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Post by Larryhausen on May 7, 2021 20:25:23 GMT -5
I was inclined to side with AEW on this issue from the get, since they've publicly acknowledged Botchamania's existence on air.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 7, 2021 20:34:07 GMT -5
I was inclined to side with AEW on this issue from the get, since they've publicly acknowledged Botchamania's existence on air. I mean, I've heard AEW say I AM THE TABLE. Tony Khan is as big of a nerd as it gets. They literally have blogs with jokes about everything and say botchamania in them. The people who said "Oh they meant it," they just don't watch or get AEW. Botchamania helped make AEW, and there's no way they take something like that down. Now other people who are bad faith actors who just use a ton of everything and claim fair use? Nah. People just don't get the difference between being creative and ripping off people. And that's why IP law exists. And unfortunately Youtube, like many corporations today, doesn't value humans as much as Artificial Intelligence when it comes to these things, and what happened here happens.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 7, 2021 21:11:26 GMT -5
Shit gives me a headache, like we seriously had to go down the god damn hole of "AEW seriously can't have ANY criticism thrown their way here!" when like two posts above Maffew said it was a Youtube issue and AEW was helping him. People wanna call AEW defenders trigger happy but I said this a few days ago, AEW detractors are just as bad sometimes and this thread proved it. They get caught up in their own arguments about why AEW might be doing a bad thing that they miss when things are not only resolved but where the blame actually lies. Youtube's a f***ing mess people, it's been that way for a long time. It doesn't shock me their bot system is bad. I just hope AEW can try and find ways to mitigate this for their content. And then when they are proven to be full of shit they disappear,months later when there is another chance to overblow/lie about something they will reappear and say AEW cant handle critiscism.And repeat. Certain posters will literally only show up in this board to decry AEW or join a negative thread. This thread was no different. And you are correct, it's a cycle, and it's eye-rolling to witness. Like criticism is one thing, and a lot of valid criticism comes from people who are active here and watch the shows a lot of the time. When people only pop up to joke at AEW's expense or shit on them for something that isn't even proven to be their fault, and is then proven NOT to be their fault, and then they just poof, it's a terrible look. Like you wonder why some people on this Board are defensive as I said, proofs in the pudding. Not everyone's thrilled when stuff like this is ongoing but people wanna just come in and get their jollies and shit on the product before anything even is resolved or confirmed... it gets old. And I know a lot of people like to say the "If WWE did this-" well AEW is not WWE. If people in the WWE Board get upset when AEW is brought up there, I think the same can be said here in certain situations. The company is two years old, and doesn't have the world wrapping rapsheet WWE does. It's really weird some hold AEW to the same standard when it's very clear it's just not the same situation or are they even close to the same beasts.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 7, 2021 21:18:25 GMT -5
Shit gives me a headache, like we seriously had to go down the god damn hole of "AEW seriously can't have ANY criticism thrown their way here!" when like two posts above Maffew said it was a Youtube issue and AEW was helping him. People wanna call AEW defenders trigger happy but I said this a few days ago, AEW detractors are just as bad sometimes and this thread proved it. They get caught up in their own arguments about why AEW might be doing a bad thing that they miss when things are not only resolved but where the blame actually lies. Youtube's a f***ing mess people, it's been that way for a long time. It doesn't shock me their bot system is bad. I just hope AEW can try and find ways to mitigate this for their content. And then when they are proven to be full of shit they disappear,months later when there is another chance to overblow/lie about something they will reappear and say AEW cant handle critiscism.And repeat. When something bad happens in AEW, they get really brave. You see the same ones come in here. You never see them during any discussions, or during the live thread, but something bad, they rush over here and really try to rub it in. But what are you going to do? As AEW gets more and more popular, it's going to get a lot of hate. That's our society now. Everything successful and popular has to face endless attacks from people who want to see it fail. It's not new though, Notorious BIG said it best, mo money mo problems.
