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Post by hassanchop on Jan 21, 2021 13:28:33 GMT -5
I think that he’s just nostalgic for a bygone era more than anything. Most every generation claims that men were men in their era, but in reality people are pretty much the same just the times change. The more things change
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jan 21, 2021 13:28:44 GMT -5
I don’t know about “not shitting on it”, apparently he got right on a “the locker room isn’t REAL men anymore because video games” tangent somewhere in there. Which, along with Nash and Shelley's combined comedic ability, makes this just perfect satire about the generational divide in wrestling. Beyond perfect satire, by wrestling's standards. EDIT: Sorry, it's the 2nd vid. Won't imbed alone. "They go out to strip clubs and spend all their money, right!??" Ah the PCS stuff was so brilliant
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jan 21, 2021 13:30:44 GMT -5
I mean a lot of people play video games and I don’t so I can see what he means from the outsider looking in perspective but playing video games is a lot more healthier than what else the current talent could be doing. "Lets bully Renee Dupree because he's Franch, DOOT DOOT DOOT"
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Post by Starshine on Jan 21, 2021 13:51:26 GMT -5
It was a good interview, and I don't think what Taker said was necessarily terrible. He was just saying it's different and he misses his time. To me it felt like somebody nostalgic for the early days of his careers, and that things are different now. He was definitely honest, though, and I hope Vince/HHH take some of it to heart.I mean, he buttered up HHH and praised him in terms of what he’s doing with NXT. About taking a step back and “trying to put the paste back into the tube” while really not acknowledging Vinces current effect on the product other than the aforementioned criticism. I doubt this will reach Vince’s peripheral but..I’d be curious to see how he’d take it. Nothing would happen. Vince plays Taker like a fiddle and he follows lead like an insecure puppy. That’s the main thing to take away from the Last Ride series.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jan 21, 2021 13:57:52 GMT -5
I hope Calloway can get demystified in the eyes of a lot of people. Obviously when he wasn't a "public person" it was one thing, but now that he's on the interview circuit etc it has to be said that the lingering aura he had is detrimental to an understanding of wrestling history from 1990-2020. This is a person like any other - certainly not the worst man to ever enter a wrestling locker room, but no saint either, and whose backstage presence has had as many negative effects as positive.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 21, 2021 13:59:02 GMT -5
What advice could the Undertaker give in the ring? "Walk slowly, lots of choke spots and be very tall"
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jan 21, 2021 14:00:36 GMT -5
What advice could the Undertaker give in the ring? "Walk slowly, lots of choke spots and be very tall" "Try to work with someone vastly more talented so that people think you're much better than you actually are when they get a good match out of you."
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 21, 2021 14:22:26 GMT -5
It's interesting. In probably the most nuanced of ways I agree. Not so much I want wrestlers to be super destructive, but I do see a lot of wrestlers trying to look pretty more than portraying a real fight. It happens way more outside of wwe but I feel like wrestlers are so interested in putting on a 30 minute mat classic vs portraying a character that wants the benefits of winning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 15:05:02 GMT -5
What advice could the Undertaker give in the ring? "Walk slowly, lots of choke spots and be very tall" Well, Corbin said Taker gave him some advice back in NXT. Corbin's exact words are. Take that for what you will. You wonder why Corbin's structured the way he is? Well, there ya go. I'll say that doesn't help Taker's case.
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Post by msc on Jan 21, 2021 15:30:32 GMT -5
What advice could the Undertaker give in the ring? "Walk slowly, lots of choke spots and be very tall" Well, Corbin said Taker gave him some advice back in NXT. Corbin's exact words are. Take that for what you will. You wonder why Corbin's structured the way he is? Well, there ya go. I'll say that doesn't help Taker's case. tbf that is old school advice - Val Venis criticised Big Show for giving too much in 2000, and Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes gave it to Mick Foley as friendly advice when he was starting out in WCW. It's one of those old timer bits of advice rather than trying to be selfish. I was going to say "dated advice" but then I still go nuts when a big monster no sells something like hes Darth Vader so bad example!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 15:37:12 GMT -5
It's interesting. In probably the most nuanced of ways I agree. Not so much I want wrestlers to be super destructive, but I do see a lot of wrestlers trying to look pretty more than portraying a real fight. It happens way more outside of wwe but I feel like wrestlers are so interested in putting on a 30 minute mat classic vs portraying a character that wants the benefits of winning. I’ll go a step further, Taker just described why wrestling has lost mainstream popularity and interest among younger people. The talent care more about how they look, both in terms of appearance and moves in the ring. There’s no selling, no psychology, no respect for what older guys worked so hard to protect. People can disagree with that thinking, up to you, but I think it definitely plays a part in why the genre is so niche now. People are just going to focus on “OMG tOxIc mAsCuLiNiTy!!” but I think there’s something deeper there if you look past that.
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Post by Andee9001 on Jan 21, 2021 15:42:26 GMT -5
Me 5 years ago: I wish Taker would do more interviews so we could learn more about him as a person.
