Gecko Watched Lucha Underground (completed)

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So seeing as this is the only thing in wrestling currently making me happy lol (and what little I get of my dear sweet Io right now) here is a gift in relation to that memorable insane dive.

Note to Gecko do not go to the comments on those...people talk lol.

[Gecko]

Surprise! It's a bonus midweek episode.

Episode 25 – The Way of the Drago

Recaps of
1) The Trios tourney final from last week
2) Drago, how he got the title shot and what’s at stake

Dario pauses before opening a door. More specifically it's The Door that leads up the stairs to the cage. He turns and goes on a rant at The Crew about them not winning the trios titles when he gifted them to the them. Hey, Goons, whatever you do, don’t go up those stairs.

Dario says he’s going to give them some real motivation and motions them to go up the stairs (and they were never seen again) before following them. They enter the room and Dario introduces them to …HIS BROTHER?! What? Right then, um…



Yeah, I’m not surprised you’ve got that expression.

Dario lets them know that if they disappoint him again, they’ll have to apologise in the cage to him.
*Don’t think of the Simpsons Halloween episode with Bart’s evil twin locked up in the attic eating fish heads otherwise you'll ruin it*

That adds another level to things. Dario knows who Black Lotus is, but how much was he involved in what happened to her parents? Was it his orders or is he just keeping his brother locked up for his own good? and what about Azteca Dragon, what's his whole deal?
Dario's chats with him make more sense now that we know the relationship there.

That was quite the opening three minutes. Between this and the ending from last time, they’re killing it with getting an emotion/reaction out of me.

We’re into the Temple and are treated to a new band: Sergio Mendoza Y La Orkesta - who will from now on be known as ‘Maracas Man’

Fenix vs Killshot

First chance for Killshot (ignore it if I call him deadshot at any point) to properly show off what he can do.

Killshot accepts a handshake to start off. Interesting, I wouldn’t have guessed on that reaction.



Black Mass! Oh, wait wrong wrestler.

Fenix catches him on the turnbuckle after this and then ends it with a Fire Driver.

I know I basically wrote nothing for this match, that's not a reflection on the quality: it was solid if unspectacular. You could see Killshot was a little hesitant at times and it definitely felt like Fenix was the one in charge and guiding things along.

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Dario has a point when he says that he knew he’d find Drago in the LU bathroom, he does hang round there a fair bit. Drago looks to be wearing a new colour scheme, I’m sure there’ll be a pic of it later. Dario gives Drago a bit of a pep talk and says that he’ll probably want to thank him after tonight.

Straight over to the LU locker room where Dario is now speaking with Puma. Bit of a pep talk to the champ as the boss lets him know that sending Drago away is a small price to pay for keeping the title and only a warrior deserves to be the champ.

As Dario is leaving he runs into Hernandez, who is not happy about his match tonight. Dario comes up with a solution to stop it being a 2 on 1 situation: It’ll be a number one contender match.

Oh, and Puma is still sitting just round the corner listening to all of this... and Dario is well aware of that.

4-Way - Famous B vs Ricky Mandel vs Vinny Massaro vs Argenis

Hey, Famous B is back! And so is Mandel! ….and Vinny …and… yep, Argenis. C’mon Penta, don’t keep us waiting too long.

And here comes…. Texano? Ok. Match is thrown out within seconds of it starting.

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Texano throws everybody (including the ref) out the ring. He says that he doesn’t know who it was that put their hands on him last week but he calls them out anyway. It took me a minute to remember who it was myself.

Dario wanders outside the Temple while on his phone and is approached by a random guy who says that he’s been camping out there for a week just to meet him.



After the comedy “no autographs / you have to get your tickets elsewhere” bit, the guy clarifies that he wants to be part of the show and introduces himself as Marty “The Moth” Martinez. Ah, I don’t know the guy (obviously) but I recognise the name.

Dario rejects him and goes back inside to find security to get rid of the "crazy fan" while Marty runs off to who knows where.

This is just one of those episodes where they stuff as much as possible in, isn’t it? We’re only at about the half way point.

3-Way No1 Contender match – King Cuerno vs Cage vs Hernandez

You’ve got to give Hernandez the win here just for the story going forward I feel.

Cuerno and Cage work together at the start. As is standard in this situation, that’s only going to last until one of them goes for the win.

“The only bad thing about Hernandez is that he’s friends with Konnan” – Vamp 

“MARTY THE MOTH IS HERE!” – Marty The Moth. I guess he found an open window to sneak in. He jumps in the ring only for the three in the match to take turns hitting him before he’s ejected from the ring.

Hernandez takes advantage of the distraction to pick up the win. Not a fan of Hernandez; being able to do some fancy moves doesn’t make you a good wrestler. He doesn't bring anything that you can't get better elsewhere and also there's the whole carelessness with the Border Toss deal.

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Vampiro sit down interview with the new Trios Champs.



Ivelisse (with cast) takes credit for the win as team captain. The other two take issue with it, Havoc claims he single handedly got them there and Angelico bring up his death defying leap from atop the office.
Ivelisse complains that he’s not stopped going on about it and points out that it was only a cross body. I mean, she’s not wrong but still… Havoc says he thought it was pretty impressive.

That is the tone for the remainder of the interview and Vamp struggles to wrap things up over the sound of them arguing.

So, we arrive at the title match. Drago has to win or he is banished from the Temple forever. Who wins? On the one hand I seem to remember somebody mentioning that their favourite look for Drago was in another season, on the other hand, this is still wrestling and ‘forever’ really doesn’t mean a whole lot. So to answer the question: *shrug*

LU Title – Drago vs Prince Puma(c) w/Konnan

Drago has red lighting for his entrance which matches his new red & gold outfit.



The mask looks great in those colours, the rest doesn’t quite match up to it.

Vamp still having a go at Konnan. It's pretty much a Bobby Heenan / Hulk Hogan situation with those two.

Drago has the early advantage before Puma takes over for a while.

I don’t know what it is, but the camerawork felt a bit different here. There seemed to be more cuts and movement which gave it more of a sense of urgency. OR maybe I’m just imagining things.



It makes you wonder how they think up some of this stuff. I think there's actually a story of Bret Hart waking his wife up one night cause he wanted to see if it was possible to put the sharpshooter on from a certain position.

There's a shot with the ref loitering in the background which gives me a sudden feeling that he’s taking a bump during this match.

This is just some fun back and forth stuff. Oh, a ref bump, told ya! It's weird the things that you learn how to predict.

What a great sequence. Drago goes for the pin but no ref!

Here comes Hernandez, but whose side is he on?

We still don’t know the answer as Puma was standing just in front of Drago and dodged out the way of the shoulder barge, unlike Drago. Konnan screams at Puma to finish it, the champ is hesitant but does indeed finish it and successfully defends his title once again.