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Post by Lupin the Third on May 7, 2021 22:11:27 GMT -5
You know who I blame? That DAMN CYRUS THE VIRUS!!! NO, NOT YOU!!!! YEAH!! YOU!!!!
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Post by warden on May 7, 2021 22:58:20 GMT -5
Yea I saw her telling him not to worry about it and then he got struck down again. Guess we'll find out soon enough if it was a bot or if aew just made a liar out of her won't we. He himself said,Matthew,that AEW withdrew the strikes but that youtube didnt do shit about it. So I guess Matthew is lying too here: Ah, I did not see that update. Well there's the answer
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 7, 2021 23:01:34 GMT -5
There's people in Maffew's replies saying that AEW isn't being truthful and there's no bot system and AEW is definitely I guess leading some kind of in-house crisis-and-crisis-response scheme to trick everyone into thinking they're the good guys and that's a level of paranoia and insanity that just kind of transcends reason and goes right into some conspiracy theorist flat earth level of never trusting anything. Even some really weird claims about how it's suspicious that Maffew has been uploading footage of promotions for years and never been taken down before when Botchamania's changed to new channels more than James Bond has changed actors. People telling Maffew diretly that he's being gaslit by a wrestling promotion, and I really want to know how far gone you need to be to operate on this level.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 7, 2021 23:28:45 GMT -5
There's people in Maffew's replies saying that AEW isn't being truthful and there's no bot system and AEW is definitely I guess leading some kind of in-house crisis-and-crisis-response scheme to trick everyone into thinking they're the good guys and that's a level of paranoia and insanity that just kind of transcends reason and goes right into some conspiracy theorist flat earth level of never trusting anything. Even some really weird claims about how it's suspicious that Maffew has been uploading footage of promotions for years and never been taken down before when Botchamania's changed to new channels more than James Bond has changed actors. People telling Maffew diretly that he's being gaslit by a wrestling promotion, and I really want to know how far gone you need to be to operate on this level. I mean I think you only need to look at what’s been going on in the world the past year or so to see that a lot of people unfortunately operate on this level.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 7, 2021 23:40:29 GMT -5
I kept hearing people say that AEW can’t take criticism.
Have..have they even watched BTE? How many times has there been where they make fun of a botch or a something weird that happens.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 7, 2021 23:40:55 GMT -5
There's people in Maffew's replies saying that AEW isn't being truthful and there's no bot system and AEW is definitely I guess leading some kind of in-house crisis-and-crisis-response scheme to trick everyone into thinking they're the good guys and that's a level of paranoia and insanity that just kind of transcends reason and goes right into some conspiracy theorist flat earth level of never trusting anything. Even some really weird claims about how it's suspicious that Maffew has been uploading footage of promotions for years and never been taken down before when Botchamania's changed to new channels more than James Bond has changed actors. People telling Maffew diretly that he's being gaslit by a wrestling promotion, and I really want to know how far gone you need to be to operate on this level. I wonder how much they pay for all their tinfoil hats.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 7, 2021 23:44:55 GMT -5
There's people in Maffew's replies saying that AEW isn't being truthful and there's no bot system and AEW is definitely I guess leading some kind of in-house crisis-and-crisis-response scheme to trick everyone into thinking they're the good guys and that's a level of paranoia and insanity that just kind of transcends reason and goes right into some conspiracy theorist flat earth level of never trusting anything. Even some really weird claims about how it's suspicious that Maffew has been uploading footage of promotions for years and never been taken down before when Botchamania's changed to new channels more than James Bond has changed actors. People telling Maffew diretly that he's being gaslit by a wrestling promotion, and I really want to know how far gone you need to be to operate on this level. Maffew had constantly struggled with using footage not just from WWE but certain Mexican promotions and ESPECIALLY New Japan. I think ROH even gave him a headache so he stopped putting their show in BM entirely, could be wrong on that but I thought I remember that being a thing. Point is some companies HAVE given Maffew a tough time in the past, but AEW openly likes Maffew and has been quite open about how terrible Youtube's bot system is. But to insinuate Maffew's never been taken down? I've known Maffew for a decade, he's gone through like dozens of channels. He'd lose some by the month. That's just intentionally trying to find something wrong that is not there, to satisfy your own, strangely gluttenous intent, in hating a specific company.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 8, 2021 11:09:40 GMT -5
