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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 18, 2023 19:50:56 GMT -5
only two of the original trilogy are good. i'll take Crystal Skull over Temple of Doom and Willie Scott any day.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on May 19, 2023 3:00:12 GMT -5
Reviews are in, Better than Crystal SKull, but would have been as good as the original trilogy if they used the Magic Potatoes.
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Post by thechase on May 19, 2023 6:21:07 GMT -5
50% on RT at time of writing
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Post by Push R Truth on May 19, 2023 6:29:34 GMT -5
When the original trilogy contains a movie that is widely seen in Top 10 Movies of All Time lists I don't expect to ever hear a "Oh yeah the new movie is just as good". I'm just glad to hear it's not the worst Even the Worst Indy movie is a fun brainless popcorn flick.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 26, 2023 23:57:45 GMT -5
This sounds f***ing terrible.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 27, 2023 0:36:35 GMT -5
Aside from the casual racism that hasn’t aged well with the benefit of 39 years of cultural enlightenment, I’m a weirdo who likes Temple of Doom the most. I adore the Indy/Short Round dynamic and feel like it’s got a totally unique plot as a result of stranding the characters in a small geographic region. Hell, the movie would directly influence nearly as much pop culture as Raiders did (Donkey and Diddy Kong in runaway mine carts, anyone?) I'm pretty sure the casual racism was more just Spielberg angry that Ghandi beat ET at the Oscars.... <_< I mean a lot of the cast are in both... That said I have no issues with Temple of Doom. It's not as good as Raiders or Last crusade but... I mean... not many movies are...
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 25, 2023 14:37:28 GMT -5
RT's score's gotten up to 61% which is something I guess.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jun 25, 2023 17:35:00 GMT -5
I'll never understand the claims of casual racism for ToD. All the 'weird' stuff happened once they got to Pankot. The village Indians seemed to be treated relatively fairly. I always perceived the dinner scene in Pankot to represent that something was wrong with the place that they were at, as opposed to presenting an entire culture as strange. Considering that Prime Minister Chattar Lal was pulling the strings and was shown to be a Thugee only reestablished my perception.
61% on RT nowadays from the critics isn't exactly a high mark. These are the same folks who gave 91% to Last Jedi, probably the worst movie I've ever paid money to see.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 25, 2023 18:18:58 GMT -5
I'll never understand the claims of casual racism for ToD. All the 'weird' stuff happened once they got to Pankot. The village Indians seemed to be treated relatively fairly. I always perceived the dinner scene in Pankot to represent that something was wrong with the place that they were at, as opposed to presenting an entire culture as strange. Considering that Prime Minister Chattar Lal was pulling the strings and was shown to be a Thugee only reestablished my perception. 61% on RT nowadays from the critics isn't exactly a high mark. These are the same folks who gave 91% to Last Jedi, probably the worst movie I've ever paid money to see. I think the problem is looking back now it seems obvious that the point of the scene was to point out that something strange was happening. Problem was back in the 80s that was not so obvious. Lots of people who were watching it then were either too young, too ignorant, or too casually racist to understand that people from India were not really like that. So I am sure that before Apu was causing Indian people to hear "Thank you come again" a hundred times a day people were asking if Indian people if they were eating monkey heads for dinner.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jun 25, 2023 18:32:25 GMT -5
So I am sure that before Apu was causing Indian people to hear "Thank you come again" a hundred times a day people were asking if Indian people if they were eating monkey heads for dinner. But the village Indians weren't doing that. They even fed Indy, Willie and Short Round, with Willie representing the ignorant Western who refused to eat what they gave her.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 26, 2023 5:51:53 GMT -5
So I am sure that before Apu was causing Indian people to hear "Thank you come again" a hundred times a day people were asking if Indian people if they were eating monkey heads for dinner. But the village Indians weren't doing that. They even fed Indy, Willie and Short Round, with Willie representing the ignorant Western who refused to eat what they gave her. Yes and thats one small scene. Whereas the dinner party was a much longer and more memorable scene. And again I get now what they were going for but it was lost for the young, like I was, or the ignorant, like my parents. It was awhile before I had any actual knowledge of Indian culture or cuisine so for awhile I thought they ate monkey brains and snakes. Thats the casual racism. And thats not even going into the bastardization of their religion. Maybe if Indy had shown some shock at the dinner party it would have helped clue in the audience that something was not right about it. But no he is sitting there joking and conversing like this is all normal and common.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jun 26, 2023 10:37:04 GMT -5
Whereas the dinner party was a much longer and more memorable scene. And again I get now what they were going for but it was lost for the young, like I was, or the ignorant, like my parents. It was awhile before I had any actual knowledge of Indian culture or cuisine so for awhile I thought they ate monkey brains and snakes. Thats the casual racism. And thats not even going into the bastardization of their religion. Maybe if Indy had shown some shock at the dinner party it would have helped clue in the audience that something was not right about it. But no he is sitting there joking and conversing like this is all normal and common. It's a much longer scene because it's mostly an exposition dump. Indy doesn't react because his focus is on getting answers from Chatter Lau. It's also to set up how uncomfortable Willie is in the palace, which plays into the next scene. If anything, the dialogue of Indy, Captain Bloomberg and Chatter Lau is essentially muted due to the extreme visuals they're intertwined with, so there isn't much reaction from the audience. As far as misrepresentation of their religion, they do the same thing to both Judaism and Christianity in the other movies as well. The movies don't bog themselves down much with the lore of the religion, and usually touch upon a couple things and leave it at that. And again, it's just the experience of the person watching, even as a child I never had a preconceived notion that Indian people were like this from the movie. The only unreality concept I ever took away from these movies was that I wanted to be Indiana Jones, despite that being completely unrealistic.