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Puma is not happy about how he won (unlike Konnan who isn’t bothered) and consoles Drago.
As the fans chant “please don’t go” and “thank you Drago”, he disappears into the smoke (never to be seen again?)



But wait, there’s more!

Dario is waiting for Drago backstage. He doesn’t say anything, just watches as Drago pauses in passing to let him know that they will meet again. Drago walks off into another room and… explodes? I’m not that familiar with dragon biology, maybe it’s a perfectly natural thing. Anyways, that looks to be the last we're seeing of Drago for at least the time being.

That really is the end for this episode, I think if they tried forcing more in to it something would pop (maybe that's what happened to Drago?).

Post Episode Thoughts/Questions

- This is actually a pre-episode thought that I wanted to put down before I forgot (and probably won’t apply to today’s episode). The Black Lotus stuff: I’m going to be so disappointed if they don’t at some point have a full training montage with an appropriately 80s song.
- In all the scenarios I ran through, I never thought of the brother angle. It makes sense that there’s some connection there, why else would you put in the effort to keep somebody locked up in your secret mystery room?
- I’m still liking the live band deal and them switching every so often.
- Marty The Moth. Him doing whatever it takes to get a job could be a fun thing for a few weeks. No idea about his actual wrestling but, from the very little I’ve seen of him now, there’s definitely something about him that makes me want to see more.
- Tag Champs who don’t like each other is always a fun thing.
- Oh dear God, don’t let Hernandez become champ.

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Ohhh surprised mid week episode...f*** yes Gecko f*** yes lol.

MARTY IS HERE!!! I wont say anymore other than ohh definetly stay tuned.

You nailed it right on the head with what you said about the killshot and Fenix match but I cannot elaborate on that any further right now...in due time though.

Hernandez here to ruin everyones life by exsisting lol.

Gawd I love the end game build so many amazing things still to come.

I love that scene with Puma , Dario and then Hernandez and Dario how it was all seemlessly tied together in a single scene just further what I have been saying about how they only keep getting better with the camera work and the techniques you really begin to appreciate skip chaissons eye for the cinematic style that defines the show.

And yes DAT DESTROYER by Drago ...so chefs kiss and I love that we get one shot with the set up but then the camera flips to presumably give an even better and different shot when he nails it.

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So incase Martin does not look quite familiar and I do not blame you for not remembering.



He was on the Stone Cold hosted season of tough enough.

And in a not surprising at all WWE thing....they did not want Marty and this comes directly from the man who was the show runner on that season of tough enough my man EVW who I posted the tweet above from , yea they did not want Marty but EVW snunk his headshot in when they were selecting the final cast and basically got him onto the show in which he sadly ended up breaking his foot.

Oh and here is a bit of info for mah WWE peeps...this season of tough enough is what was used to test and ultimately get Raw its third hour....hence why this season of tough enough even though widely well recieved and were doing very good numbers did not get a second season.

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[Gecko]

Aug 15, 2021 13:04:21 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

It's on its way.

[Gecko]

Surprise! or not, I guess.

Episode 26 – The Best in The Business

The opening shot includes the moon and now I want a werewolf wrestler.

Recap of
1) Bertie and Mundo’s interactions
2) Hernandez becoming number one contender
3) The Goons failing to win the Trios titles and getting threatened with getting put in the cage.

Into Dario’s office where, after closer inspection, he is not in fact looking at a ransom note but sorting out the matches for tonight.



He is interrupted by Bertie and Mundo, who both believe they should be getting a shot at Puma for the title. Dario says that they are among the best in the business (aha!) and will get their opportunity at some point.
Mundo informs him that one thing they agree on is that they are both more deserving of a shot than Hernandez.
Dario makes a match between Mundo and Bertie with the winner facing Hernandez next week in a new number one contender match.

We’re into the Temple and quickly into our first match

Son of Havoc & Angelico w/Ivelisse vs Cortez Castro & Mr Cisco w/Bael

Ivelisse does the smart thing and takes the weight off her injured leg by sitting in the front row, this does mean she has to put up with the “Son of Havoc” chants right by her ear, though.

Aw, Havoc took Cortez to the corner and tried telling Angelico to go up top a couple of times, Angelico just tagged himself in.

What an odd botch.



Havoc then does what my research tells me is actually called an Arabian Press (split legged moonsault on a single rope without the split legs) to the outside and almost brains himself on the concrete steps.

You’ve been able to hear Ivelisse shouting all through this match, insulting her teammates more than anything else.

Angelico manages to stumble backwards near to his own corner and Havoc makes the tag. He opens the ropes in order to A – get in the ring, and B – make Angelico fall out the ring.

Bael jumps up on the apron to cause the distraction and The Goons take advantage to get the win.

That one was made more fun by the antics of Angelico and Havoc.

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Dario is meeting with Daivari in his office and is not impressed with having to wait for him to finish whatever he’s doing on his phone.



There’s that disgusting bull again. Close your legs, you pervert! ...has it always been posed like that? You'd think I would have noticed it before...?

Dario is surprised that Daivari wants to compete since he knows that Daivari's family is very rich and owns lots of property around LA.
Daivari finishes on his phone and finally pays full attention. Dario likes to watch violence, but he likes to inflict it.
So be it, Daivari can have his first match next, against Texano.

In the locker room, we somehow get a jump scare as Konnan and Puma appear from around a corner to surprise Hernandez. Konnan is trying to keep the peace, but is not happy with Hernandez getting involved in Puma’s match last week.
Dario shows up to make sure things don’t settle down too much. He informs Hernandez of the change of plans for the number one contender spot and also that he’s booked Puma and Hernandez as a team against Cage and Cuerno.

Delavar Daivari vs Texano



You know what they say about first impressions. He has the nickname of "The Golden Warrior", but I can't figure out why

Oh, that was fantastic! Melissa starts to introduce Texano, but he doesn’t wait and starts running to the ring, Melissa sees this, pauses, runs out the ring, and we get an “oh... oh shit!” from her.

We start off with a brawl… and we quickly end with a brawl as Texano pushes the ref over. Daivari wins his debut in record time! I made that about 14 seconds.

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Can’t really classify it as a match, but this kind of thing absolutely works just as long as you don’t do it too often.
They both roll around on the floor for a bit, punching the ring mat next to the other person’s head. Not a great brawl, Daivari ends it by clocking Texano in the head with a mic and fleeing outside the ring.

King Cuerno & Cage vs Prince Puma & Hernandez w/Konnan



Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

After this, Hernandez swaggers (I had to find just the right word) over to the corner and sticks out his hand for a tag. Puma tags in without any theatrics.

Cuerno and Cage are working pretty well together as a team… a 619 from Cage?! Ok.
I swear Konnan called Puma, ‘Pumbaa’ which is adorable.



That guy is definitely a wrestler. I also feel like I’ve pointed that out before.