There's people in Maffew's replies saying that AEW isn't being truthful and there's no bot system and AEW is definitely I guess leading some kind of in-house crisis-and-crisis-response scheme to trick everyone into thinking they're the good guys and that's a level of paranoia and insanity that just kind of transcends reason and goes right into some conspiracy theorist flat earth level of never trusting anything. Even some really weird claims about how it's suspicious that Maffew has been uploading footage of promotions for years and never been taken down before when Botchamania's changed to new channels more than James Bond has changed actors. People telling Maffew diretly that he's being gaslit by a wrestling promotion, and I really want to know how far gone you need to be to operate on this level. Maffew had constantly struggled with using footage not just from WWE but certain Mexican promotions and ESPECIALLY New Japan. I think ROH even gave him a headache so he stopped putting their show in BM entirely, could be wrong on that but I thought I remember that being a thing. Point is some companies HAVE given Maffew a tough time in the past, but AEW openly likes Maffew and has been quite open about how terrible Youtube's bot system is. But to insinuate Maffew's never been taken down? I've known Maffew for a decade, he's gone through like dozens of channels. He'd lose some by the month. That's just intentionally trying to find something wrong that is not there, to satisfy your own, strangely gluttenous intent, in hating a specific company. Yeah Maffew has gone through so many accounts over the years and even for a brief time strictly posted on daily motion as well I believe because his stuff was getting taken down so quickly. And as you said other companies are much more of a pain in the ass. New Japan was vicious with Showbuckle to where he had to have his videos (like the rise and fall of Naito which was amazing) strictly on his patreon and Kim Justice had her Misawa and Inokism videos taken down real quick so even if it was AEW'S fault its not exclusive to them. I think some people also forget that Maffew plays into the Botchamania gimmick on social media so sometimes it seems like he is hating on things a lot more than he actually is. But I also think Maffew probably feels a little sheepish in that he knew what his original tweet was gonna do and wasn't expecting the help he got.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 12:02:06 GMT -5
Maffew had constantly struggled with using footage not just from WWE but certain Mexican promotions and ESPECIALLY New Japan. I think ROH even gave him a headache so he stopped putting their show in BM entirely, could be wrong on that but I thought I remember that being a thing. Point is some companies HAVE given Maffew a tough time in the past, but AEW openly likes Maffew and has been quite open about how terrible Youtube's bot system is. But to insinuate Maffew's never been taken down? I've known Maffew for a decade, he's gone through like dozens of channels. He'd lose some by the month. That's just intentionally trying to find something wrong that is not there, to satisfy your own, strangely gluttenous intent, in hating a specific company. Yeah Maffew has gone through so many accounts over the years and even for a brief time strictly posted on daily motion as well I believe because his stuff was getting taken down so quickly. And as you said other companies are much more of a pain in the ass. New Japan was vicious with Showbuckle to where he had to have his videos (like the rise and fall of Naito which was amazing) strictly on his patreon and Kim Justice had her Misawa and Inokism videos taken down real quick so even if it was AEW'S fault its not exclusive to them. I think some people also forget that Maffew plays into the Botchamania gimmick on social media so sometimes it seems like he is hating on things a lot more than he actually is. But I also think Maffew probably feels a little sheepish in that he knew what his original tweet was gonna do and wasn't expecting the help he got. God I miss the Showbuckle videos. Did so much to turn me onto New Japan.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 8, 2021 12:12:40 GMT -5
Even with New Japan, it's not the company itself or a bot. It's Bushiroad manually striking stuff that gets above a relatively low threshold. If you try to do it with Stardom footage, the same applies. So, I'm guessing they have someone that specifically is looking for that (and is not on the take as to what "fair use" means).
