salz4life
Grimlock
Prichard is a guy who gets that his job is to service his boss.
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Post by salz4life on May 24, 2021 15:43:52 GMT -5
The Macho director wanted you to think Randy was a shithead and that's that. That was disappointing to say the least.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on May 25, 2021 6:54:13 GMT -5
This doc had some balls: from the apology video he did not want to make, to the psychological need for validation seen in people with absent fathers, to the steroid trial, to the hateful extremist views, it covers some real ass stuff that went on. I found a great deal of sympathy and contempt for him after this doc, which is exactly what I was hoping to feel. I'm glad they went into the ugly turn Warrior made in the 2000s - I had an uncle who has since passed away who took that exact turn around that exact point in time. One of my last memories of him was my dad kicking him out of our house because he started forcefully preaching to him. He always went on Warrior-like rants at family gatherings, screaming about gays and blacks and religious stuff we can't really go into on here. Man was dirt poor and bought into every manipulation to keep him dumb, angry and ignorant. Warrior was always kind of an outspoken dick from the sounds of it, but when you foster those thoughts and give the wrong people powerful platforms, it can ignite those feelings.
Hopefully the DSotR episode goes into WCW and his final match with Orlando Jordon. They need to get Chris Masters for that interview - he idolized Warrior as a kid, and meeting his childhood hero was a total bust based on how Warrior conducted himself for that show.
The main positive takeaway was the love he had for those little girls. Warrior's dad left him right around the same age that he left his daughters, but the love he shared with them is the difference. That's the inspirational message behind this entire doc - do not abandon your children, love them and care for them 'til your last breath.
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Legion
Fry's dog Seymour
Amy Pond's #1 fan
Hail Hydra!
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Post by Legion on May 25, 2021 7:46:02 GMT -5
Perhaps her being conservative opened a door for him to the much more extreme alt right? Perhaps she was also taken in by all that stuff at the time too? Perhaps they mellowed as they got older and their kids grew up? Perhaps they both shared those views then and she still has them now but she cynically claims otherwise for the pay day? We'll never know. I felt that documentary did a good job of contextualising some of his actions and presented a decent balance of 'he was not always a good man, but he also wasnt always in a good place' so that you could find yourself still respecting the character and the nostalgia, even if the man behind the facepaint was flawed and scummy. Definitely one of the best of this batch, and I look forward to seeing how the DSotR one measures up.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 25, 2021 11:38:32 GMT -5
I just saw the macho man one that everyone was complaining about. Seemed fine. Don’t know what everyone was going on about a hit piece. Most of it stuff we already knew about Liz and his mid life crisis in wcw and beyond. Ended on a sweet note with him accepting his aging and finding his first love and “dying in the most macho man way ever” as that one guy put it.
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Post by fortknox on May 27, 2021 8:26:11 GMT -5
I hate this talk of "he hated his father". Just because you don't get along with your parents doesn't mean you can't mourn. I can see someone mourning because they never got the chance to know or reconcile.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on May 27, 2021 10:17:43 GMT -5
I hate this talk of "he hated his father". Just because you don't get along with your parents doesn't mean you can't mourn. I can see someone mourning because they never got the chance to know or reconcile. I’m sure it stems from the fact that Vince hated his abusive stepdad and thought to himself “well I hated him and I didn’t mourn HIS loss, so why would anyone else wanna do that??” Most billionaire CEOs lack empathy too, so yeah.
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Mecca
Wade Wilson
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Post by Mecca on May 27, 2021 16:13:52 GMT -5
I hate this talk of "he hated his father". Just because you don't get along with your parents doesn't mean you can't mourn. I can see someone mourning because they never got the chance to know or reconcile. I’m sure it stems from the fact that Vince hated his abusive stepdad and thought to himself “well I hated him and I didn’t mourn HIS loss, so why would anyone else wanna do that??” Most billionaire CEOs lack empathy too, so yeah. I actually belly laughed when Vince basically called him a giant piece of shit for his contract demands...yet Vince treats talent like zoo animals..stunning he doesn't like being on the other end.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 31, 2021 3:58:23 GMT -5
Mick foley had a 4th kid? I’m really surprised he named him Mickey instead of Louie considered the first two were Huey and Dewey
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 31, 2021 4:03:13 GMT -5
Watching this mick foley story, and while I already knew from the books and dvds, it just amazing seeing how good a guy this guy was and how good it feels to see him make it out of wrestling alive and in good health without any drug problems, divorce or kids who resent him
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 31, 2021 4:07:16 GMT -5
Watching this hidden gems special right after it looks like the dark side of the ring came early for Jake the snake cause it starts dark and turns into a little Jake the snake doc
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Legion
Fry's dog Seymour
Amy Pond's #1 fan
Hail Hydra!