Cuerno is bumping hard for Hernandez

Hernandez gets his dive over the top rope in, then blocks Puma doing his thing by strutting along the ring apron. He knew exactly what he was doing there.
Some more of Hernandez making sure to get his own stuff in first. It’s only a matter of time before they lose because they can’t get along.

And now we go from stuff that you could claim was accidental or a miscommunication into blatant betrayal as Hernandez pushes Puma into the path of Cuerno’s Arrow. Konnan conveniently doesn’t see this as he is currently threatening to forcibly insert his cane into Cage.

A kick in the face from Hernandez to Puma followed up by a Border Toss onto the corner of the ring apron (which as we all know is the hardest part of the ring)



Ow! What a display of bravery by Puma to take that.

Hernandez is driven off by Konnan and watches from a safe distance as Puma is quickly pinned by Cage.

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The betrayal was nicely built up during the match (I’m still waiting for the long predicted Konnan turn) but if Hernandez was smart, he would have waited so he could possibly get a hand for next week’s match. Now Puma could even just wander down next week and punch his opponent to take away his number one contender spot.

Off we go to the mystery training dojo of El Dragon Azteca where Lotus is packing her bag to leave and tells him that he can’t stop her leaving. He replies that he doesn’t want to see her suffer the same fate as her parents but if she can take him down, she can leave.

You know at the end of the first Matrix film where Neo fights Smith using only one hand? Yeah, that’s how this goes. Dragon tells her that her parents were defenceless, but she won’t be. She sits back down and starts unpacking again.

Something that I should have wondered before now is: what made Black Lotus’ parents so special that they needed to be killed? or were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time? Maybe they saw something they shouldn’t have? Hmmm, yet another mystery.

Alberto El Patron vs Johnny Mundo

Bertie is still the AAA Champ. Mundo still has a wind machine.

Second rope moonsault from Alberto and he lands on his feet. Nice.

I just noticed that as well as being sparkly, Alberto’s boots still have AR on them. He should get some tippex and fix that.

Nasty fall for Mundo as the ring steps are just in the wrong place for his landing. Although, another watch makes it seem like it may have been a planned “mistake”. Especially since Alberto doesn’t give him a chance and immediately dives on him. Huh, he actually broke the ring steps. Well now I have no idea.

Lots of counters from both, but Alberto hits the superkick and collapses on top of Mundo which is enough to get a three count.

Hey, look at that! I enjoyed an Alberto match. Nah, that was great, well worth the wait.

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A candle in the dark… a casket…. Oh!
We get a shot of inside the casket as Catrina tells Pascal Mendoza that the time for rest is over and it is time for Mil Muertes to awaken again.



“Death is defined as the permanent end of something, but for you, death is the beginning of a new life. The time for sleep is over, Pascal Mendoza. A thousand deaths are coming for them, and now there is nothing dead or alive that can stop you. Rise again as Mil Muertes.”

See, now the only thing that makes sense is if it didn’t really matter to Catrina and Mil if he won Grave Consequences. He wins: yay. He loses: he gains power somehow from being beaten by the phoenix and now has some part of the 1000 lives stuff as well as 1000 deaths.

Post Episode Thoughts/Questions
- Letting people act like people really does add so much. Why wouldn’t your ring announcer accidentally swear as they panic and run away, even without them being recently attacked?
- One of the things that current WWE is missing that LU does (and they used to do) is to not have all the stories going on in isolation. It doesn’t have to be a lot of mixing, but it shouldn’t be a case of “you’re in an angle with this guy, so you can’t interact with anybody else until it’s done.” Mundo and Bertie have their own thing going on, but they also want Hernandez’s spot who is also busy with Puma.
- Speaking of things mixing together, it really does feel like Dario has his hand in everything that goes on in The Temple. 
- Told you Hernandez would be officially heel before too long.
- Looks like we’re going for a fair while longer with the Black Lotus training. Unless she does decide to sneak away early. Aztec Dragon should show her Empire Strikes Back and let her see what happens when Luke skips out on his Jedi training. (second film reference for that this episode)
- There was a very distracting cleavage shot in the last scene
- I'm too lazy (right now) but that speech over the shot of Mil in his casket seems like it'd make a decent image.

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HE' BAAAACCCCKKKKK! and the violence is about to seriously ramp the hell up on this show.

And remember what I said about making sure to pay attention to all the things on this show....well this is one of those times with Catrina but it has all been the things she has said and certain delibertaely chosen words....it is why I did that little unfunny bit about talking to my self about if we should tell him but chose better not to.



I absoloutley loved the shot of Mundo and Patron facing one another with Dario in the middle of the shot...the ultimate manipulator at work so well done and more amazing camera work to tell the overall story.

And LU is now in an amazing groove and just about locked into what they want this show to be now because we are now up to 3 amazing endings in a row that constantly had everyone talking and all the guess work about okay now what comes next week.

Trios finals
Drago's banishment
Mil's rebirth-ressurection

Checks to see what comes next episode...and ohh so that little ole thing is the next episode lol.

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So here is my ...DID YOU KNOW ...probably not but now you do segment

This episode was the first time in the show we get an audio pick up and what that means for those unaware it is in short a post production voice over and it is very obvious when it kicks in and you first hear it during the Puma match basically right at the start and this ends up being a larger thing going forward and really helps flesh out all the stories and characters and the reason they do more of this going forward is because well...Vamp more so is not good at all having someone in his ear and talking at the sametime.

Oh and did you find it weird that Mundo and Patron had to have a #1 contenders match...only to then have to face Hernandez who had already won a #1 contenders match and the winner then goes to fight for the title...because if you did well you can blame supposedly but very likely blame a certain Patron for complaining hence this weird booking scenario.

[Gecko]

This is the only thread that magically has DVD extras included. Take that, every other thread!

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Oh and here is also a little funny inside baseball info....add it to the ever growing little anicdotes of info from the temple.

The creative team in LU while were in Vamp and Strikers ears...they spent 90% telling cat jokes trying to make Striker and Vamp crack and that is directly from Chris Dejoseph himself.

Vamp was not a fan of that running gag...Striker loved it though lol.


Oh and ONE MORE THING!

The temple originally smelled like cat piss because all the cats took shelter basically in boyle heights took shelter there

There was a homeless guy who was sleeping in the temple and no one knew untill about near the end S1 tapings when they were I guess shooting something and found clothing and a matress and other things that were all signs someone had been there recently.

And now you know just a little bit more.
The temple had no working bathrooms and no air conditioning....eventually both got up and running with them fixing the plumbing and people not boiling like a pot of noodles.


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[Gecko]

Good news: For the second week in a row there's a surprise midweek bonus episode! (maybe if I keep saying they're bonus episodes, they'll keep happening)
Bad news: With Summerslam and Takeover this weekend, it's possible there won't be a Sunday episode. I'll try and get it done, but this is your warning that it might not happen.

