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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 18, 2021 11:20:31 GMT -5
More of a promoter than outright owner, but there are some pretty shady stories about Victor Quiñones that paint a very ugly picture of how he used his position. And, not that it really impacts it, but the rumor that he was Gorilla Monsoon's illegitimate son. Heenan: I don’t care what the humanoids say, I don’t believe you’re related to that piece of garbage. Monsoon: That’s uncharacteristically kind of you to say Brain. Heenan: I mean given the accusations and corruption he’s clearly Tunney’s kid. Monsoon: Will you stop?!
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 18, 2021 11:22:12 GMT -5
Yeah there's a lot of agents and promoters who are much nastier too. Ironically, and here is one of my legit beefs with Eric, he allowed some of said nasty promoters to harass a fan I know on his Facebook. And this incident happened almost exactly 2 years ago. I don't know if the thread was erased either. I doubt it. Happened like the beginning of March of 2019, weekend of a show in Rahway. I get that could be something that would turn you off of someone. I don't know what happened but I do know a lot of promoters have been fed up with fans trying to scam promoters or wrestlers so there may be a few of them that band together to try and protect each other. I'm not saying there is a good reason for what happened but based on all the time I spent with Eric and at wrestling conventions you can see that some fans really push it and it gets to the agents. Eric is very high strung, again based on reason I cited, so it may be possible that someone really did him dirty and he rolled with it and got other promoters to chime in. Nah, it wasn't like that. Said fan just asked who was bringing in (I forget), then another guy started telling rumors about her and stuff from private convos, and it snowballed from there.
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Post by hentery on Mar 18, 2021 13:09:39 GMT -5
add Ian rotten and rob "lol I'll pretend u said 18" Feinstein Thanks. I should have been thinking of Ian too. (yet he still runs shows, and RF Video is pretty much untouched. #KarmaHoudini) Can we mention Eric Simms for the "Vader Farewell Tour" stunt? Didn't he try to push something similar in Tracy Smothers' last months/weeks? I loved NWS, but must question when Dapper dressed one of his wrestlers like Golga and pushed him as an "original WWF oddity". But this was one show, and I think he changed it so that it was a tribute. Kinda like his Mortis/Kanyon knockoff. Can we count the indy wrestlers who dressed like Doink or Patriot and passed themselves off as the real deal? I must say, most of the other local guys here aren't carny to the wrestlers themselves, just colossal asses to fans and others. Only if you're counting undead rick rude
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Post by Bad Moon on Mar 18, 2021 13:14:18 GMT -5
If Vince Jr. is in this race then he runs away with it by a mile. He literally covered up a murder committed by one of his wrestlers.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 18, 2021 13:59:07 GMT -5
If Vince Jr. is in this race then he runs away with it by a mile. He literally covered up a murder committed by one of his wrestlers. I don't believe that for a second. Everything about that case screams botched police investigation. Vince has done a lot of terrible things but covering up a murder is way beyond the scope of a 2 bit territory promoter. I'm sure they interviewed him and all he told them was that he doesn't know anything, which was probably true
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 18, 2021 14:35:14 GMT -5
If Vince Jr. is in this race then he runs away with it by a mile. He literally covered up a murder committed by one of his wrestlers. I don't believe that for a second. Everything about that case screams botched police investigation. Vince has done a lot of terrible things but covering up a murder is way beyond the scope of a 2 bit territory promoter. I'm sure they interviewed him and all he told them was that he doesn't know anything, which was probably true Now, Colon on the other hand...
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 18, 2021 14:56:30 GMT -5
I don't believe that for a second. Everything about that case screams botched police investigation. Vince has done a lot of terrible things but covering up a murder is way beyond the scope of a 2 bit territory promoter. I'm sure they interviewed him and all he told them was that he doesn't know anything, which was probably true Now, Colon on the other hand... Yeah that ones flat out a matter of fact lol
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 18, 2021 16:53:52 GMT -5
Weren't there multiple people who mentioned Vince speaking to the police with a briefcase while Jimmy was doing the cannibal routine. The police may have done wrong but I don't doubt they had more than a little help by Vince in that situation.
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Post by jimmyjames on Mar 19, 2021 4:06:26 GMT -5
Refresh my memory on Verne and Crockett, please. I know Verne did shit, but I'm blanking on the specifics. And I'm not sure why Crockett is an option, he's the tamest of the ones listed. Of the rest, Jarrett was a cheapskate money mark, Watts was a racist and Vince is Vince, but at least none of them used their kids' demons and eventual deaths to promote shows. f*** Fritz Von Erich. Teddy Long has a story about Jim Crockett calling him a N&$#@# and kicking him off his plane although I don't know I assume it was Jr.
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Post by XIII on Mar 19, 2021 7:47:02 GMT -5
Not only is Fritz a PÓS for how he treated his family and his shenanigans running World Class, but the dude also worked a gimmick as an actual Nazi and thus exploited the deaths of a whole lot of people there too.
At least Vince had the good sense to walk out on the frozen nazi Heidenreich gimmick.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 19, 2021 8:02:22 GMT -5
I still say it's Vince over the others, even Fritz. Fritz exploited his family and their deaths - Vince is arguably responsible for deaths. Depending on where you draw that line, you could say he isn't responsible for any of them, or maybe just Owen, but there is a long list, that you could extend out to even include people like Ashley Massaro who were exploited and abused then ejected and just never recovered from the misery.
The sheer scale of all the people Vince has damaged and screwed over dwarfs Fritz, even if you can argue he did worse things to those specific few. And he even gets away with a lot of it because many of those people go back to him over and over, usually for the money. It is pretty easy to get okay with past exploitation if you never have to work again. But not everybody gets the HoF treatment.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 19, 2021 8:04:26 GMT -5
Fritz Say whatever you want about Vince and the kiss my ass club. That does not compare to using your children’s death for your own benefit. You pushed your kids into an early grave and when one went down it was "next man up" When they came to tell him about David, his reaction was "which one was it?" without a care I mean, this example just sounds like the response of someone who has been repeatedly traumatised themselves and has no way to deal with any of it any more. People don't become immune to trauma just because they traumatise other people. Fritz is a victim of himself too.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 19, 2021 9:20:49 GMT -5
Weren't there multiple people who mentioned Vince speaking to the police with a briefcase while Jimmy was doing the cannibal routine. The police may have done wrong but I don't doubt they had more than a little help by Vince in that situation. Only Snuka wasn't doing a cannibal act back then. Thought that was 1989.
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Post by Garyspivey on Mar 19, 2021 16:54:21 GMT -5
Lapsed fritz kicks all of them in the balls
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 19, 2021 17:00:43 GMT -5
Only Snuka wasn't doing a cannibal act back then. Thought that was 1989. I thought from various accounts it was Vince came into the crime scene with a briefcase and did the speaking for Jimmy as Jimmy was acting if he didn't understand English. My belief is that Jimmy was guilty due to a drug induced rage but Vince would have been fully aware of what he was doing. It wasn't Jimmy he was protecting-it was his business. It wouldn't surprise me if many years later Vince kept bringing him back because he worried Jimmy might remember something and spill the beans. Jimmy wasn't exactly contributing much any time he returned.
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