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Post by Dub H on Mar 20, 2021 11:19:15 GMT -5
Ok fine AEW you win, turns out matches like PNP vs Best Friends weren't a freak exception and I still do like hardcore matches afterall. As long as the phycology is there. Breaking lockjaw by rolling it onto tacks just sums up what I want from such matches. Yet for all the crazy action they still both had their characther moments. They also escalated things(mostly) logically. Compare it to Dustin and QT vs Buther and Blade where the high points were mid-match and the blood felt pointless. Spots like Moxley stopping the OWA by EXPLOSION with his legs and Rosa rolling a submission into thumbthacks are just wonderful uses of hardcore matches
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 20, 2021 13:31:38 GMT -5
Ok fine AEW you win, turns out matches like PNP vs Best Friends weren't a freak exception and I still do like hardcore matches afterall. As long as the phycology is there. Breaking lockjaw by rolling it onto tacks just sums up what I want from such matches. Yet for all the crazy action they still both had their characther moments. They also escalated things(mostly) logically. Compare it to Dustin and QT vs Buther and Blade where the high points were mid-match and the blood felt pointless. Spots like Moxley stopping the OWA by EXPLOSION with his legs and Rosa rolling a submission into thumbthacks are just wonderful uses of hardcore matches AEW somehow excels with their No DQ matches by having them feel important and logical endpoints for bitter feuds (Rosa vs. Baker’s match being the culmination of their bitter rivalry and Mox vs. Omega taking their feud to an extreme level).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 14:14:40 GMT -5
I can see an argument for it starting a little slow and not quite hitting perfection. If any of y'all think he snubs matches by giving them 9.5/10, then I strongly recommend taking that to mean that his ****3/4-rated matches are worth seeking out. I don’t think it’s a snub...I just think that Meltz has kind of denigrated his own rating system the last few years. 5 stars isn’t reserved for truly “perfect” matches anymore. And if the standard is now “historically great,” I think this match was there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 17:11:08 GMT -5
Meltzer went 4.75 stars. Little high for me. He said it was up there with Sasha vs. Charlotte from Raw, Sasha vs. Bayley in Brooklyn, and Charlotte vs. Becky at Evolution for the best US women’s matches. I'd argue that it wasn't 'up there' with those matches, it went beyond them. In a world where a lot of wrestling matches just feel like pointless gymnastics routines, this match felt like a f***ing war. Forget comparing it to other women's matches, this match was better than most men's matches I've seen in the last couple of years. I think the last match I loved this much was Cody vs. Dustin at Double or Nothing. As far as what is next, I would make Thunder Rosa the face of that women's division. Give her the title and eventually have Britt get a rematch and win the title. I like Shida, but Thunder Rosa and Britt Baker are close to being the best things about the company altogether.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 20, 2021 19:25:58 GMT -5
Two top tier women’s matches on Wednesday apparently, after I just caught up on NXT and saw that Stark-Kai match, wow. Good week for women’s wrestling.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 20, 2021 20:13:14 GMT -5
Meltzer went 4.75 stars. Little high for me. He said it was up there with Sasha vs. Charlotte from Raw, Sasha vs. Bayley in Brooklyn, and Charlotte vs. Becky at Evolution for the best US women’s matches. I'd argue that it wasn't 'up there' with those matches, it went beyond them. In a world where a lot of wrestling matches just feel like pointless gymnastics routines, this match felt like a f***ing war. Forget comparing it to other women's matches, this match was better than most men's matches I've seen in the last couple of years. I think the last match I loved this much was Cody vs. Dustin at Double or Nothing. As far as what is next, I would make Thunder Rosa the face of that women's division. Give her the title and eventually have Britt get a rematch and win the title. I like Shida, but Thunder Rosa and Britt Baker are close to being the best things about the company altogether. Yeah, I’m inclined to agree. Meltzers thing doesn’t bother me. It’s his opinion. But damn if this match wasn’t something special.