Episode 27 – Ancient Medallions

Ancient medallions, eh? They’re probably cursed.

Recap of Mundo and Alberto, Puma and Hernandez, and the whole number one contender issue.

That’s some ominous music to start us off.
Dario wandering back and forth in front of the cage holding a small bag. Inside, presumably, are the seven medallions of each of the ancient Aztec tribes that he says he has finally found and which he has spent half of his dad’s fortune to find. United, they can make one warrior as powerful as the gods.



What would you do with magic medallions? That’s right, you’d make people fight for them. Dario is in such a good mood, he even suggests that he might bring a TV up so his brother can watch.

Into the Temple for some upbeat maracas. Robert Trujillo is in the crowd, probably wondering if he can sneak some maracas into the next Metallica album.

Commentary highlights the main event, and also that Dario has a big announcement (concerning a certain bag of medallions?). There’s also going to be a debut by an unnamed lucha. Not even gonna attempt a guess… CM Punk in a mask?

Aerostar vs Jack Evans

Aerostar got a really loud reaction on his entrance. Evans spent half his entrance upside down. The crowd was also cheering Jack… until he shouted that he invented modern Lucha Libre.

Vampiro seems to like Jack as much as he hates Konnan.

In a shocking turn of events, Aerostar misses the kick up the arse!



I put a pause in the gif so this is easy to see: I’ve mentioned it before, but Aerostar using the bottom rope to springboard off when he’s running is amazing.

Hurricanrana off the top and Jack lands in the center of the ring. The distance is impressive, but I prefer the versions where the person just goes straight down. Looks more impactful.

Aerostar looks like he might have done something to his leg on the dive.
Vamp claims he was trained by Homer Simpson.
D’ya think Jack is this flippy in his everyday life? Cartwheels out of bed, tumbles down the stairs, somersaults into his car.

Easy way to get the crowd to boo you: tell them how great you are.
How to get the crowd to cheer you: Show them how great you are. A 450 off the guard rail gets a deserved “holy shit” chant.

What a finish.



When they were in that position, I was thinking sunset flip into a powerbomb, or top rope powerbomb reversed into a ‘rana.

Fantastic match. These two seem to work well together. I have to have a special mention for Jack keeping the crowd against him for most of the match while still doing all the flippy exciting stuff.
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In the LU locker room, Ryck is counting his cash in front of a curious Mack. Ryck (who is not happy about not winning the trios titles) says he knows that his cousin (I totally remembered that that was a thing ) only got into wrestling to show off his fancy moves, but Ryck’s in it for the money and somebody being family wouldn’t make a difference to what he would do to them if required.
Mack is far too nice for this. He’s like a big, cuddly teddy bear.

A whole bunch of people in the ring, Dario has demanded that seven appear in the ring. Currently in there are: Penta, Cage, Killshot, Cuerno, and Fenix. They are joined by Sexy Star, and The Mack. They all manage to hold off attacking each other long enough for the music to finish and Dario to exit his office.

Those seven will be competing tonight for a unique opportunity but very valuable prize. The prize is one of the seven medallions. It will give them a chance for immortality (actual immortality? Like in Highlander? What’s with all the film references from me all of a sudden?)

7-way: Pentagon Jr vs Killshot vs King Cuerno vs Fenix vs Cage vs Sexy Star vs The Mack

The bell rings and six of the magnificent seven () pair off, leaving Fenix on his own. The ring soon clears leaving the Lucha Bros to face each other.

This one is just nonstop. For the most part, it’s usually at least half the people in the ring at any time (yep, 3.5 people) which is makes a change from the standard deal of different pairs taking their turn in the ring.



If Cage really wanted to show off, he would have caught Killshot on top of Fenix there and stacked them up.

Cuerno got a good run up for the Arrow from the Depths of Hell. You could see as he was flying through the air that his limbs were moving about and it did actually give an impression of an arrow in flight. I never noticed that before.



…They should bring out a wrestling version of Jenga… or Buckaroo.

And it’s those three that are involved in the ending. Penta goes to break Fenix’s arm, Star stops him and gets a gorilla press into a gutbuster for a reward. Fenix jumps up on Penta’s shoulders, slaps his head a few times and hits a poisonrana, which is enough for the win.

That was just a fun chaotic one.

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Fenix earns the first medallion. Cuerno and Cage are still fighting on the outside with Killshot and Mack.



Look at that stupid bull, pretending to be a telephone. You’re not fooling anybody! Oh, wait, its hiding down the other end of the desk. Also: Is that a tiny lucha posing between the phone and the window?

Dario meeting with Angelico, Ivelisse, and Havoc. He says that he likes them, but Castro and Mr Cisco won last week, so they get a shot at the trios titles. Ha, oh Dario, don’t ever change. Ivelisse still has a broken leg, therefore next week’s match will be a ladder match.
The trio choose to fight instead of a forfeit. As they leave, Ivelisse has a go at the men for trying to help her with her crutches, then for them not helping by moving a chair and opening the door.

Fenix in the lockerrooom. The lights flicker and go out and when a single one comes back on, who is standing there but The Undertaker! Sting! Catrina!



She says that Fenix fell right into her trap. He made a mistake when he buried Mil (She did tell him that was the only way to stop him), he needed Fenix’s power of 1,000 lives (so I was on the right track with my guess) to be reborn stronger than before… and now that he is, he’s coming for Fenix. He is just a pawn for death.
Fenix grabs Catrina, but she pulls a lights off vanishing trick.

Speaking of death, Fenix looks up to see:



The Skull Mask Gang.

No1 Contender, Pin or submission only: Hernandez vs Alberto El Patron

You can probably guess who I’m hoping wins this one. Or more accurately, who doesn’t win. I don’t think I’m getting what I want though.

Bertie takes a trip into the fans as part of his entrance since they love him so much.

A few minutes in and this match feels very un-Lucha and very much like a mainstream US wrestling match.

Mundo runs out, drags Alberto out of the ring and DDTs him. A strange coincidence since a few minutes before watching this match I read the thread about stars getting rebuilt and how Mundo became a great heel in LU.
I guess this is the turn. Maybe he got sick of the taunts from Bertie and then losing last week was the thing that caused him to snap.



I spent a few seconds wondering who the guy in Dario’s office wearing the LU mask was, before I realised it was reflections.

…The guy in the office is now Alberto.




Dario’s range of reactions was fun. Shock, happiness at Mundo, having a drink, realising that he needs to get the mess cleaned up.

After Bertie is removed from the window, he gets rolled back in the ring for Hernandez to make the cover and hold onto the number one contender spot.
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Hernandez is celebrating, Mundo Is looking serious, Bertie is getting medical attention, and Dario is standing at the new hole in his office wall keeping an eye on things.

A Proper stretcher job for Bertie, this is getting treated like a huge deal as we end the show.

