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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 3, 2023 2:15:33 GMT -5
At the end of this, a month of misery for Roman ain’t enough. More like an entire year of his character suffering comeuppance after comeuppance.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 3, 2023 2:18:14 GMT -5
The only thing WWE did wrong was not booking a Dusty Finish.
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Post by knightboat on Apr 3, 2023 2:21:22 GMT -5
Wait the WWE loves doing the unexpected as seen tonight. If we all assume Roman makes it to 1000 days, then they'll have to book him to lose before 1000
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 3, 2023 2:21:53 GMT -5
After CATC and WM, I can't see myself getting emotionally invested in another Roman title match. Like when he does lose it in 2030 I'll probably just be like, "Oh, OK. Finally." And then finish my bottle of Mike's Hard Lemonade before going to bed in my mom's basement.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 3, 2023 2:22:59 GMT -5
Wait the WWE loves doing the unexpected as seen tonight. If we all assume Roman makes it to 1000 days, then they'll have to book him to lose before 1000 Do it in the funniest way possible. Like he loses the title match in two minutes.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 3, 2023 2:23:27 GMT -5
People talking about Drew, about Sami, about Cody... f***ing remember when Big E was the guy who everyone thought was going to beat him? This shit has dragged no so long that the guy who seemed poised to finally get a big star-making moment off of the run is lost to memory. And when you look at how dirty Big E got done with his title, it really stands out. Big E won the title and they immediately rushed Roman over to Raw to beat him twice in one night a week later, and then again at Survivor Series just in case anyone had any inkling Big E mattered to them. Just like how after Xavier won KOTR, Roman had to immediately squash him, steal his crown, and then destroy it. He's on comically absurd levels of OP Villain Gary Stu BS. Gunther is basically the only dude in the company being pushed completely independently of the Bloodline. Even with Theory his Money in the Bank shit that is still fueling his current character goes back to saying, “Yeah, of course he couldn’t beat Roman, why try?” And honestly the second he passes Honky Tonk Man WWE's probably going to do him vs. Roman and have Roman become the Undisputed WWE Universal Intercontinental Champion because f*** you.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 3, 2023 2:24:35 GMT -5
People talking about Drew, about Sami, about Cody... f***ing remember when Big E was the guy who everyone thought was going to beat him? This shit has dragged no so long that the guy who seemed poised to finally get a big star-making moment off of the run is lost to memory. And when you look at how dirty Big E got done with his title, it really stands out. Big E won the title and they immediately rushed Roman over to Raw to beat him twice in one night a week later, and then again at Survivor Series just in case anyone had any inkling Big E mattered to them. Just like how after Xavier won KOTR, Roman had to immediately squash him, steal his crown, and then destroy it. He's on comically absurd levels of OP Villain Gary Stu BS. The utter gulf between how Roman gets pushed and how anyone else gets pushed are really amazing to see. I've been on this forever, but the top-heavy "the only guy who matters is the one on top and you can only build up other people in service of feeding them to the guy on top" booking has demolished the company and demolished the roster's credibility. This was a problem in the Cena years and it's a problem now, and this pattern of ignoring that people keep getting hot against Roman and that you could theoretically have two stars instead of one if you maybe went somewhere with it feels so short-sighted that it's almost outright contemptuous for anyone who thinks WWE should have a second top star maybe. ROMAN HAS TWO BELTS. THIS IS STUPID.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 3:02:34 GMT -5
I'm still beside myself that WWE does like four serious months of build to Mania, calls the Rumble the start of the Road to Mania, and then has a complete filler PPV in Elimination Chamber for Mania... just for the Main Event of the show to be a f***ing punch to the nuts and a "Find out what happens tomorrow!"