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Post by Legion on May 31, 2021 18:01:41 GMT -5
Nothing really new in this weeks episode focussing on Foley, but it was a decent documentary.
The ones WWE have done themselves have been more detailed but I liked how this one came right up to date and it ended on a positive note.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 31, 2021 18:02:46 GMT -5
And we are left with Bret Hart left. Can't wait to see this one!
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 1, 2021 6:54:41 GMT -5
And we are left with Bret Hart left. Can't wait to see this one! I wonder what else is there left to tell with Bret, since many docs have covered the bases (face of the New Generation, heel turn, the Screwjob, WCW run and career-ending injury, etc.) of his life in wrestling.
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Legion
Fry's dog Seymour
Amy Pond's #1 fan
Hail Hydra!
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Post by Legion on Jun 1, 2021 8:07:38 GMT -5
And we are left with Bret Hart left. Can't wait to see this one! I wonder what else is there left to tell with Bret, since many docs have covered the bases (face of the New Generation, heel turn, the Screwjob, WCW run and career-ending injury, etc.) of his life in wrestling. Finally confess the Screwjob was a work?
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jun 1, 2021 18:20:42 GMT -5
And we are left with Bret Hart left. Can't wait to see this one! I wonder what else is there left to tell with Bret, since many docs have covered the bases (face of the New Generation, heel turn, the Screwjob, WCW run and career-ending injury, etc.) of his life in wrestling. The DVD left off in 2005. So I hope there's tons of backstage footage from Jan 2010 - Apr 2010. Just seeing some more footage not seen from his last run with the company.
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 1, 2021 22:33:12 GMT -5
I said this before, I wonder when the Jake episode was shot. Jake made his first AEW appearance in 2019, but didnt become full time until 2020 when he managed Lance Archer, so I dont know if he was signed to AEW when this episode was shot (of course, the Jericho broken skull sessions interview proves that they have no problem with having people from there on WWE programming).
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 1, 2021 23:36:16 GMT -5
Watching this hidden gems special right after it looks like the dark side of the ring came early for Jake the snake cause it starts dark and turns into a little Jake the snake doc The Most Wanted Treasures in general have been at least slight documentaries to them. Really liked Jake's most wanted. The fact he could tell the bag was his by the way he cut the strings was cool.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jun 2, 2021 4:26:48 GMT -5
We were lucky to have Mick Foley; what a hell of a guy he is.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 3, 2021 8:12:51 GMT -5
I said this before, I wonder when the Jake episode was shot. Jake made his first AEW appearance in 2019, but didnt become full time until 2020 when he managed Lance Archer, so I dont know if he was signed to AEW when this episode was shot (of course, the Jericho broken skull sessions interview proves that they have no problem with having people from there on WWE programming). Jake MWT on when the Grizzly Smith DS is coming. Bret's doc when Dynamite Kid is on DS. Yep, A&E counterprograms.
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BRV
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wants him some Taco Flavored Kisses.
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Post by BRV on Jun 3, 2021 10:29:21 GMT -5
I just saw the macho man one that everyone was complaining about. Seemed fine. Don’t know what everyone was going on about a hit piece. Most of it stuff we already knew about Liz and his mid life crisis in wcw and beyond. Ended on a sweet note with him accepting his aging and finding his first love and “dying in the most macho man way ever” as that one guy put it. I watched half of it and thought it was not unlike VH1's old "Behind the Music" series, wherein it documented the sudden rise and dramatic fall of one of wrestling's most flamboyant personalities. But I didn't finish it. Then I read the reviews online and saw that people were perceiving it as this unmitigated hatchet job, so I got around to watching the entire thing and --- it still didn't feel like that big of a deal to me. One of the biggest criticisms of WWE's partnership with A&E is that these biographies are nothing but corporate-sponsored puff pieces. But the minute one isn't entirely that, people go to their fainting couches and call it a hit piece. When, in all actuality, the Macho Man documentary was just honest. Was he an all-time great wrestler? Absolutely. Was he one of the biggest personalities to ever take the microphone? 100 percent. Bas he a flawed, imperfect man? Unquestionably. The documentary showed who Randy Savage was, warts and all. Now, the criticisms about the overreliance on Bubba the Love Sponge as a talking head or Dan Soder's super uncomfortable commentary about the car accident are all totally warranted. But the bones of the show were there. It didn't destroy Randy Savage's legacy, it didn't ruin Randy Poffo the man, it just laid out his life story and said "Here, you judge for yourself."
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