Post Episode Thoughts/Questions

- Another thing that makes LU enjoyable is that they don’t hang around at the start. You’re not hanging around waiting 10 minutes for something to happen; by the three minute mark, you’ve either had a significant story point or are already watching a match.
- I did catch Triplemania a couple of days after it was on. It was fun seeing a bunch of people that I otherwise wouldn’t have been familiar with.
- Lots of superpowered people about now. Mil is back stronger, Dario’s brother isn’t staying in the cage forever, and eventually somebody is going to have all the medallions.
- More a WWE comment this one. Counting basically every named person apart from refs, I have LU at 44 on screen people now. WWE have released a couple of solid rosters worth of people since the start of the pandemic.
- The LU mask reflection got me thinking. You know what would fit in? A person wearing that mask portraying the personification of the spirit of the Temple itself.
- I enjoyed Mundo vs Bertie the first time, so I’m looking forward to what they can do with what I’m assuming will be a more brutal sequel.

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Mil and Catrina are back
Johnny Mundo begins the best run of his entire wrestling career
Ancient aztec medallions

Oh we in the thick of an amazing time now

sadface no sunday episode but completely understandable with all the wrestling this weekend.

And yea LU is great at not wasting the viewers time there is always something to get you right into the show

And now you begin to see the real change in LU the more mystical and fanntastical elements are beginning to be more prominent.

Mundo and Bertie really have surprisingly great chemistry but is only the tip of the preverbial ice berg for Mundo.

I love the touch that Dario is in his office when Bertie goes through the window basically letting the audience know that yea Dario is really in there scheming gives it a level interactivenes for the audience knowing that the boss is just there and it isn't just there for show but is part of it.

Oh and I am giving this one to you for free compliments on the house as it is not a spoiler in anyway because it never plays into anything ...but the three skull mask men are ARGENIS , RICKY MANDEL AND MARIACHI LOCO.

And I see you have caught what I was saying about Catrina choosing her words carefully when she was talking about how Fenix can beat Mil , she is so sneay but damn any trap she wants to lead me into I shall follow without hesitation mmmm I mean...what were we talking about again?

JACK EVANS FROM THE HEAVENS!!

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The camera work in this is so magnifico.

And I love how they make it out that Dario never even so much as heard this schmuck getting thrown through his window because he was so deep into getting his drink on lol.

And he is all just like.....hmm don't remember that being there.

[Gecko]

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. The gifs are a little off in this one, I think I forgot to change the frame rate.

Episode 28 – Shoots and Ladders

Interesting episode title. The ladder part is obvious, wonder where the shoot comes in.

Recaps of:

1) Marty the Moth wanting a job
2) Hernandez turning on Puma
3) Daivari & Texano
4) Trios titles, the goons and what awaits them if they disappoint Dario again.

Here we go, into the Temple with maracas man band and commentary welcoming us.

Marty ‘The Moth’ Martinez vs Prince Puma w/Konnan

Poor Melissa, she was a true professional to get through that without… well, to just get through that.



This is legit making me a bit uncomfortable. One second he seems like a happy friendly guy, the next he’s just creepy. I actually had a quick look at Wikipedia (and accidentally spoiled that he’s the champ at some point 🤦‍♂️) to check that there isn’t a ‘controversy/allegations’ section.

I don’t think this one is getting a clean finish, Hernandez is probably lurking about somewhere.

I see the Trios titles are already hanging above the ring.

See a detail in the background, get your memory jogged about what happened last week without needing a recap.



Yeah, Marty was putting on a nice guy act. He shakes hands with Puma and wants a photo with him, but as soon as Puma’s attention shifts, his expression changes and he attacks.

Konnan has been noticeably more vocal at ringside than in the past.

Puma eventually regains control and wins with the 630.

Solid enough in ring stuff from Marty, but the character work is the more intriguing aspect here.

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Sudden thought. Marty went from asking for a job (and being told no), to interfering in a match and now having a match. Unless I completely zoned out and missed it, we seem to have skipped some sort of segment with Dario changing his mind, which leads me to wonder: Is Marty supposed to be there right now? Is Dario so distracted by something that Marty can sneak in and pretend to have been hired? Or is there a boring, mundane reason?

Ah, Striker says Dario gave Marty a chance thanks to his persistence.

Why’s that camera man so focused on filming the stairs? Answer: because Hernandez is at the top of them.
Konnan insults him a bit and invites him to get in the ring so that Puma can take care of him. Konnan takes a couple of steps back… and doesn’t hit Puma with his cane. I’m telling you, it’s definitely happening sometime.

Hernandez thinks nah, I’ll do it on my terms, and leaves.

Sit down interview with Vampiro and Johnny Mundo

Vamp goes for the big question first, why did Mundo throw Alberto through the window?
Mundo says he came to the Temple to show he was the best in the world, there’s a lot of talented people here but none are quite as good as him.

Vamp tries to get an answer to his question again and Mundo says that he’s known Alberto a long time and he did it to make a statement.

Vamp now gets rid of his notes and suggests that maybe Mundo is feeling like he’s getting overlooked again, that Alberto came in and stole his limelight?
Vamp the psychologist has cracked it. Mundo says that he was there from day one and Alberto just strolled in. He is overconfident, overpaid, and overrated. Mundo is not thinking of Alberto anymore, he’s done. Alberto forced his hand, maybe he thought Mundo was just some dude in catering that he could slap around… and there’s there shoot portion of the episode title.

Mundo finishes by saying that he is the biggest star here and this is his world… but you already knew that *wink*

Into the office (with the bull) and Dario is telling whoever he is with that in order to appease the gods, the Aztecs used to make human sacrifices. He describes how they used to cut out the heart then throw the victim down the temple steps. The Crew, who he is speaking to, have a similar opportunity tonight. He reiterates that they really don’t want to lose again.



How often can you tell who is in the next match by their shadow?

Delavar Daivari vs Texano

Right, let’s see if this one lasts longer than last time.
It does, but that might not be a good thing.

There’s an edit that is obvious mainly due to the audio.
Daivari working on the arm.
This match really feels like they’re putting in the minimum amount of effort.

There’s Big Ryck, he attacks the cowboy to cause the DQ.

That was not a good match, which is notable just for the rarity of that happening in this series.

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Hang on a minute. Ryck… Where’s The New Crew? Did you dump them already for Daivari?

Post beatdown, Ryck forces the ref to count a pinfall while Daivari reclines on Texano and finishes his drink.

Loud booing throughout this, and some “you sold out” chants despite Ryck making it clear that he only works for money. The crowd visuals didn’t look like they matched up, and it just sounded a little unnatural so I’m guessing this was something added in post.

That’s one match a piece, both ending in DQ. We’re getting a no-DQ match next.

