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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 7, 2021 19:36:05 GMT -5
I listened to JR talk about the Harley Race high knee for what felt like decades with HHH. The guy clearly gets one older name in mind for certain moves and that's the well he goes to over and over again. Kox is clearly his go to for the brainbuster. Arn Anderson is that guy for the spinebuster. It's just a reference he throws out. My thought is that JR has been in the business so long that he knows unsavory things about pretty much every superstar past and present. He sees guys like Jake Roberts or Tully, confirmed drug abusers get glorified week after week on Dynamite. Stone Cold Steve Austin has a record of abusing his ex-wife yet every wrestling company in the world would hire him tomorrow if he was going to wrestle another match, and all of you on here would watch it. The point isn't that it's ok to glorify someone like Karl Kox, assuming he actually was a KKK guy and it wasn't just a gimmick that everyone here believes was true, but it's hypocritical if you're going to turn around and cheer for a guy like Austin or Darby after they've been accused of making poor choices. A lot of professional wrestlers and celebs in general have done things that they shouldn't have been able to come back from but they have. I'm not going to condemn JR for throwing out a reference that is applicable because of something a guy may have been involved with in 1960. In general JR isn't what he used to be but he still brings some presence to a relatively new program. He'll be gone in a year and have handed the reigns to Excalibur. I don't see how struggling with drug addiction is comparable to any of the rest of this. Dick Murdoch was in the Klan. Confirmed by his contemporaries. I don't feel comfortable even seeing the idea of 'confirmed drug abusers getting glorified', before getting into how gross a misrepresentation that is, even being in the same post as this other stuff.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 7, 2021 23:18:09 GMT -5
So, I tend to listen to AEW on mute because JR is horrible and Exaclibur irks my nerves on some nights (Tony is fine) but in regards to this shit, yeah JR should know better
You can't keep leaning on that callback with that history. If you know the history so well then you know what he was associated with and you're choosing to continue to use that reference because well f*** you I can.
I wonder how many people think JR is a draw to the product 2 years later. Sure at the start but y'all have no excuse now to keep trotting him out there and chalking up his bad days as rough days at the office while he keeps openly telling you kiss my ass I don't care
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Post by celtics543 on Jun 8, 2021 8:09:25 GMT -5
I listened to JR talk about the Harley Race high knee for what felt like decades with HHH. The guy clearly gets one older name in mind for certain moves and that's the well he goes to over and over again. Kox is clearly his go to for the brainbuster. Arn Anderson is that guy for the spinebuster. It's just a reference he throws out. My thought is that JR has been in the business so long that he knows unsavory things about pretty much every superstar past and present. He sees guys like Jake Roberts or Tully, confirmed drug abusers get glorified week after week on Dynamite. Stone Cold Steve Austin has a record of abusing his ex-wife yet every wrestling company in the world would hire him tomorrow if he was going to wrestle another match, and all of you on here would watch it. The point isn't that it's ok to glorify someone like Karl Kox, assuming he actually was a KKK guy and it wasn't just a gimmick that everyone here believes was true, but it's hypocritical if you're going to turn around and cheer for a guy like Austin or Darby after they've been accused of making poor choices. A lot of professional wrestlers and celebs in general have done things that they shouldn't have been able to come back from but they have. I'm not going to condemn JR for throwing out a reference that is applicable because of something a guy may have been involved with in 1960. In general JR isn't what he used to be but he still brings some presence to a relatively new program. He'll be gone in a year and have handed the reigns to Excalibur. I don't see how struggling with drug addiction is comparable to any of the rest of this. Dick Murdoch was in the Klan. Confirmed by his contemporaries. I don't feel comfortable even seeing the idea of 'confirmed drug abusers getting glorified', before getting into how gross a misrepresentation that is, even being in the same post as this other stuff. Is Austin beating his wife comparable?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 8, 2021 14:55:58 GMT -5
I don't see how struggling with drug addiction is comparable to any of the rest of this. Dick Murdoch was in the Klan. Confirmed by his contemporaries. I don't feel comfortable even seeing the idea of 'confirmed drug abusers getting glorified', before getting into how gross a misrepresentation that is, even being in the same post as this other stuff. Is Austin beating his wife comparable? I'm not objecting to the Austin thing. I'm not happy when they truck out Austin either. I'm taking issue solely with demonizing peoples' struggles with addiction like it is any way opn that level, let alone a reason why 'glorifying' someone who has overcome those demons has any place in this discussion as a reason why one would think wrestlers can do bad things and still be seen in a certain light.