Imagine writing a show like this where you get to a Season Finale, they kill the main character and the villain wins... but it's been renewed for two more seasons, and they were well aware of that, they just did it anyway and said "Keep watching it'll be cool"... just absolutely dumbfounded that "The biggest wrestling show of the year" hasn't really felt like it's ended a grand story since maybe Kofi won the title. The show where there is supposed to be climactic triumph is starting to just become a big filler ad that doesn't accomplish much of anything, especially when it comes to the Main Event
And like yeah it's still Mania, it's still gonna sell a bajillion tickets because it's Mania... but it's really losing what made it WrestleMania imo
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 3:03:08 GMT -5
Big E won the title and they immediately rushed Roman over to Raw to beat him twice in one night a week later, and then again at Survivor Series just in case anyone had any inkling Big E mattered to them. Just like how after Xavier won KOTR, Roman had to immediately squash him, steal his crown, and then destroy it. He's on comically absurd levels of OP Villain Gary Stu BS. The utter gulf between how Roman gets pushed and how anyone else gets pushed are really amazing to see. I've been on this forever, but the top-heavy "the only guy who matters is the one on top and you can only build up other people in service of feeding them to the guy on top" booking has demolished the company and demolished the roster's credibility. This was a problem in the Cena years and it's a problem now, and this pattern of ignoring that people keep getting hot against Roman and that you could theoretically have two stars instead of one if you maybe went somewhere with it feels so short-sighted that it's almost outright contemptuous for anyone who thinks WWE should have a second top star maybe. ROMAN HAS TWO BELTS. THIS IS STUPID. The fact Roman has both belts, as was mentioned above, only makes this worse, because the upper tier of the card is essentially Roman, and whoever is losing to Roman in this next Roman arc, this was the one chance they had where it felt like everyone was truly still invested in the story and they blew it... after they blew it with Sami, which was only justified because "You can't ruin Cody's story", guess you were right, we can't, WWE can though lol Like it's late at this point and I'm rambling but I'm just sorta sitting here like... my god, they actually did that, the one chance they had, a globe sized softball dropped like a helium balloon into mountain sized hands... and they f***ing STILL DROPPED IT lmfao And I know people are still like "They can still make a big moment" and it's like it was the WRESTLEMANIA MAIN EVENT, there isn't a bigger place to do it, everything else even if Cody somehow does win the belt will mean so much less, and it doesn't excuse them from doing this now or make it ok even if by some miracle they do get people invested like they did with Sami and Cody... and if the answer is Jey Uso or Solo god f***ing help us if we wasted almost four years on this shit just for the answer to the Bloodline ending being The Bloodline, just like... no one else f***ing matters but them, it BLOWS lol
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 3, 2023 3:09:28 GMT -5
I'm still beside myself that WWE does like four serious months of build to Mania, calls the Rumble the start of the Road to Mania, and then has a complete filler PPV in Elimination Chamber for Mania... just for the Main Event of the show to be a f***ing punch to the nuts and a "Find out what happens tomorrow!" Imagine writing a show like this where you get to a Season Finale, they kill the main character and the villain wins... but it's been renewed for two more seasons, and they were well aware of that, they just did it anyway and said "Keep watching it'll be cool"... just absolutely dumbfounded that "The biggest wrestling show of the year" hasn't really felt like it's ended a grand story since maybe Kofi won the title. The show where there is supposed to be climactic triumph is starting to just become a big filler ad that doesn't accomplish much of anything, especially when it comes to the Main Event And like yeah it's still Mania, it's still gonna sell a bajillion tickets because it's Mania... but it's really losing what made it WrestleMania imo Know what it reminds me of? Mortal Kombat Conquest ended on Shao Kahn murdering the entire cast... and then the plan for season 2 before they were last minute cancelled was to undo it then have him kill the entire cast again at the end of season 2. That is Roman Reigns.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 3, 2023 3:25:18 GMT -5
I'm still beside myself that WWE does like four serious months of build to Mania, calls the Rumble the start of the Road to Mania, and then has a complete filler PPV in Elimination Chamber for Mania... just for the Main Event of the show to be a f***ing punch to the nuts and a "Find out what happens tomorrow!" Imagine writing a show like this where you get to a Season Finale, they kill the main character and the villain wins... but it's been renewed for two more seasons, and they were well aware of that, they just did it anyway and said "Keep watching it'll be cool"... just absolutely dumbfounded that "The biggest wrestling show of the year" hasn't really felt like it's ended a grand story since maybe Kofi won the title. The show where there is supposed to be climactic triumph is starting to just become a big filler ad that doesn't accomplish much of anything, especially when it comes to the Main Event And like yeah it's still Mania, it's still gonna sell a bajillion tickets because it's Mania... but it's really losing what made it WrestleMania imo Know what it reminds me of? Mortal Kombat Conquest ended on Shao Kahn murdering the entire cast... and then the plan for season 2 before they were last minute cancelled was to undo it then have him kill the entire cast again at the end of season 2. That is Roman Reigns. Pretty much, except we're watching it play out in real time. Every single hero who is supposed to end this just loses... and this was just the magnum opus Like really even if there's a guy who eventually does dethrone Roman and it gets a nice pop, who could care now? You had the perfect story in the Mania Main Event in front of (in their BS attendance numbers) 80K fans and you didn't do it... and there is no justification or defense of you not doing it there, with the most eyes on your product every single year, just to do that again and remind people why they quit watching, or make them quit watching because this was supposed to be a moment to remember and you made it a moment to immediately wish they never saw. The Bloodline shit was in some pretty dangerous territory for awhile now, calmed by Sami's presence and it being pretty fun, and then the Rumble ending setting up the story beats perfectly... and even with all that... they failed. That's just what it really boils down to. A fanbase burned by years, decades, of WWE doing the wrong thing, finally getting someone new in charge who is gonna change things, getting burned again, with maybe the last chance of trust some people were willing to give you, with the one of the easiest booking ideas and decisions in wrestling history... and they just failed. And no matter what happens next with this storyline or how Roman might lose the belt or how Cody responds, they aren't going to erase that failure or this moment, because while you could maybe, just maybe get away with this at say Money in the Bank, Hell in a Cell, Survivor Series, even the Rumble or Summerslam? You aren't gonna get away with doing it in the WrestleMania Main Event climax, a two night event, THE event as you bill it, completely tainted and overshadowed by this, which is also a damn shame, because there were a lot of good, some potential MOTY candidates across both nights... but when you fail this badly, this is what people remember, and all people talk about...and they have no one to blame but themselves tbh.