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Jun 26, 2023 11:53:30 GMT -5
There's a scene not included from the original script that might have made the dinner scene more palatable. (wocka wocka!)
... where Indy expounds "Even if they were trying to scare us away, a devout Hindu would never touch meat. Makes you wonder what these people are...".
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 27, 2023 4:38:53 GMT -5
Whereas the dinner party was a much longer and more memorable scene. And again I get now what they were going for but it was lost for the young, like I was, or the ignorant, like my parents. It was awhile before I had any actual knowledge of Indian culture or cuisine so for awhile I thought they ate monkey brains and snakes. Thats the casual racism. And thats not even going into the bastardization of their religion. Maybe if Indy had shown some shock at the dinner party it would have helped clue in the audience that something was not right about it. But no he is sitting there joking and conversing like this is all normal and common. It's a much longer scene because it's mostly an exposition dump. Indy doesn't react because his focus is on getting answers from Chatter Lau. It's also to set up how uncomfortable Willie is in the palace, which plays into the next scene. If anything, the dialogue of Indy, Captain Bloomberg and Chatter Lau is essentially muted due to the extreme visuals they're intertwined with, so there isn't much reaction from the audience. As far as misrepresentation of their religion, they do the same thing to both Judaism and Christianity in the other movies as well. The movies don't bog themselves down much with the lore of the religion, and usually touch upon a couple things and leave it at that. And again, it's just the experience of the person watching, even as a child I never had a preconceived notion that Indian people were like this from the movie. The only unreality concept I ever took away from these movies was that I wanted to be Indiana Jones, despite that being completely unrealistic. So just Apu all over again. "I dont see how its racist or offensive so why are people complaining?"
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jun 27, 2023 4:40:28 GMT -5
There's a scene not included from the original script that might have made the dinner scene more palatable. (wocka wocka!)
... where Indy expounds "Even if they were trying to scare us away, a devout Hindu would never touch meat. Makes you wonder what these people are...". I believe that was still in the novelization. It would have fixed the entire scene, and film.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 28, 2023 17:38:31 GMT -5
I mean, is it really necessary to explain that Nazis were bad? *looks around* Okay, maybe it's a fact that has become lost on a few people, yeah.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 28, 2023 18:06:45 GMT -5
Spoiler for the fate of a beloved character: {Spoiler}
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Post by metylerca on Jun 28, 2023 22:19:27 GMT -5
I mean, is it really necessary to explain that Nazis were bad? *looks around* Okay, maybe it's a fact that has become lost on a few people, yeah. Super discount Great Value Robert Smith with an obscenely out of pocket take.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 28, 2023 22:32:57 GMT -5
I mean, is it really necessary to explain that Nazis were bad? *looks around* Okay, maybe it's a fact that has become lost on a few people, yeah. Super discount Great Value Robert Smith with an obscenely out of pocket take. This is a good example of where someone should say "yeah that was a dumb thing I said" and admitted error, but they can't bring themselves to do it so they keep trying to defend the initial dumb shit and make themselves look like an even bigger twat.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 28, 2023 22:42:44 GMT -5
I think the intention of the quote is calling out laziness in just going, "This villain is a villain and you know because they're eeeeeevil," without any further layers or establishment of their character but there were like 18 million better ways to communicate that.
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