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Post by XIII on Jun 8, 2021 15:08:00 GMT -5
I’ll preface this by saying that I don’t watch much wrestling these days so I may not be in the loop.
Jim Ross was great in the 80s and 90s when it was still thought that the bigger that you are the tougher that you are. That era where it was a bunch of big guys brawling cowboy style, but to me JR doesn’t fit into the more nuanced era that we’re in these days. Combine that with JR’s near worship of Cowboy Bill Watts and it’s only a matter of time until he says something REALLY stupid and someone outside of the wrestling bubble notices. Dude should not be calling a weekly wrestling show in 2021. He’d be fine for a big match here or there but there’s no reason for him to be out there every week for 2 hours either. Also: keep him far, far away from calling women’s matches.
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Post by celtics543 on Jun 8, 2021 19:33:32 GMT -5
Is Austin beating his wife comparable? I'm not objecting to the Austin thing. I'm not happy when they truck out Austin either. I'm taking issue solely with demonizing peoples' struggles with addiction like it is any way opn that level, let alone a reason why 'glorifying' someone who has overcome those demons has any place in this discussion as a reason why one would think wrestlers can do bad things and still be seen in a certain light. That's fair, I was posting quickly and trying to make a comparison. It was a poor comparison and if I had thought longer I probably wouldn't have made it. Huge respect to guys and girls who overcome addiction.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 9, 2021 17:06:42 GMT -5
Calling Pac a "Welshman" was bad, getting arsey that his stupidity was corrected was even worse. After the Cody BS it pissed me right off.
Then he gave high praise to the women's title match - "it made sense". At least that means he can't moan about anything killing kayfabe or being unrealistic again because that was way worse. Might as well have said it was "well choreographed".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 21:04:06 GMT -5
"WWE Dynamite".
Yeah, he's losing it.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 30, 2021 21:05:44 GMT -5
I didn't want to end it on a negative, because tonight was amazing, but to end that amazing montage, with people emotional, with that horrible botch. It's embarrassing. I know they can't fire him, but they really need to consider him doing just interviews and taped segments.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 30, 2021 21:06:21 GMT -5
Seriously it was funny more than anything else. I just thought it was hilarious that it happened like five seconds before the show ended after the big Daily's Tribute
Like you were so close man SO CLOSE lmfao
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Post by Fade on Jun 30, 2021 21:08:16 GMT -5
Jr: kiss my ass, tony
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 21:11:37 GMT -5
Man he's been working there for way too long, and has been away from the WWE for way too long, to make that mistake. Terrible.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 30, 2021 21:12:59 GMT -5
No one on social media is going to talk about anything but this botch. After that tribute. He's an embarrassment to the company.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 30, 2021 21:13:55 GMT -5
Didn't he call Kenny the WWE champion only a few weeks ago, too?
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 30, 2021 21:15:14 GMT -5
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 30, 2021 21:15:44 GMT -5
For a guy of his age and tenure, I'm just impressed JR isn't calling it WWF.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 21:16:28 GMT -5
No one on social media is going to talk about anything but this botch. After that tribute. He's an embarrassment to the company. Agreed. Tony and Excalibur are more than capable enough to call shows together without him. Or add Taz in there. Ross is done, and I think this botch was what put it over the top. Great tribute, ending a chapter in the company's history (pandemic era) and completely shits all over it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 30, 2021 21:19:37 GMT -5
No one on social media is going to talk about anything but this botch. After that tribute. He's an embarrassment to the company. That's a bit of a ridiculous panic. Yeah some people will talk about it but after that Sammy/MJF match? It's not gonna detract from the entire show. It was one little flub. Let trolls have their jollies if they want and don't let it bother you that much. AEW's gonna keep on truckin into next week and they ain't gonna worry about it. If anything it'll be a BTE gag on Monday.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 30, 2021 21:20:11 GMT -5
No one on social media is going to talk about anything but this botch. After that tribute. He's an embarrassment to the company. Agreed. Tony and Excalibur are more than capable enough to call shows together without him. Or add Taz in there. Ross is done, and I think this botch was what put it over the top. Great tribute, ending a chapter in the company's history (pandemic era) and completely shits all over it. I don't think so. Someone like Omega will have to make fun of it again. But to me, if I were Jim, I would REALLY think about how he hurts the company with things like this. They're not going to take him off, but sometimes you have to know when it's time to take yourself out of the game.
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Post by markymark on Jun 30, 2021 21:22:04 GMT -5
No one on social media is going to talk about anything but this botch. After that tribute. He's an embarrassment to the company. So is it equivalent to the botched Pyro Explosion?
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