrestlers that got most if not all training in the WWE system that they are very uncomfortable improvising It's not just WWE trained people that do it that way. for starters that is also the FLAIR way. Ric made sure to get all of his signature spots into every one of his matches... he tells the story of seeing a wrestler when he was younger that was known for a specific spot. When he finally got money to see him live the wrestler didn't do it and he felt cheated and he never wanted anyone to feel that way about his matches. That said the WWE in general have that, it's why the Nigel clothesline started getting shoehorned into every Ambrose match... or Roman would do the super dropkick on the outside regardless if it made sense or not. The WWE like everyone having their own signature spots... and they shove them into every match they have regardless of how it affects the flow of the match. Yep I knew the WWE style. I remember the first time Roman did that dropkick it was cool but it got overdone. But I was curious because the guys and girls who came up through developmental the last few years before NXT and the Performance Center opened had issues more than others. They had no idea how to react if crowds were not reacting
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Post by BatPunk on Jan 27, 2021 23:11:34 GMT -5
Ever since the Kairi incident Charlottes whole attitude really publicly flipped like that whole thing instilled in her a bullish mindset of...me first and only me. Yeah. This was the point where it really seemed like she didn’t care. And then people started looking back at past matches and issues and it really starts to paint a whole picture.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 28, 2021 0:00:12 GMT -5
Charlotte has always been terrible. Glad it’s finally catching up to her. She nearly killed Sasha a few years ago in a terrible botch no one ever brings up.Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. What was she even attempting to do here?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 28, 2021 0:05:28 GMT -5
Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. What was she even attempting to do here? almost looks like a weird backbreaker from the second rope... but she just kinda drops her.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 28, 2021 0:05:59 GMT -5
Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. What was she even attempting to do here? I can only assume a backbreaker across the bolt connecting the turnbuckle pad to the post.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 28, 2021 0:47:13 GMT -5
Charlotte has always been terrible. Glad it’s finally catching up to her. She nearly killed Sasha a few years ago in a terrible botch no one ever brings up.Chasing it up, I can only assume it was this... Which... Yeah, it’s pretty bad but it didn’t become a recurring thing for her in the four and a half years since SummerSlam 2016 until now seemingly (or at the earliest, the ladder match with Asuka/Sane), so that’s probably why it dropped out of the consciousness. We are legitimately lucky that spot wasn't the end of Sasha Banks career Like the Nia Shoulderbreaker on Charlotte was bad when she dropped Charlotte on her head, but that spot is a worse angle and from a higher point, Sasha damn near almost broke her neck, legitimately zero protection or forethought put into that spot, and I highly doubt that was the plan.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jan 28, 2021 2:40:27 GMT -5
So unless Shayna is just a master at selling, Charlotte really stiffed her with that knee strike. It now feels like this is a real problem that needs to be addressed. She's lucky that for all of her history, Shayna is actually a really chill person. If I were Shayna and she did that to me, I would have had to put her to sleep when we got backstage. Completely unacceptable. That's called premeditated assault and would actually send you to jail.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 2:58:34 GMT -5
What was she injured with? Maybe it’s a combination of the mental or physical from that?
