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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 18, 2021 3:41:17 GMT -5
Cody looked like a chump while Penta looked like a cool badass who was just taking the piss with him at the end by wearing the green hat. I refuse to believe that was accidental. Right. The people involved are way too savvy for that to just be a happy accident. I do think that Penta winning would have just kind of ended any reason for the two to interact. Now? It's a feud, and I think Penta's going to get to do what he does best: Being a charismatic sadist.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 18, 2021 4:06:55 GMT -5
yeah Penta "lost" but only in the "dumb heel poses too much when he has the match won" way, not in a "Cody beat Penta" way, and it works fine for Penta's character (who poses too much when he has the match won), and it leaves the door open for them to revisit their business in a really big way later
Penta El Cero Miedo is sleeping like a baby tonight, comforted in the amount of posing he got done, whereas had he won instead of posing that last time, he'd be tossing and turning wondering if he was losing his magic
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 18, 2021 4:12:57 GMT -5
yeah Penta "lost" but only in the "dumb heel poses too much when he has the match won" way, not in a "Cody beat Penta" way, and it works fine for Penta's character (who poses too much when he has the match won), and it leaves the door open for them to revisit their business in a really big way later Penta El Cero Miedo is sleeping like a baby tonight, comforted in the amount of posing he got done, whereas had he won instead of posing that last time, he'd be tossing and turning wondering if he was losing his magic Right. I am sympathetic to people saying he should give high profile wins more often, since, yeah, that's fair, though I am trying to think of people that ought to be with. He's thankfully a tweener, essentially, and can work basically anybody, but most of the people who people would consider high profile are in angles right now, and people not in angles would likely be dismissed as not being a big win for Penta. Guessing that, due to the likely Cody feud, he can probably get wins on Nightmare Family guys, but most of them aren't going to be seen as big wins. I fully anticipate him wrecking Aaron Solow and maybe Lee Johnson, too, in the quest to pump his numbers up while annoying Cody.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 18, 2021 6:17:30 GMT -5
yeah Penta "lost" but only in the "dumb heel poses too much when he has the match won" way, not in a "Cody beat Penta" way, and it works fine for Penta's character (who poses too much when he has the match won), and it leaves the door open for them to revisit their business in a really big way later Penta El Cero Miedo is sleeping like a baby tonight, comforted in the amount of posing he got done, whereas had he won instead of posing that last time, he'd be tossing and turning wondering if he was losing his magic Was him losing because of his posing a part of a change for the Penta character? Like "Here is reason why Penta is more motivated now." When Darby lost to Cody after hitting his finisher, it set up a longer story of Darby appearing in the rafters, getting another shot, Cody respecting him, etc. I wonder if next time Penta doesn't waste his time anymore after hitting the arm move. Btw, I can't remember if Penta has used the arm move in AEW. I don't rememeber them focusing on it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 18, 2021 6:31:52 GMT -5
yeah Penta "lost" but only in the "dumb heel poses too much when he has the match won" way, not in a "Cody beat Penta" way, and it works fine for Penta's character (who poses too much when he has the match won), and it leaves the door open for them to revisit their business in a really big way later Penta El Cero Miedo is sleeping like a baby tonight, comforted in the amount of posing he got done, whereas had he won instead of posing that last time, he'd be tossing and turning wondering if he was losing his magic Was him losing because of his posing a part of a change for the Penta character? Like "Here is reason why Penta is more motivated now." When Darby lost to Cody after hitting his finisher, it set up a longer story of Darby appearing in the rafters, getting another shot, Cody respecting him, etc. I wonder if next time Penta doesn't waste his time anymore after hitting the arm move. Btw, I can't remember if Penta has used the arm move in AEW. I don't rememeber them focusing on it. He has a few times, but pretty sparingly. He tends to favor the Penta Driver or Fear Factor (His package piledriver) as finishers.
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Post by sfvega on Mar 18, 2021 7:52:10 GMT -5
Like I said in the thread, that ending stretch just did nothing for me. In a span of about three minutes: 1. Penta kicked out of two of Cody's biggest moves (Cross Rhodes and Vertebreaker) and escaped the figure four, all with very little build up, 2. Penta hit the arm breaker, which Cody barely had time to sell before 3. Cody gets the quick rollup pin, using the injured arm. It just felt a lot like they were doing the moves for the sake of doing the moves, without the storytelling or psychology necessary to make it look good. In hindsight, it kind of felt like Cody was trying to tell the story of a 60 minute Broadway in 15 minutes, and the finish just felt like everything was thrown in at once with no room to breathe. I agree. Penta was just seemingly finding momentum the past month+, and pinning him really does nothing for Cody. Hate the result, but what I hate even more is AEW having more "kitchen sink" offense matches that end in rollups. Nothing devalues finishers and impactful non-finisher offense more than kicking out of that and the company (again) CONSISTENTLY relying on rollup wins. It's a lazy, terrible trope and it really plays into the hands of the people who are overly critical of the product and lack of psychology. And I really, really hate when those people are right, so AEW needs to clean that shit up fast. They have so much going right for them, but continue to make the most devastating fin8sher in the company be a f***ing rollup. You could have continued the feud any numbers of ways with DQ, countout, interference, some sort of time limit draw, etc. There were plenty of other ways to go than Cody pins Penta clean in the middle of the ring after he snapped Cody's bad arm, while using his bad arm.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 18, 2021 8:04:31 GMT -5
Just started watching Dynamite and this got the show off to a terrible start for me. The match was not good, seemingly just random moves strung together, and then the lame finish. Cody needs to go heel, stat.