Into Dario’s office where he is peering out of one of his remaining windows. A hand taps him on the back of the neck, but when he turns there is nobody there. Dario goes and sits at his desk as the sexy ghost rubs his shoulder and then goes for the key.
Oh, it’s Catrina… To be fair, I don’t know that she’s not a ghost.
She tells Dario that he knew that Mil couldn’t be stopped and if it’s a sacrifice that he wants, Mil will deliver.
Mil wants to end the man that can not die. Dario says ok, Fenix vs Mil Muertes next week and asks if Catrina had anything special in mind? She wants a death match. (confession: it took me too long to remember that death matches are already a thing and not some crazy deal that LU came up with).

She then does a flickering disappearance… which is all I need to make a random thought into a full blown theory.
Catrina IS a ghost. The evidence: spooky disappearing ability, has an obsession with life and death. That’s all I’ve got for now, but I’m sure I’ll build on it.

Black Lotus walking along train tracks carrying her bag. She says (in voiceover) that she doesn’t know where she is, but knows where she must go. She appreciates all that he’s (Aztec Dragon) done for her, but she’s ready to fulfil her destiny: To kill the brother of Dario Cueto. Oh, so she knows that they’re brothers and that's why she turned up at the Temple to begin with.

AD is reading all this in the note that she left when a light from an opening door gets his attention. He looks to the silhouette standing in the doorway



It says: “If you don’t want her to die, you’re going to need my help.” And steps forward to reveal himself to be… Chavo?! That… I mean, yeah, surprising. But Chavo?! The guy who quit in episode *checks notes* 15 when he was attacked by Mil.

And we’re not done here.
Chavo having a drink with AD. He says that Dragon’s tribe, the Cuetos and the Guerreros have a rich history. (A history involving ownership of one of seven Aztec Medallions, perhaps?)
Dragon says that the Guerrero’s are liars (and cheaters and stealers (yes I know it should be cheats and thieves)) Dragon actually says the cheaters part 😊. Chavo says that they’re also familia and his familia is in danger. Dragon has influence in Mexico and can make it stop and in return he’ll protect Lotus.

OOOOOOOH, At first, I was thinking Chavo was related to Lotus, but that’s not it at all. This is going way back and is to do with Chavo beating up Blue Demon and getting told that all of Mexico will be after him.

Dragon agree to clear his debt if he protects her with his life.

Trios Titles Ladder Match: The Crew (Bael, Cortez Castro, Mr Cisco) vs Angelico, Ivelisse, Son of Havoc (c)

So this is obviously something of a handicap match, 3 vs 2 (2.5 at best). It has  a real 'champs are the underdogs' feel, which the team has kind of had all along.

We’re not waiting for the champs to get in the ring, The Crew run up the steps and the fight starts up there.

They fight back down to the ring, and Angelico and Havoc are doing ok despite the disadvantage.



I shouldn’t find it funny, but Bael just running up and punching Ivelisse in the face amused me for some reason. 

Havoc, possibly overcompensating for something, pulls out a huge ladder. The ladders have that Temple aesthetic and are all grimey and grungy.



Mr Cisco whips Angelico to the ropes… and over the ropes arse first into the ladder that the other goons are holding. He redeems himself by hitting a baseball slide dropkick into the ladder that Havoc is holding.

Havoc goes down holding his leg. Ivelisse probably complains that he can’t come up with anything original and has to copy her injury.

Angelico is the first to set up a ladder. That’s not going to be enough unless you stand on top of it, those belts are hung pretty high up.



The goons have Angelico sitting in the corner, they put a ladder between his legs and hit it with a chair. I’m not saying it felt good, but it could have been worse. They then grab a table to complete the set.

It’s Havoc’s turn as he endures a 3 on 1 kicking in the ring while his teammates take it easy outside.
Goons do goon stuff and get beaten up by Havoc on his own.

Havoc, look down. There’s a big circle in the middle of the ring. If the ladder you set up is not on that, it’s in the wrong place.

Angelico gets thrown into one of the boards on Dario’s office which falls off…



And we get to say hi to the boss again. Wonder who he’s on the phone to?

A bunch more ladders and tables have been set up on the outside.

How not to endear yourself to your boss who has previously threatened to sacrifice you:



At least that window was already broken.

Angelico puts Bael on the table and climbs the ladder… and climbs higher…. And higher…. And on to the office roof.



He is stopped from doing something crazy by a kendo stick attack from behind.

Ha, great spot (not sure it’s deserving of a “holy Shit!” chant though):

Vamp: “Flying Sushi roll through the window!”

The Crew finally doing the smart thing and using the numbers advantage. Two on defence while the third goes for the titles… Ivelisse is getting the sneaky win here, isn’t she?

Yet another “how can you not like Havoc” moment as he is tipped off the ladder, but turns it into a second rope springboard moonsault. 

Havoc goes up top, fights off Mr Cisco and shoves him down through a table on the outside and hits a shooting star press on Bael on the table. On the table, not through the table, since it didn’t break. He did come up a little short and didn’t land all his weight on the table.

The crowd are getting excited about something…. Oh, I see what it is in the background.



WOW! For me, that’s even more impressive than last time. You’re not getting anybody to catch you and break your fall, your target is smaller and not on the mat, they also can’t make any adjustments in their position to make sure you make contact.

Everybody is down, apart from Ivelisse who makes her move. As she climbs, Angelico holds the ladder steady, and Mr Cisco recovers enough to give chase. She fends him off by biting and slapping his hands long enough to reach up and unhook a belt to win!

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As the champs celebrate atop a ladder, Dario turns away from his window in disgust. Poor, poor, goons.

Another fun one with the exception of the Daivari vs Texano match. Plenty of story advancement as well, all the pieces are starting to come together.

Post Episode Thoughts/Questions

- General thought that turned up at a random time (Friday afternoon) and gets inserted into the next episode: It took me a bit to remember if there was any at all, but there’s no real backstage violence. Mundo beating up the Goons, and Puma getting attacked in the locker room are the only two instances that I can come up with without going through my notes. Dario runs a tight ship.
- Marty is a fascinating character. He legit feels like he’s unstable and not in an over the top, "wow, look how crazy I am" way.
- With a whole bunch of the fans wearing masks, in the crowd would be a great place to hide a debuting wrestler.
- Does Ryck count as LU’s Big Show? He came in as a heel, was betrayed to (kinda) turn face, and then is heel again.
- Lotus should have challenged AD one more time, you always succeed on the third attempt with these sorts of things.
- Random ladder match thought: With Trios titles, you could make it so that you have to grab 2/3 belts to win. It could add a bit more story to the matches. Could even make it so that once you grab a belt, you’re out of the match.
- Again, the gimmick match uses the gimmick, but is not built purely focused around the end goal. It was several minutes in before an attempt at climbing the ladder was made, and after that they weren’t constantly going for the titles.

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Welcome back we have missed you here at the sanitarium...it is all that keeps us sane.