Also maybe she’s pissed Andrade still hasn’t returned since being undrafted.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 28, 2021 3:18:26 GMT -5
That no selling is super weird. Like even big dudes like Lesnar, Taker, Kane, Big Show, etc., sold for their opponents. Like, they didn't do HBK being petty at Summerslam to Hulk Hogan petty (which was super funny), but they sold like..logically. Even Hogan himself sold for people despite his bullshit. Why she's just deciding to make everyone that's not a Horsewomen/Asuka/Bliss look like shit is just crazy. Like..did somebody tell her she was supposed to be Ultimate Warrior or Goldberg now? There's just a lot of weirdness in general with Flair that I don't think we'll ever truly know about unless circumstances come to be that the likes of Becky Lynch or Bayley or Sasha Banks or Asuka or Rhea Ripley sever ties with WWE completely and "spill the tea" about anything she might have done behind the scenes to sway things in her favour. I'm being specific on that "sever ties" wording because I believe Kairi Sane is still on their books even though she moved back home and thus, if she has any tea to spill, she ain't spilling it yet. But it does feel like sometimes they're trying to give her "monster" booking. Like, she is bigger than most of the women there, but not so much so that she's got a big body like an Awesome Kong or a Nia Jax, nor is she significantly tall. Keep in mind, what I'm about to post are some selected billed heights and weights, sorted tallest to shortest (even though WWE never announce the weights with the women): Nia Jax: 6'0"/272 lbs Charlotte Flair: 5'10"/143 lbs Tamina: 5'9"/141 lbs Rhea Ripley: 5'7"/137 lbs Shayna Baszler: 5'6"/137 lbs Becky Lynch: 5'6"/135 lbs Bayley: 5'6"/119 lbs Sasha Banks: 5'5"/114 lbs Asuka: 5'3"/137 lbs Alexa Bliss: 5'1"/102 lbs Now, you notice that I posted Tamina, someone right at the arse-end of the roster. That is relevant because, she is someone who still gets "monster" booking in spite of her placement on the roster, yet it's not something that is often questioned. It's very possible that it's because Tamina is such a non-entity in the grander scheme of things, but it's possible that I might be missing those conversations. I know for a fact that people buy Rhea Ripley's "monster" booking. Bayley being the same height as Becky and 16 pounds lighter doesn’t seem right.
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Post by msc on Jan 28, 2021 4:26:46 GMT -5
1. So is Shayna OK? I've not seen any news about her being hurt?
2. What happened to Kairi? I thought she was injured by Nia Jax? I'm still f***ed off that we lost Sane as a performer, she was one of my favourites.
3. Even though its 5 years old, that gif had me instantly worried for Sasha Banks life even though I just saw her on Smackdown!
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 28, 2021 4:33:34 GMT -5
There's just a lot of weirdness in general with Flair that I don't think we'll ever truly know about unless circumstances come to be that the likes of Becky Lynch or Bayley or Sasha Banks or Asuka or Rhea Ripley sever ties with WWE completely and "spill the tea" about anything she might have done behind the scenes to sway things in her favour. I'm being specific on that "sever ties" wording because I believe Kairi Sane is still on their books even though she moved back home and thus, if she has any tea to spill, she ain't spilling it yet. But it does feel like sometimes they're trying to give her "monster" booking. Like, she is bigger than most of the women there, but not so much so that she's got a big body like an Awesome Kong or a Nia Jax, nor is she significantly tall. Keep in mind, what I'm about to post are some selected billed heights and weights, sorted tallest to shortest (even though WWE never announce the weights with the women): Nia Jax: 6'0"/272 lbs Charlotte Flair: 5'10"/143 lbs Tamina: 5'9"/141 lbs Rhea Ripley: 5'7"/137 lbs Shayna Baszler: 5'6"/137 lbs Becky Lynch: 5'6"/135 lbs Bayley: 5'6"/119 lbs Sasha Banks: 5'5"/114 lbs Asuka: 5'3"/137 lbs Alexa Bliss: 5'1"/102 lbs Now, you notice that I posted Tamina, someone right at the arse-end of the roster. That is relevant because, she is someone who still gets "monster" booking in spite of her placement on the roster, yet it's not something that is often questioned. It's very possible that it's because Tamina is such a non-entity in the grander scheme of things, but it's possible that I might be missing those conversations. I know for a fact that people buy Rhea Ripley's "monster" booking. Bayley being the same height as Becky