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 8, 2021 12:44:24 GMT -5
I think one thing that really contributes to problems is people thinking of 'AEW' as if it was a person. AEW doesn't 'like Maffew' or 'hate criticism' or whatever, because it has no emotions because it's not a person. I know, it's partly shorthand for talking about the company's policies, or for the speculated feelings of MOST of the people working there, but it's really hard not to start, at least partly, thinking about it as if the company actually had these feelings and was acting on them.
This is important because haters kinda have to have an unnuanced way of thinking about it. There has to be BAD MOTIVATIONS behind everything, because that's the point.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 9, 2021 7:27:03 GMT -5
There's people in Maffew's replies saying that AEW isn't being truthful and there's no bot system and AEW is definitely I guess leading some kind of in-house crisis-and-crisis-response scheme to trick everyone into thinking they're the good guys and that's a level of paranoia and insanity that just kind of transcends reason and goes right into some conspiracy theorist flat earth level of never trusting anything. Even some really weird claims about how it's suspicious that Maffew has been uploading footage of promotions for years and never been taken down before when Botchamania's changed to new channels more than James Bond has changed actors. People telling Maffew diretly that he's being gaslit by a wrestling promotion, and I really want to know how far gone you need to be to operate on this level. Maffew had constantly struggled with using footage not just from WWE but certain Mexican promotions and ESPECIALLY New Japan. I think ROH even gave him a headache so he stopped putting their show in BM entirely, could be wrong on that but I thought I remember that being a thing. Point is some companies HAVE given Maffew a tough time in the past, but AEW openly likes Maffew and has been quite open about how terrible Youtube's bot system is. But to insinuate Maffew's never been taken down? I've known Maffew for a decade, he's gone through like dozens of channels. He'd lose some by the month. That's just intentionally trying to find something wrong that is not there, to satisfy your own, strangely gluttenous intent, in hating a specific company. Wasn't CZW a big offender on being, well, prickly about footage use? Just since Maffew always throws borders around that footage when using the JEEEZUS lever.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 9, 2021 7:42:52 GMT -5
Maffew had constantly struggled with using footage not just from WWE but certain Mexican promotions and ESPECIALLY New Japan. I think ROH even gave him a headache so he stopped putting their show in BM entirely, could be wrong on that but I thought I remember that being a thing. Point is some companies HAVE given Maffew a tough time in the past, but AEW openly likes Maffew and has been quite open about how terrible Youtube's bot system is. But to insinuate Maffew's never been taken down? I've known Maffew for a decade, he's gone through like dozens of channels. He'd lose some by the month. That's just intentionally trying to find something wrong that is not there, to satisfy your own, strangely gluttenous intent, in hating a specific company. Wasn't CZW a big offender on being, well, prickly about footage use? Just since Maffew always throws borders around that footage when using the JEEEZUS lever. From what I remember DJ was cool with Botchamania and even offered to do openings but he did have an issue with Maffew doing the CZWamania he did got a video or 2. So he got petty with Maffew.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 10, 2021 12:08:26 GMT -5
I kept hearing people say that AEW can’t take criticism. Have..have they even watched BTE? How many times has there been where they make fun of a botch or a something weird that happens. Narrative spinning is not very high on logic.
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Post by lucas_lee on May 10, 2021 15:19:29 GMT -5
lol, this thread is the perfect example of people not actually reading other replies Shit gives me a headache, like we seriously had to go down the god damn hole of "AEW seriously can't have ANY criticism thrown their way here!" when like two posts above Maffew said it was a Youtube issue and AEW was helping him. People wanna call AEW defenders trigger happy but I said this a few days ago, AEW detractors are just as bad sometimes and this thread proved it. They get caught up in their own arguments about why AEW might be doing a bad thing that they miss when things are not only resolved but where the blame actually lies. Youtube's a f***ing mess people, it's been that way for a long time. It doesn't shock me their bot system is bad. I just hope AEW can try and find ways to mitigate this for their content. Yeah anyone arguing in this thread about this is just plain head scratching. The arguement holds no water when AEW was getting copyright struck themselves too
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