Another killer episode with yet another amazing ending and really let The Crew show out in this one even in another loss.

What I love with the Big Ryck stuff is that they have remained consistent with his character...his motivation has always been about money so it makes sense if a guy who comes from money offers to buy his services he would very gladly sell out even though he seemed to be pretty noble after the cew turned him into a pirate and not wanting to hurt sexy star during that time but money is what he hears louder than anything else.

Oh you find Marty creepy now lol oh oh Gecko oh boy lol I say no more

Oh and the interaction with Melissa was completely adlibed as confirmed by Marty and Melissa themselves and also from Marty he profusly apologized to Melissa backstage but she loved it...and well a creepy history is born.

But speaking of more Marty here is a little but very interesting bit of info....Marty was originaly suppose to be Mil Muertes and he also had another gimmick but I wont tell you about this one just yet other than Marty suppose to be in the season WAY earlier but unfortunately during a dark match he suffered a head injury that knocked him completely unconscious...but there is more to this one which again I will elaborate on when the time comes.

Yes I agree that of the two Angelico insane spots this one is the more impressive one because of all points you made.

LU is SO f***ing good at the details that the window got Broken last week and played a nice pivotal part in the match this week but they made sure to board it up as to be like no one is going through it this week only then subvert that expectation soooo good.

I love how the Chavo reveal threw you for a loop..amazing oh the future it looking so amazingly bright when it comes to such moment oh yes.

Mil Vs Fenix next week and I FINALLY get to say something I have been waiting to say for weeks now.

[Gecko]

It seems longer than a week since the last episode. I will get back to midweek episodes, but I had another FAN related project to get done this week and that one had a deadline. Speaking of dead things...

Episode 29 – Fight to the Death

I overlooked one small detail regarding the Mil Muertes return: We’re getting another Mil vs Fenix match! 

Recap of
1) The death and rebirth of Mil Muertes
2) Hernandez and Puma
3) Mundo and Alberto’s Rockers break up re-enactment.

We’re outside and it’s daylight. So normal yet so odd.
Black Lotus is wandering along when suddenly Chavo jumps out from a factory/warehouse. He explains that Dragon Azteca wants her protected. She should also get her revenge the right way: in the ring with the whole world watching. Chavo’s grandfather was there the day that her parents were killed, and the Guerreros hate the Cuetos too.

Maracas man is gone and the new band is Los Rayobacks, they kind of sound like Metallica.

Vamp has escaped from prison again (he was also wearing that for GC)



There’s hiding in plain sight and then there’s just taking the piss.

Oh yeah, we’ve got a title match tonight as well.

Aerostar vs Johnny Mundo

The crowd weren’t completely against Mundo, until he showed his aggressive side and kept kicking Aerostar when he was down, then they turned on him. Even then, he still had pockets of support.

Aerostar hits a 619 but going above the ropes instead of in between them. He follows up with a terrible springboard splash.

Vamp mentions that there’s a drinking game for every time he says ‘brother’ and goes into a quick ‘brotherbrotherbrotherbrotherbrotherbrother’.

Mundo picks up the win.

That was nice outing for Mundo to show off his new attitude. It was slower and more ground based with not as much flippy stuff.

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Vampiro interview with Sexy Star

He asks why she stopped Penta from breaking Super Fly’s arm. She says Penta is nothing but a bully, but she’s not afraid of him. When Vamp asks if she’s afraid what he could do to her, she asks if he would be asking that if she was a guy.

She hasn’t heard from Super Fly since he lost his mask but he’s in rehab for his arm and it was hard for her not being able to stop the arm snap happening.

She basically says that the win over Penta was great and she hoped she inspired young girls to not be afraid.

Vamp reveals that there will be a submission rematch between her and Penta. She says that Penta has never seen what submissions she knows and the thing between them ends next week.

LU Title: Hernandez vs Prince Puma(c) w/Konnan

Right, this is the perfect time for a Konnan betrayal, yes?

Puma uses his speed and agility to keep the advantage in the early part of the match.

Konnan: “Let him blow up, he’s got no conditioning.” Isn’t that Homer’s strategy when he takes up boxing: wait until they get tired from hitting you?



Hernandez can’t believe it

Hey, it looks like Dario got his window fixed.



That doesn’t look like it was fun to take and try to land it safely

Konnan up on the apron, Puma grabs a chair while the ref is distracted. Unless this is an Eddie Guerrero style trick, this isn’t the way I saw this one going.



Nope, not an Eddie trick. Repeatedly pausing it to try and get a decent shot showed that it was done very safely, Hernandez hit the chair with his hands and his head never came anywhere close to it. Watching at full speed, they switch cameras at the perfect point so that you can’t tell.

They both are down outside after Puma hits a handspring, over the top, corkscrew, twirly dive.

Hernandez hits the Border Toss onto the ring apron then wastes a bunch of time before he goes for a second one. Puma fights him off and creates some space. Puma runs at Hernandez, gets thrown over his head, somehow lands on the railing and balances then comes back with a corkscrew moonsault.

Puma misses the 630 and hits the mat with a solid sounding thump.

Oooh, they had me on that one, I thought it was over. Hernandez can’t believe this either.

Puma finally hits the 630 and pins Hernandez to retain.

That was better than I was expecting, it drew me in and felt like either person could be winning.

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That’s six title defences for Puma: Fenix, Cage (DQ win), Cage (Street fight), Cuerno, Drago, & Hernandez

No time to rest because…

Death Match: Fenix vs Mil Muertes w/Catrina & Skull Mask Gang



Bit of a different look for Mil. It’s a big improvement over the blue stripes and doing stuff with the eyes is almost always interesting.

Fenix not waiting around, dives out the ring onto Mil whose only reaction is to take a few steps back. Fenix might be in trouble here. He tries again and gets a forearm* in the face for his troubles.

*I initially put ‘firearm’ here, we’ll have to see if that was a typo or a spoiler.

Mil has that early Taker thing of nothing really affecting him, thankfully he’s not got the speed or moveset of early Taker.



Apart from a (much fancier and more painful looking) chokeslam.



There’s even the manager with the mystical thingamabob… and the SMG as the replacement druids. Does Mil have a brother by any chance?

Fenix tried his rope walk from corner to corner, got about halfway and just jumped the rest of the way.
Huge springboard moonsault to the outside wipes out everybody including the cameraman.

Oooh. Nasty chairshot straight to the head of Fenix.



A little odd to say, but the Skullies are doing a good job of following Catrina around. Commentary is mentioning them circling the ring (counter-clockwise). There must be something in it for them to draw attention to it but it's not obvious at this point.



Meanwhile, Fenix is managing to get some offence in. It doesn’t last long. Mil kicks out at one, hiptoss over the top rope and then a crossbody from the top to the outside by Mil!

Another headshot from a chair, Mil picks Fenix up on his shoulders and literally runs up the steps!