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Post by Totorob101 on Apr 3, 2023 4:59:36 GMT -5
I know im probably in the minority but i do find it an incredible thing how long and far his reign is continuing, you just cant see another title reign ever being this long again after Roman finally loses and i do believe once he does lose it, he might well hang up the boots as he has literally done everything there is to do. The problem is Cody really should have been the one to beat him but with him done, who on earth else is there to challenge him and for anyone to actually believe is a threat to him?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 3, 2023 5:08:15 GMT -5
I think this gets glossed over too much but it needs saying, Paul Heyman is absolutely trash at his job. Be it now with Roman or before when he was with Brock his entire damn thing is telling people, "You're a shitty loser who has no chance in hell, I'm literally laughing at the prospect that you think you might win," and then they lose. Dude constantly makes people look completely goddamn terrible because he never puffs them up or sells fear during builds or anything. He's always completely assured his client's winning and he's always completely correct.
Good example that has always stuck with me, preshow to Mania 32 where he was asked what if Ambrose won and responded by just laughing uncontrollably and then sure enough, Mox got completely destroyed so Heyman looked entirely correct to dismiss him as a joke.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 3, 2023 5:19:54 GMT -5
At the end of this, a month of misery for Roman ain’t enough. More like an entire year of his character suffering comeuppance after comeuppance. This is what I always go back to. The payoff rarely matches the pain to get there in normal circumstances but after a 3 year reign with at least three natural end points it seems impossible.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 3, 2023 5:21:16 GMT -5
At the end of this, a month of misery for Roman ain’t enough. More like an entire year of his character suffering comeuppance after comeuppance. Like, it bugs me that Cena feels so completely useless at this point with what a goober they've made him so maybe it's hypocritical, but at this point when it comes to Roman job that dude so far into the ground he reaches space.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 3, 2023 5:24:30 GMT -5
I think this gets glossed over too much but it needs saying, Paul Heyman is absolutely trash at his job. Be it now with Roman or before when he was with Brock his entire damn thing is telling people, "You're a shitty loser who has no chance in hell, I'm literally laughing at the prospect that you think you might win," and then they lose. Dude constantly makes people look completely goddamn terrible because he never puffs them up or sells fear during builds or anything. He's always completely assured his client's winning and he's always completely correct. Good example that has always stuck with me, preshow to Mania 32 where he was asked what if Ambrose won and responded by just laughing uncontrollably and then sure enough, Mox got completely destroyed so Heyman looked entirely correct to dismiss him as a joke. The only time I can think of where Heyman has made anyone look good was when he sold the idea of Joe beating Brock and seemed actively afraid of letting him near Brock again. It was one time. It went literally nowhere because Joe never amounted to anything of note on the main roster. Just absolutely miserable that he's been attached at the hip to the final boss of the company for just under a decade straight and in both roles he's made everyone who his guy goes up against look completely worthless.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 3, 2023 5:42:48 GMT -5
I honestly can't believe they did this. When would they ever get a better opportunity to end this reign on a big moment with the right guy, with fans so into the match? This was it.
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Post by ghost on Apr 3, 2023 6:09:35 GMT -5
As I said before, and I know I’m in the minority, I’m a big Reigns fan. This current character is amazing, so I have no issues with him retaining from a fan standpoint.
However, from a storyline standpoint, that was Cody being Luger’d. I’m sure he will still be over but they will never get the same momentum back. The story was Cody winning the title his father never could, and yes there’s still time for him to do it in the future, but this is the hottest he might ever be with the crowd. In wrestling if you don’t strike when the iron is hot then you risk never getting that moment that you’re looking for.
My guess is the one who beats Reigns might just be Jey. I can’t think of anyone else.
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Post by Legion on Apr 3, 2023 6:19:13 GMT -5
As I said before, and I know I’m in the minority, I’m a big Reigns fan. This current character is amazing, so I have no issues with him retaining from a fan standpoint. However, from a storyline standpoint, that was Cody being Luger’d. I’m sure he will still be over but they will never get the same momentum back. The story was Cody winning the title his father never could, and yes there’s still time for him to do it in the future, but this is the hottest he might ever be with the crowd. In wrestling if you don’t strike when the iron is hot then you risk never getting that moment that you’re looking for. My guess is the one who beats Reigns might just be Jey. I can’t think of anyone else.Nah, never Jey. Seth. Who then drops it to Cody, setting up a Roman return vs Cody program later. It'll all be too little too late, but Seth never lost, so has the story built in, and he and Cody seem to have the 'ever rivals' thing going.
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Post by King (Super) Dragunov on Apr 3, 2023 6:35:53 GMT -5
I'm just stunned.
feels like the all too familiar Vince Wrestlemania f*** you to the fans misery booking.
Just wow....
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