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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 27, 2021 16:16:58 GMT -5
So the star rating system as I understand it: 5 stars is the match of the year, in the moment you are reviewing it, you are sure of this. 5+ is closing in on clearly the best match in the past few years/up to a decade. It's a match so good you know it will stand up for years with nothing to top it. 6+ match of the decade, they do not think a better match will come along in a decade. 7+ match of [reviewer's] lifetime. Best match they have ever seen and probably will ever see. 8+ and onward it will take generations and centuries for a match to come along that is better. And to start from the beginning: negative stars: the match should not have happened, whether through incompetence, injury, or insult to the fans and performers, the match should not occur. 1 star: the match was bad, but served it's purpose. Sometimes bad matches need to happen to get heat on an angle, a wrestler, or just get people ring time that need it. 2 stars: The match is fine, it's whatever. It's the nuts and bolts of wrestling. 3 stars: A good match, solid work, if it's the best match on the card that card wasn't disappointing but it wasn't stand out. 4 stars: A great match, probably the best match on the card unless things go really off the charts. This seems correct to me. I seriously wonder if Meltzer started going past 5 because he wants it on record which matches he thinks are truly the all-time best after he eventually retires. I think career length may have a lot to do with it; Dave's given off-the-charts marks to things in the past, but very sparingly. I've always read his increasing willingness the past few years not necessarily just out of blind fanboyism for the people who he's watching, but for the acknowledgement that what he's watching is a defining era. As much as Okada and Omega are seen as his golden boys right now, they're both several matches behind Misawa and Kobashi in terms of most 5* matches. In a lot of ways, the way he rates matches nowadays feels really reminiscent of the '80s and '90s when he was giving so many stars and praises to AJPW and AJW; those were iconic periods for the business and left a massive impression still felt today. Last year, Dave gave ten matches five or more stars; he gave twelve matches the treatment in '92. I absolutely believe he wants people to know these matches stand in a certain esteem long after his time has passed, but I also think we're seeing somebody who has covered professional wrestling for four decades putting a stamp on this era as being the same kind of radical change for the business that will be talked about for generations.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 28, 2021 15:48:54 GMT -5
A differing opinion from Lance Storm:
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 28, 2021 16:41:44 GMT -5
A differing opinion from Lance Storm: Why would you post this in an appreciation thread?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 28, 2021 17:41:34 GMT -5
A differing opinion from Lance Storm: Lance was way too hot on this subject. You think any common fan is gonna be thinking about this shit? Britt came out and cut a heel promo, if the fans cheered her at the onset she made sure they were booing her by the end. Tony's been her friend since like their third appearance together, and as Bryan even said Rosa isn't signed and she did have an after promo which they showed on the show, so I don't see why that's an issue. I dont think this means Rosa has to respond or the feud needs to continue either, I just think Lance was way too hung up on this. If someone gets over huge, you feature them, and they didn't make it meta or awkward, Britt was just herself and cut a great promo, end of.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 28, 2021 17:43:17 GMT -5
A differing opinion from Lance Storm: Why would you post this in an appreciation thread? For discussion? On a discussion board?
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Post by Cyno on Mar 28, 2021 17:58:33 GMT -5
Why would you post this in an appreciation thread? For discussion? On a discussion board? Usually appreciation threads are meant to be positive in nature. Unless that's changed recently.
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Post by eJm on Mar 28, 2021 18:11:06 GMT -5
I didn’t watch but did Lance really say they were cheering her at the start of the promo? Because they were pretty much booing her throughout besides the “DMD” bit.
Also, yeah, we don’t have a “rule” on Appreciation threads but it’s usually not good practice to post stuff up counteracting that narrative. Not to say that video was the only thing in this thread but there’s no harm in making a thread about Storm’s views or anything. It’s just a better use of thread space, I guess.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 28, 2021 18:26:39 GMT -5
I didn’t watch but did Lance really say they were cheering her at the start of the promo? Because they were pretty much booing her throughout besides the “DMD” bit. Also, yeah, we don’t have a “rule” on Appreciation threads but it’s usually not good practice to post stuff up counteracting that narrative. Not to say that video was the only thing in this thread but there’s no harm in making a thread about Storm’s views or anything. It’s just a better use of thread space, I guess. He was horribly hung up on Tony saying "Let's give Britt a round of applause" even though when it comes to Baker it's Tony's role to be a kiss ass, it's their entire thing. He also thought it made the storyline too meta and that they were "Taking the shine away from Rosa who won the match". None of this added up to me, and Bryan was desperately trying to calm him down with logical viewpoints but Lance really had a stick up his ass over this. Even saying it'd be "Too late" if Rosa responded to the promo. He still loved the match, he just really didn't like the follow up promo, to the point I was like "Dude you're taking this WAY too seriously".