and 16 pounds lighter doesn’t seem right. Yeah a lot of these are clearly not accurate. Like there's no way Asuka is only four pounds lighter then Tamina. Bayley clearly looks to have about an inch to inch 1/2 on Becky whenever they're on screen together. I would say Bayley is actually probably more around 5'7". She's also clearly bigger then 119 lbs. as she's noticeably put weight on over the last year or so. Even when she was smaller I would say she was bigger then 119. Probably was about 125-130 and about 140 now. Tamina at 141 is highly unlikely. Shayna and Rhea are two others who clearly underbilled which is weird with both being portrayed as bad asses you think they would wanna bill as bigger. I think they did actually finally fix Rhea's height to a more accurate 5'10". I'm pretty sure they listed her at 5'10" when they did a tale of the tape before her match with Reina. Shayna also looked to be about an inch or so taller then 5'6" billed Becky when facing off leading in their Wrestlemania match last year. Of the women on the list Nia, Charlotte, Becky, Sasha, and Alexa are the only ones who seem pretty accurate or at least close to it. Just guessing I would say the sizes for all the them are more like: Nia: 6'0"/280 lbs. Rhea: 5'10"/160 lbs. Charlotte: 5'10"/145 lbs. (used to be probably more around 160 but has clearly slimmed down a decent bit since coming back) Tamina: 5'9"/190 lbs. Shayna: 5'7"/155 lbs. Bayley: 5'7"/140 lbs. Becky: 5'6"/135 lbs. Sasha: 5'4"/115 lbs. Asuka: 5'3"/125 lbs. Alexa: 5'0"/105 lbs.
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Post by Shark on Jan 28, 2021 4:40:30 GMT -5
1. So is Shayna OK? I've not seen any news about her being hurt? 2. What happened to Kairi? I thought she was injured by Nia Jax? I'm still f***ed off that we lost Sane as a performer, she was one of my favourites. 3. Even though its 5 years old, that gif had me instantly worried for Sasha Banks life even though I just saw her on Smackdown! 1. She seems fine. No reports of her being injured or anything. Dana seemed to take a stiff bump from Nia, but Dana was ok too. 2. At TLC 2019, Becky and Charlotte faced Asuka and Kairi and during the match, Charlotte dropped Kairi onto her head and Kairi was very clearly out of it the rest of the match. Then a bit later, Kairi doesn't sell a spear from Charlotte like normal, so Charlotte slapped her and then roughly powerbombed her through a table. According to someone else in this thread, this incident was a contributing factor in Kairi choosing to leave. 3. That was scary and being a huge Sasha fan, it greatly upset me because of how little Charlotte tried to protect Sasha.
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Post by msc on Jan 28, 2021 9:08:24 GMT -5
1. So is Shayna OK? I've not seen any news about her being hurt? 2. What happened to Kairi? I thought she was injured by Nia Jax? I'm still f***ed off that we lost Sane as a performer, she was one of my favourites. 3. Even though its 5 years old, that gif had me instantly worried for Sasha Banks life even though I just saw her on Smackdown! 1. She seems fine. No reports of her being injured or anything. Dana seemed to take a stiff bump from Nia, but Dana was ok too. 2. At TLC 2019, Becky and Charlotte faced Asuka and Kairi and during the match, Charlotte dropped Kairi onto her head and Kairi was very clearly out of it the rest of the match. Then a bit later, Kairi doesn't sell a spear from Charlotte like normal, so Charlotte slapped her and then roughly powerbombed her through a table. According to someone else in this thread, this incident was a contributing factor in Kairi choosing to leave. 3. That was scary and being a huge Sasha fan, it greatly upset me because of how little Charlotte tried to protect Sasha. I never saw TLC 2019. That sucks.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 28, 2021 10:10:25 GMT -5
2. At TLC 2019, Becky and Charlotte faced Asuka and Kairi and during the match, Charlotte dropped Kairi onto her head and Kairi was very clearly out of it the rest of the match. Then a bit later, Kairi doesn't sell a spear from Charlotte like normal, so Charlotte slapped her and then roughly powerbombed her through a table. According to someone else in this thread, this incident was a contributing factor in Kairi choosing to leave. ; Yeah, and the spear sell should have been reason enough for Charlotte to realize something was up. Kairi just kinda crumpled... After the powerbomb Becky basically went over to Kairi and rolled her under the ring or something to protect her.
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