Me today: Well at least the character was cool.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 21, 2021 15:43:58 GMT -5
The backstage environment shouldn’t have to go back to being a toxic minefield just so the on-screen product becomes better, though.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 21, 2021 15:52:29 GMT -5
I dont know about you guys but im at my most relaxed around armed musuclar drug addicts
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Post by eJm on Jan 21, 2021 15:53:00 GMT -5
The backstage environment shouldn’t have to go back to being a toxic minefield just so the on-screen product becomes better, though. And quite frankly, a lot of the stuff people mention is down to the fact that most of wrestling follows WWE’s lead with a lot of this stuff. So if they put out a product that conveys what some people put out here and it still makes money, other people are going to do the same on a local level. It’s only been the last decade or so when other companies have started to really divert from that to different success.
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 21, 2021 16:14:11 GMT -5
It's interesting. In probably the most nuanced of ways I agree. Not so much I want wrestlers to be super destructive, but I do see a lot of wrestlers trying to look pretty more than portraying a real fight. It happens way more outside of wwe but I feel like wrestlers are so interested in putting on a 30 minute mat classic vs portraying a character that wants the benefits of winning. I’ll go a step further, Taker just described why wrestling has lost mainstream popularity and interest among younger people. The talent care more about how they look, both in terms of appearance and moves in the ring. There’s no selling, no psychology, no respect for what older guys worked so hard to protect. People can disagree with that thinking, up to you, but I think it definitely plays a part in why the genre is so niche now. People are just going to focus on “OMG tOxIc mAsCuLiNiTy!!” but I think there’s something deeper there if you look past that. This, its kind of why i m falling out of interest in a lot of the current product (and some of AEW is this)...It comes off as community theatre mixed with cirque de solele performance and cosplaying as comic book/superhero/disney characters...its probably why a lot of the demo's have shifted off to UFC/MMA
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Jan 21, 2021 16:24:19 GMT -5
The backstage environment shouldn’t have to go back to being a toxic minefield just so the on-screen product becomes better, though. I think The Bump would be a better podcast if the host and guests both had loaded firearms in their bag and smelled terrible
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Post by eJm on Jan 21, 2021 16:27:12 GMT -5
The backstage environment shouldn’t have to go back to being a toxic minefield just so the on-screen product becomes better, though. I think The Bump would be a better podcast if the host and guests both had loaded firearms in their bag and smelled terrible RJ City’s already a guest, though...
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Post by Starshine on Jan 21, 2021 16:27:37 GMT -5
It's interesting. In probably the most nuanced of ways I agree. Not so much I want wrestlers to be super destructive, but I do see a lot of wrestlers trying to look pretty more than portraying a real fight. It happens way more outside of wwe but I feel like wrestlers are so interested in putting on a 30 minute mat classic vs portraying a character that wants the benefits of winning. I’ll go a step further, Taker just described why wrestling has lost mainstream popularity and interest among younger people. The talent care more about how they look, both in terms of appearance and moves in the ring. There’s no selling, no psychology, no respect for what older guys worked so hard to protect. People can disagree with that thinking, up to you, but I think it definitely plays a part in why the genre is so niche now. People are just going to focus on “OMG tOxIc mAsCuLiNiTy!!” but I think there’s something deeper there if you look past that. Except that the issue with the cosmetic obsession in pro wrestling was perpetrated by WWE's own edicts. If they didn't demand certain looks out of their talent, the wrestlers wouldn't work themselves to the bone to get that physique/look. Also they book this shit, if they don't like flippy do's then they could order the wrestlers to not do them to *ahem* "pR0tecT D1z BusZinEZZ." *throws up a little* Taker's a f***ing liar if he's blaming the wrestlers for this, because he should know better than anyone else how the culture of the company has shifted throughout his tenure there.
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Post by eJm on Jan 21, 2021 16:39:43 GMT -5
I’ll go a step further, Taker just described why wrestling has lost mainstream popularity and interest among younger people. The talent care more about how they look, both in terms of appearance and moves in the ring. There’s no selling, no psychology, no respect for what older guys worked so hard to protect. People can disagree with that thinking, up to you, but I think it definitely plays a part in why the genre is so niche now. People are just going to focus on “OMG tOxIc mAsCuLiNiTy!!” but I think there’s something deeper there if you look past that. Except that the issue with the cosmetic obsession in pro wrestling was perpetrated by WWE's own edicts. If they didn't demand certain looks out of their talent, the wrestlers wouldn't work themselves to the bone to get that physique/look. Also they book this shit, if they don't like flippy do's then they could order the wrestlers to not do them to *ahem* "pR0tecT D1z BusZinEZZ." *throws up a little* Taker's a f***ing liar if he's blaming the wrestlers for this, because he should know better than anyone else how the culture of the company has shifted throughout his tenure there. I can't ever take the "blame the workers" argument seriously because like you said, much of how the business has gone revolved around what WWE (and WCW at a time) were doing so if people are just thrown out there to perform and the audience isn't given a reason to care on a year by year basis...at what point do you say that management is to blame? Because it's gotten to the point where management is thoroughly to blame. And that's not going into my argument that wrestling has always been a niche that got lucky in the same way there's still Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles stuff being made or a tonne of people still play Magic: The Gathering.
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