The Mil Muertes workout: Find a luchador, beat them unconscious, run up some steps while carrying them.

A slight "nooooo, they wouldn't...?" moment from me. There are windows at the top of the steps and I thought Mil was just building momentum to throw Fenix through the window.

This isn’t going to end well.



Dario: “At least it wasn’t my office again.”

That… didn’t look good for Fenix. It didn’t look like the cleanest of powerbombs to start with even before all the extra complications that were added.

That’s an unusual aspect that you don’t usually see in this type of thing: Fenix ended up in a locked room. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it following a high fall. It's a good way to disguise the landing zone and give people time to get rid of evidence.

One kick from a Skully sorts out the locked door. Why didn’t you try that Mr Referee?



Symbolism & Cleavage

It’s an easy pin for Mil after that, as it should be.

It doesn’t match up to GC, but it was still very good and an excellent return for Mil V2.

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I guess one medallion isn’t that useful on its own, eh Fenix?

Mil signals to Catrina who crawls in the ring to lick Fenix.



Credits are showing, but we’ve still got a little bit more time. Let's go visit...

Dario and The Goons. He checks that they don’t have any excuses while fondling his key.
Dario's cruel side is showing, he’s making them choose which of them will pay the price for embarrassing him.

Bael falls victim to the last in, first out rule.

Oh... OH.... OOOOH! Then he really becomes a victim. The other two hold him against the cage and pretend not to be there as they get sprayed with Bael’s blood. I don’t think a local medical facility will be helping him.



Bye bye Bael. That was unexpected, you'd maybe think there would be a fade to black with some screaming but nope, we'll just show people getting drenched in blood as their friend is killed.

Post Episode & General Thoughts/Questions

- Can I get me a Gecko friendly Azteca Underground update/info/overview thing? I don’t want to wander into the thread for it for obvious reasons, and this seems the best way to get details on it.
- It’s been a few weeks since a Penta arm snap, I don’t like Star’s chances.
- The Konnan influence on Puma is subtle, but the chair use during the match indicates it is there.
- I knew that characters get killed off, but knowing it and seeing it in a wrestling show are two very different things. Other shows have done over the top stunts that should have killed people, but this was much more straightforward and got the balance right with showing you enough to know what's going on while leaving the rest to your imagination.
- There’s just no let up is there? It’s really ramped up and every week there’s something memorable happening.

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I can finally FINALLY get it out of my system...f*** THOSE UGLY PIECE OF SHIT PIN STRIPE PAJAMAS!!!!!! (breath) and welcome the REAL Mil Muertes and it is f***ing amazing from here on out.

I love the little touch of Mil's back piece being more spikey and frayed compared to the more elegent and put together version he had earlier in the season again really nice costume touch to show off his change along with the contacts and all the other asthetic changes.

There was actually more to the ending of Mil and Fenix but they edited it around from what I remember Mil was actually suppose to get him back to the ring and hit another flatliner and then the disciples were to carry him out but they could not figure out how to finagle that so lol again I may have some details wrong but that is the gist of it.

And more about that match if you thought when Mil throws him through the roof was a little off ...you are not wrong because and this is just an assumption Mil likely did not know he could step further out on the platform because apparently the rest of that space of breakable so I think it was just that Mil did not realize he could have stepped further out and also why Fenix twists sideways is because Mil did not want to throw him down and then have him go through the wall so yea just a misread mostly by Mil still looked hella f***ing cool though.

I could be wrong on this but I believe this is only the 2nd post credits scene in LU to this point something that thankfully becomes alot more regular in the future.

LOL at Konnan shooting on Hernandez about Puma should blow him up because his conditioning sucks and yes that was a real shoot by him because apparently atleast then they had some heat with each other.

And speaking of...Konnan he had a broken hip at this time and he was not a happy camper with having to walk those steps.

And yes the first official murder on LU history and a massive game changer because like you pointed out other wrestling shows do "attempted" murder but never can stick with it for obvious reasons ...LU changed the game with this moment and really helped even further put them in the realm of being truly a one of a kind wrestling show and it was done so well.

And also speaking of Bael...he was supposed to be re-gimmicked as a pirate and all the believers were gonna have eye patches and everything whenever he would wrestle...sadly did not come to be.

I could be mistaken here but I belive this was very close if not exactly around the time that Perro Jr died ..there is a video tribute by LU but I do not advise to go watch that at this moment because it is spoilery in that there is a person or two in there who has not shown up on LU yet.

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As for Azteca Underground this comes directly from Konnan himself.

“That shouldn’t surprise you, right? Basically it’s a continuation of Lucha Underground, but it’s called Azteca Underground. And one of the things that I made sure that we had to have was Dario Cueto because I thought he was irreplaceable. And you know, obviously if we had to, we would have had to find somebody,” he explained, “but he was available. Once I had him, okay everything else is gonna be way easier. And so the other guy that I thought I needed to have for connective tissue was Christopher DeJoseph because he wrote all those four seasons. So I wanted him to come on board too, and it looks like he’s gonna be on board. We’re gonna have a good, tight writing team, and I’m gonna have all that talent that I’m known for finding in this season. There’s gonna be a lot of surprises where you’re gonna be like ‘holy shit.’”

Azteca Underground is a show under MLW and will be run by Konnan...it is said Court is only on as an exec and not gonna be involved creatively.

The roster is going to be completely seperate from MLW's regular roster.

So it is basically if we take his word on it , this is gonna be LU SEASON 5 so yea alot of people may need to brush up on LU if they have not or in this case get through all the seasons first.

They are supposed to be taping on the 12th of this month in Tijuana and the presumption is they will be using Luchadors from The Crash but do not rule out anyone from AAA showing up as well since he works there as well....Konnan is a f***ing magician with all the places he is at right now.

I am gonna be treating it like I treated LU in that I will not be posting spoilers because I will be avoiding them.

Supposedly the show will be debuting sometime in the fall...what channel or streaming service is currently not known but I have heard through my grape vine is that they have a TV deal that is supposedly bigger than the Vice TV deal but that is yet to be announced ...if I had to guess I would assume it is gonna be announced around when they tape on the 12th.

[saneiac]

So, knowing what was coming, this actually made me laugh out loud last week:

Aug 29, 2021 7:12:03 GMT -5 Gecko said:

- General thought that turned up at a random time (Friday afternoon) and gets inserted into the next episode: It took me a bit to remember if there was any at all, but there’s no real backstage violence. Mundo beating up the Goons, and Puma getting attacked in the locker room are the only two instances that I can come up with without going through my notes. Dario runs a tight ship.

"That's right. I run a tight ship. No backstage violence. None at all. All violence must take place in the ring, in front of the audience. Absolutely. No exceptions.

Now, goons, if you'll just follow me up this dark deserted staircase, my brother wants to talk to you."