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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 21:49:07 GMT -5
I was hesitant to add Vince, but ultimately he did run the company before it went truly national, making it a territory, in my eyes.
I feel like Fritz will probably win this in a landslide, but they all have sins in their own ways.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 14, 2021 21:50:21 GMT -5
Fritz considering that not only did he do carny shit with the fans and the boys... he did it with his own dang family.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 14, 2021 21:56:13 GMT -5
No one comes close to Fritz Von Erich IMO.
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Post by chrom on Mar 14, 2021 21:56:14 GMT -5
Gotta be Fritz
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 15, 2021 5:31:03 GMT -5
Fritz went well beyond the usual shady lowballing and lies, and did so to his own family.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 15, 2021 7:30:01 GMT -5
I think Vince is the biggest scumbag, worse than the others all together. His worst may not have come until 20-30 years after the territories deaths but when you have your employees kiss your naked butt on TV or purposely embarrass a long term employee in their home town every time you're in the home town-your a disgusting person. Vince is not a man child, he is a child. His mindset is like that of Michael Jackson in thinking it's OK to do the things you do because your childhood was bad. In a sense you didn't have a childhood so you never truly moved from that time period and your mind acts like that of a child.
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Post by XIII on Mar 15, 2021 9:34:11 GMT -5
Fritz is scumbag of the year every year. I mean holy shit.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 15, 2021 9:43:11 GMT -5
I assume we're only doing '80s. Otherwise Rob Black could fit in here.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Mar 15, 2021 9:46:05 GMT -5
I think Vince is the biggest scumbag, worse than the others all together. His worst may not have come until 20-30 years after the territories deaths but when you have your employees kiss your naked butt on TV or purposely embarrass a long term employee in their home town every time you're in the home town-your a disgusting person. Vince is not a man child, he is a child. His mindset is like that of Michael Jackson in thinking it's OK to do the things you do because your childhood was bad. In a sense you didn't have a childhood so you never truly moved from that time period and your mind acts like that of a child. I've long been of the opinion that McMahon was one of the worst promoters, because he had the means and the money and the influence to change the way the industry worked and end all these shitty exploitative business practices, and chose not to and instead carried a lot of them on and made himself very rich.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 15, 2021 10:05:59 GMT -5
Fritz
Say whatever you want about Vince and the kiss my ass club. That does not compare to using your children’s death for your own benefit. You pushed your kids into an early grave and when one went down it was "next man up"
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Post by genericusername on Mar 15, 2021 10:18:08 GMT -5
Fritz is the most scummy on a personal level given what he did to his family.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 15, 2021 10:37:48 GMT -5
Vince is the most successful Carny. And yes, he has a lot scumbag shit to answer for but Fritz? Dude faked a heart attack and pushed his boys to their deaths.
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Post by cornettesracket on Mar 15, 2021 10:46:55 GMT -5
Nearly all of the territory promotors from back in the day had if not scummy behaviour but certainly carny behaviour. The possible exception would be Sam Muchnick who seems to have run a good ship and was trusted by most everyone.
But to answer the poll, yeah Fritz is lengths ahead of all of them. I’ve only watched that press conference at the hospital a couple of times but even thinking about it now it’s maddening. I mean they had Mike Von Erich talking about getting back in the ring when he looked barely alive.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Mar 15, 2021 11:43:00 GMT -5
Nearly all of the territory promotors from back in the day had if not scummy behaviour but certainly carny behaviour. The possible exception would be Sam Muchnick who seems to have run a good ship and was trusted by most everyone. Paul Boesch and Don Owen are often considered honest promoters too. Or as honest as a wrestling promoter gets, I suppose. But yeah, basically all of the others have got some kind of sleaze attached to them.
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Post by salz4life on Mar 15, 2021 11:45:51 GMT -5
If you don't think it's Fritz and haven't listened to The Lapsed Fan's comprehensive podcast series on World Class..... listen to all of that and come back. I guarantee you will think it's Fritz after that.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Mar 15, 2021 12:22:56 GMT -5
Why is Jim Crockett Jr. on this list?
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Mar 15, 2021 12:38:01 GMT -5
Biggest carny is gotta be between Vince, Jarrett or Verne.
Biggest scumbag territory owner is probably between Vince and fritz.
I'd say Vince because he fits both categories and left so many bodies in his wake, whether it was businesses, owners, personnel and most importantly his own talent.
I think Fritz was more of a scumbag father than a carny scumbag.
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Post by msc on Mar 15, 2021 14:24:02 GMT -5
Kevin Von Erich once said that his own dad told him he wished he'd kill himself like his brothers. He is on a whole other level.
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Post by Kyle Butler on Mar 15, 2021 14:45:09 GMT -5
Fritz...what else could we expect from a Nazi?!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 14:49:13 GMT -5
Fritz apparently also forged his dead sons' autographs on pictures he sold.
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