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Post by eJm on Mar 28, 2021 18:37:45 GMT -5
I didn’t watch but did Lance really say they were cheering her at the start of the promo? Because they were pretty much booing her throughout besides the “DMD” bit. Also, yeah, we don’t have a “rule” on Appreciation threads but it’s usually not good practice to post stuff up counteracting that narrative. Not to say that video was the only thing in this thread but there’s no harm in making a thread about Storm’s views or anything. It’s just a better use of thread space, I guess. He was horribly hung up on Tony saying "Let's give Britt a round of applause" even though when it comes to Baker it's Tony's role to be a kiss ass, it's their entire thing. He also thought it made the storyline too meta and that they were "Taking the shine away from Rosa who won the match". None of this added up to me, and Bryan was desperately trying to calm him down with logical viewpoints but Lance really had a stick up his ass over this. Even saying it'd be "Too late" if Rosa responded to the promo. He still loved the match, he just really didn't like the follow up promo, to the point I was like "Dude you're taking this WAY too seriously". Eh, Tony’s done that before a) he shows regardless of allegiances, he respects people as athletes and b) and it was blatantly there to set up everyone to boo her which they did and set up the rest of Britt’s promo. It’s kind of a weird thing to take issue with, really. EDIT: Anyway, this is a appreciation thread so let’s move on from the topic as a whole. If people want to discuss it in another thread, by all means.
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Post by lavelleuk on Mar 29, 2021 2:07:54 GMT -5
I love Lance but I disagree with him here. Everything in her promo worked from a kayfabe point of view, you can be praised even in defeat, and her taking credit worked as a heel.
I'm sure if a boxer or mma fighter took that much of a beating and were covered him blood they'd be praised both for thr fact they kept fighting and for how good the fight was
The hardcore legend himself lost most his big matches, and mr wrestlemania doesnt have the best record at that event, but both still work
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Post by Dub H on Mar 29, 2021 2:35:32 GMT -5
My one complaint is that since EVER,from the start to today
Britt gets 10x more focus than any other women.
You could build a lot of stars in the time you give her.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 29, 2021 3:07:23 GMT -5
My one complaint is that since EVER,from the start to today Britt gets 10x more focus than any other women. You could build a lot of stars in the time you give her. I don't agree about it being that extreme, but I feel like they could be doing more with stuff like the Waiting Room to showcase some of the other women a bit more and try to flesh out their characters more, since obviously, Britt's got a leg up on most of them there.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 29, 2021 9:31:17 GMT -5
If Rosa's "not even under contract" then I really have to question why she went over.
Vince has his hang-ups and all but this is sh*t he absolutely positively would never, ever allow to happen with any roster member who mattered at all.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Mar 29, 2021 9:47:05 GMT -5
If Rosa's "not even under contract" then I really have to question why she went over. Vince has his hang-ups and all but this is sh*t he absolutely positively would never, ever allow to happen with any roster member who mattered at all. I dunno, perhaps as a thank you for propping up the women's division for months with both herself and her students? To create a boogeyman for Britt down the line when she has the title? It seems clear the only reason that Rosa doesn't have a contract is that she already has a contract. Once the NWA contract is up, Rosa will be All Elite. The Good Brothers aren't contracted and they've gone over AEW talent several times. Kenta wasn't contracted when he beat up Mox and was on the winning side in his single (thus far) AEW match. TK isn't that hung up on contract status, it seems.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Mar 29, 2021 9:48:11 GMT -5
If Rosa's "not even under contract" then I really have to question why she went over. Vince has his hang-ups and all but this is sh*t he absolutely positively would never, ever allow to happen with any roster member who mattered at all. She probably went over since there is no real doubt about her signing with AEW when her contract is up. She's gonna be one of the top AEW women for years to come I think.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 29, 2021 11:37:33 GMT -5
If Rosa's "not even under contract" then I really have to question why she went over. Vince has his hang-ups and all but this is sh*t he absolutely positively would never, ever allow to happen with any roster member who mattered at all. Because she's absolutely signing when the NWA contract is up, but it's not up yet so AEW cannot fully commit to her And it was unsanctioned so the win doesn't count against Britt's record.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 29, 2021 12:26:27 GMT -5
If Rosa's "not even under contract" then I really have to question why she went over. Vince has his hang-ups and all but this is sh*t he absolutely positively would never, ever allow to happen with any roster member who mattered at all. Well Vince is from a time where you couldn't trust even the janitor of your promotion to not be a carny for absolute no reason. Everything is indicates she is gonna sign, could she back out and go WWE or NWA? Very likely, but there is a lot of trust she has earned with people all around.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 29, 2021 13:04:13 GMT -5
If Rosa's "not even under contract" then I really have to question why she went over. Vince has his hang-ups and all but this is sh*t he absolutely positively would never, ever allow to happen with any roster member who mattered at all. I like how appreciation threads always turn into not appreciation threads because you just can't have nice things. What sh*t happened exactly? Let's see, one of the best women's matches in the history of wrestling. A heel superstar was universally praised by the industry. A popular face who has become part of the AEW family went over, and although "not under contract" is wrestling this week again on AEW. So... what happened? Actually, you're right, this wouldn't happen under Vince McMahon. Because he wouldn't allow anyone he doesn't outright own the lives of to work for him, he would not allow women to bleed, he wanted Thunder Rosa to become a referee, she wouldn't be allowed to bring and work with her students, and most likely because she doesn't speak perfect English, she certainly wouldn't be a face.
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Post by petef3 on Mar 29, 2021 14:16:32 GMT -5
It's a discussion board. Unless the mods pass a rule stating that there can be no negative/contrary opinions in an appreciation thread, there's going to be discussion. Now, it's well within the mods' rights to do that if they do desire, but I haven't seen an announcement of such yet.
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Post by eJm on Mar 29, 2021 14:33:23 GMT -5
It's a discussion board. Unless the mods pass a rule stating that there can be no negative/contrary opinions in an appreciation thread, there's going to be discussion. Now, it's well within the mods' rights to do that if they do desire, but I haven't seen an announcement of such yet. I did. A few posts ago.
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