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Post by markymark on Mar 18, 2021 8:16:14 GMT -5
Its weird how Pentas booking has been different compared to Fenix.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 8:29:06 GMT -5
I was the biggest mark ever for "Dashing" Cody Rhodes, but in AEW he's quickly becoming unwatchable to me
He basically no-sold an arm break last night
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Post by Bad Moon on Mar 18, 2021 8:42:25 GMT -5
Said it in the main thread, said it in a few threads really, but: Cody doing all of these "Oh, I just barely won even though my opponent looked way better" finishes is devaluing him more than it's making his opponents look good. His victories off that nonsense negate any amount of selling that he did to put over his opponent. It really exposes Cody as a product of pure WWE training with no outside influences or original thought at all. It's right out of the mid 00s HHH/Cena playbook. This was what the big stars were doing when he was coming up and so this is what big stars do.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 18, 2021 8:54:52 GMT -5
πππ doo doo butter is always gonna me laugh π
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 9:01:24 GMT -5
Look here AEW I am just asking you nicely this time to stop doing the f***ing arm break you are not built to maximize that move as evidenced OF EVERYONE f***ING NO SELLING IT AND TREATING IT LIKE OH IT IS JUST A MINOR THING!! so just stop it.
I f***ing hated it in Impact and I f***ing hate when I see it done in AEW...oh Penta "breaks" the arm and then seconds to a minute later oh the arm is fine enough to still continue the match...the young bucks complete no selling it still pisses me off the most when I am forced to remember it.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 18, 2021 9:04:03 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear they're setting it up for Penta to go over big.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 18, 2021 9:27:47 GMT -5
πππ doo doo butter is always gonna me laugh π I always got to break that shit out when I want to be petty ππ€£
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Post by sunnytaker on Mar 18, 2021 9:33:43 GMT -5
Thank goodness for the main event because if this was the headlining match of the night, I would have came away with a nasty taste from this show. well one thing i do notice with cody- the majority of his matches seem to end up being the opening contest or in the first hour anyway so the main event can still main event and then you don't see/hear from him again after. but he does seem to exist in his own little bubble where whatever he's doing seems in no way connected to anything else on the show or any other storylines. /sarcasm- but don't worry the heel is supposed to win the first matchup anyway in a feud to give the babyface something to avenge.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 18, 2021 9:34:05 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear they're setting it up for Penta to go over big. I'll believe it when I see it. No one comes out of a feud looking stronger than Cody even "winners" like Darby lose the majority of encounters clean then pull off a lucky win after which Super Cody moves on while claiming he never truly lost. Broadie was the only exception.
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 18, 2021 9:35:23 GMT -5
Look here AEW I am just asking you nicely this time to stop doing the f***ing arm break you are not built to maximize that move as evidenced OF EVERYONE f***ING NO SELLING IT AND TREATING IT LIKE OH IT IS JUST A MINOR THING!! so just stop it. I f***ing hated it in Impact and I f***ing hate when I see it done in AEW...oh Penta "breaks" the arm and then seconds to a minute later oh the arm is fine enough to still continue the match...the young bucks complete no selling it still pisses me off the most when I am forced to remember it. Some people feel too ELITE to sell it.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Mar 18, 2021 11:15:38 GMT -5
As much as the finish wasnt the best. You canβt watch that and tell me Cody looks stronger than Penta right now. Maybe simply winning the match wasnβt as important to Penta than to hurt him.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 18, 2021 12:31:48 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear they're setting it up for Penta to go over big. I'll believe it when I see it. No one comes out of a feud looking stronger than Cody even "winners" like Darby lose the majority of encounters clean then pull off a lucky win after which Super Cody moves on while claiming he never truly lost. Broadie was the only exception. Jericho,MJF ,Brodie(since you dont wanna county Darby,which Cody also had a lucky win against) all came off looking better than Cody.He also put Stark on AEW's map(I would say Eddie but Eddie would have gotten in against anyone). I do think we have had enough "gotcha" endings from him. And funny enough he did sell the arm when pinning Penta, but maybe should have used a roll up that didnt use the arm at all.
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Post by markymark on Mar 18, 2021 13:28:00 GMT -5
I would have Penta ditch Death Triangle, and have him go full heel, and Alex becomes his manager.
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