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Post by y4j1981 on Mar 20, 2021 21:05:52 GMT -5
not to get too far off topic but Meltzer's recent post on his ratings:
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Post by Dub H on Mar 20, 2021 21:08:20 GMT -5
Meltzer is extra cranky today for some reason but anyway the thread isnt about it.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 20, 2021 22:50:42 GMT -5
I mean not having an upper limit on your star system does make it rather confusing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 22:56:52 GMT -5
I mean, his rating system doesn't really make any sense, being an asshole about it doesn't change that. Granted I'm not sure why people are really that concerned about his ratings anyway.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 20, 2021 23:04:41 GMT -5
I mean, his rating system doesn't really make any sense, being an asshole about it doesn't change that. Granted I'm not sure why people are really that concerned about his ratings anyway. I just look at them as a guideline and nothing more. I'm not going to get twisted that he didn't grant this match a 5 star ratings, it's whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 23:08:59 GMT -5
not to get too far off topic but Meltzer's recent post on his ratings: See, the thing is, I like Meltz and his rating system DID make sense when it was out of 5. But, if this match didn’t get a 5 because it wasn’t “perfect,” then what are the 6 and 7 star matches? “Better than perfect” isn’t a thing.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 20, 2021 23:33:54 GMT -5
not to get too far off topic but Meltzer's recent post on his ratings: See, the thing is, I like Meltz and his rating system DID make sense when it was out of 5. But, if this match didn’t get a 5 because it wasn’t “perfect,” then what are the 6 and 7 star matches? “Better than perfect” isn’t a thing. IIRC it is kinda like, it achieved new heights.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 23:57:59 GMT -5
See, the thing is, I like Meltz and his rating system DID make sense when it was out of 5. But, if this match didn’t get a 5 because it wasn’t “perfect,” then what are the 6 and 7 star matches? “Better than perfect” isn’t a thing. IIRC it is kinda like, it achieved new heights. I get that, I guess I’m just saying that, when 5 stars is no longer perfect, docking a match a quarter of a star because it’s not a “perfect” match no longer makes any sense. EDIT: Like you said earlier, this isn’t a thread on Meltzer’s rating system. I just think this match deserved the accolade.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 21, 2021 1:54:14 GMT -5
I'll give it 5 stars.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 24, 2021 15:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Mar 24, 2021 21:55:02 GMT -5
See, the thing is, I like Meltz and his rating system DID make sense when it was out of 5. But, if this match didn’t get a 5 because it wasn’t “perfect,” then what are the 6 and 7 star matches? “Better than perfect” isn’t a thing. So the star rating system as I understand it: 5 stars is the match of the year, in the moment you are reviewing it, you are sure of this. 5+ is closing in on clearly the best match in the past few years/up to a decade. It's a match so good you know it will stand up for years with nothing to top it. 6+ match of the decade, they do not think a better match will come along in a decade. 7+ match of [reviewer's] lifetime. Best match they have ever seen and probably will ever see. 8+ and onward it will take generations and centuries for a match to come along that is better. And to start from the beginning: negative stars: the match should not have happened, whether through incompetence, injury, or insult to the fans and performers, the match should not occur. 1 star: the match was bad, but served it's purpose. Sometimes bad matches need to happen to get heat on an angle, a wrestler, or just get people ring time that need it. 2 stars: The match is fine, it's whatever. It's the nuts and bolts of wrestling. 3 stars: A good match, solid work, if it's the best match on the card that card wasn't disappointing but it wasn't stand out. 4 stars: A great match, probably the best match on the card unless things go really off the charts.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 24, 2021 21:57:53 GMT -5
See, the thing is, I like Meltz and his rating system DID make sense when it was out of 5. But, if this match didn’t get a 5 because it wasn’t “perfect,” then what are the 6 and 7 star matches? “Better than perfect” isn’t a thing. So the star rating system as I understand it: 5 stars is the match of the year, in the moment you are reviewing it, you are sure of this. 5+ is closing in on clearly the best match in the past few years/up to a decade. It's a match so good you know it will stand up for years with nothing to top it. 6+ match of the decade, they do not think a better match will come along in a decade. 7+ match of [reviewer's] lifetime. Best match they have ever seen and probably will ever see. 8+ and onward it will take generations and centuries for a match to come along that is better. And to start from the beginning: negative stars: the match should not have happened, whether through incompetence, injury, or insult to the fans and performers, the match should not occur. 1 star: the match was bad, but served it's purpose. Sometimes bad matches need to happen to get heat on an angle, a wrestler, or just get people ring time that need it. 2 stars: The match is fine, it's whatever. It's the nuts and bolts of wrestling. 3 stars: A good match, solid work, if it's the best match on the card that card wasn't disappointing but it wasn't stand out. 4 stars: A great match, probably the best match on the card unless things go really off the charts. This seems correct to me. I seriously wonder if Meltzer started going past 5 because he wants it on record which matches he thinks are truly the all-time best after he eventually retires.
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Post by Sam Punk on Mar 27, 2021 0:48:37 GMT -5
It was a quality match.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 27, 2021 8:14:34 GMT -5
So the star rating system as I understand it: 5 stars is the match of the year, in the moment you are reviewing it, you are sure of this. 5+ is closing in on clearly the best match in the past few years/up to a decade. It's a match so good you know it will stand up for years with nothing to top it. 6+ match of the decade, they do not think a better match will come along in a decade. 7+ match of [reviewer's] lifetime. Best match they have ever seen and probably will ever see. 8+ and onward it will take generations and centuries for a match to come along that is better. And to start from the beginning: negative stars: the match should not have happened, whether through incompetence, injury, or insult to the fans and performers, the match should not occur. 1 star: the match was bad, but served it's purpose. Sometimes bad matches need to happen to get heat on an angle, a wrestler, or just get people ring time that need it. 2 stars: The match is fine, it's whatever. It's the nuts and bolts of wrestling. 3 stars: A good match, solid work, if it's the best match on the card that card wasn't disappointing but it wasn't stand out. 4 stars: A great match, probably the best match on the card unless things go really off the charts. This seems correct to me. I seriously wonder if Meltzer started going past 5 because he wants it on record which matches he thinks are truly the all-time best after he eventually retires. He definitely does it way way more frequently the last few years, but he did give matches in 1989 and 1994 6 stars as well. Then 5 was the most until Omega-Okada.
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