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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 21, 2021 16:26:08 GMT -5
I didn't say he should go over Hangman Jobbing page who they've booked as top hope would hurt - I understand you didn't advocate for that but I'm just taking this up. Yes punk needs to win to start but will need to be somebody else. Can't build somebody as savior of aew & then job to ex wwe guy Jesus christ do you actually think they would job Hangman to Punk if they fought? That match would probably be a 20 minute clinic no matter who won or lost. Page has already been pinned before. He's not bulletproof. Someone like CM Punk beating him isn't a job it's a lateral move and Hangman would be just fine. Friendly reminder Hangman's first big loss in his AEW tenure was to Chris Jericho. Who was much older than Punk. Hasn't hurt Hangman one lick and if this hypothetical happened? It wouldn't hurt him there either. Also the stigma of "Oh we can't have them go over because they're an ex-WWE Guy" needs to f***ing END. I'm so sick of it. If they're a good wrestler than they're a good wrestler. Stop letting TNA bias from a decade ago where fat Val Vanus beat Christopher Daniels leak into 2021 conversations about a company who treats all their talent seriously and where losses have never killed someone dead. Back in the day WWF/WCW/ECW guys constantly rotated and no one said a damn thing.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 21, 2021 16:31:39 GMT -5
THe only issue I have with this report is that Punk's mentions are probably getting blown up by just the worst people right now and if this isn't true that's shitty, and if it is true, this isn't going to do anybody any favours
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jul 21, 2021 16:34:02 GMT -5
Hey, why not? It'd be interesting for the landscape.
Selfishly, if he ever does return I want him to do something totally new with his character. The anti-corporate stuff has been done to death, you already have MOX as that type of figure anyhow, so I'd like him to bring a level of seriousness and real personal weight to the product like when he did the Raven feud or the SES Society. Just let him get weird with it.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jul 21, 2021 16:43:38 GMT -5
Hey, why not? It'd be interesting for the landscape. Selfishly, if he ever does return I want him to do something totally new with his character. The anti-corporate stuff has been done to death, you already have MOX as that type of figure anyhow, so I'd like him to bring a level of seriousness and real personal weight to the product like when he did the Raven feud or the SES Society. Just let him get weird with it. One of the best things about Punk is his ability to adapt. Summer of Punk in ROH was a perfect example of changing things up in a unique way.
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Post by pippen94 on Jul 21, 2021 16:48:14 GMT -5
Jobbing page who they've booked as top hope would hurt - I understand you didn't advocate for that but I'm just taking this up. Yes punk needs to win to start but will need to be somebody else. Can't build somebody as savior of aew & then job to ex wwe guy Jesus christ do you actually think they would job Hangman to Punk if they fought? That match would probably be a 20 minute clinic no matter who won or lost. Page has already been pinned before. He's not bulletproof. Someone like CM Punk beating him isn't a job it's a lateral move and Hangman would be just fine. Friendly reminder Hangman's first big loss in his AEW tenure was to Chris Jericho. Who was much older than Punk. Hasn't hurt Hangman one lick and if this hypothetical happened? It wouldn't hurt him there either. Also the stigma of "Oh we can't have them go over because they're an ex-WWE Guy" needs to f***ing END. I'm so sick of it. If they're a good wrestler than they're a good wrestler. Stop letting TNA bias from a decade ago where fat Val Vanus beat Christopher Daniels leak into 2021 conversations about a company who treats all their talent seriously and where losses have never killed someone dead. Back in the day WWF/WCW/ECW guys constantly rotated and no one said a damn thing. So don't learn from TNA's mistake?! The build of page has been patient & pretty much unprecedented in modern wrestling. He's built as guy to rescue company from elite. If he loses to wwe guy what does that say about aew?! Like jobbing sting to Bret hart in 1998 wcw
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Post by Viking Hall on Jul 21, 2021 17:14:03 GMT -5
I... I just don't see it.
I think he's too much of a Diva to go to AEW while Cabana is there and in the same manner, I don't see him returning anywhere for less than a WrestleMania main event.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 21, 2021 17:17:37 GMT -5
Hey, why not? It'd be interesting for the landscape. Selfishly, if he ever does return I want him to do something totally new with his character. The anti-corporate stuff has been done to death, you already have MOX as that type of figure anyhow, so I'd like him to bring a level of seriousness and real personal weight to the product like when he did the Raven feud or the SES Society. Just let him get weird with it. He really can’t do the anti-corporate shtick walking into AEW. WWE? Sure. He’d definitely have to come into AEW with a new flavor/direction.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 21, 2021 17:17:47 GMT -5
Jesus christ do you actually think they would job Hangman to Punk if they fought? That match would probably be a 20 minute clinic no matter who won or lost. Page has already been pinned before. He's not bulletproof. Someone like CM Punk beating him isn't a job it's a lateral move and Hangman would be just fine. Friendly reminder Hangman's first big loss in his AEW tenure was to Chris Jericho. Who was much older than Punk. Hasn't hurt Hangman one lick and if this hypothetical happened? It wouldn't hurt him there either. Also the stigma of "Oh we can't have them go over because they're an ex-WWE Guy" needs to f***ing END. I'm so sick of it. If they're a good wrestler than they're a good wrestler. Stop letting TNA bias from a decade ago where fat Val Vanus beat Christopher Daniels leak into 2021 conversations about a company who treats all their talent seriously and where losses have never killed someone dead. Back in the day WWF/WCW/ECW guys constantly rotated and no one said a damn thing. So don't learn from TNA's mistake?! The build of page has been patient & pretty much unprecedented in modern wrestling. He's built as guy to rescue company from elite. If he loses to wwe guy what does that say about aew?! Like jobbing sting to Bret hart in 1998 wcw CM Punk beating Hangman Page in a hard fought 20 minute match where presumably Punk is heel and eventually gets his comeuppance is in no way "TNA." What *was* TNA? Val Venis beating Christopher Daniels. That was TNA. Adam Page vs. CM Punk is not that. Literally nothing AEW has done suggests they'd have Punk beat Page and then move on. The company's earned the right to the benefit of the doubt on this front. Nobody's saying Page loses right away. And you know what? If Page lost? It's not the end of the world.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 21, 2021 17:18:51 GMT -5
Hey, why not? It'd be interesting for the landscape. Selfishly, if he ever does return I want him to do something totally new with his character. The anti-corporate stuff has been done to death, you already have MOX as that type of figure anyhow, so I'd like him to bring a level of seriousness and real personal weight to the product like when he did the Raven feud or the SES Society. Just let him get weird with it. He really can’t do the anti-corporate shtick walking into AEW. WWE? Sure. He’d definitely have to come into AEW with a new flavor/direction. I think it'd be refreshing if he came in basically saying something like "in the last few years, people have cracked jokes at my expense and forgot who I am. I'm here to show you why I'm still the best." Nothing fancy, just I'm here to prove who I am against the best talent in the world.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 21, 2021 17:22:01 GMT -5
LMAO. F*** this company. I hate you, Tony. Just gonna keep shoving all these anti-hero top faces that annoy me in my face show after show. Moxley, Kingston, now Punk’s on the way, oh my god. Save us, Cody and Jungle Boy, save us. In all seriousness, that would be a huge pickup for them. Have him feud with MJF, the chemistry would probably be good there. Moxley is an antihero? I think this might be an example of form over content - sure, they present him as a Stone Cold-esque wildcard, but the reality is his character is nothing like that and (the first Omega feud notwithstanding) has consistently been portrayed as a guy with a strong moral core. He's more like Batman than The Punisher. He's definitely not squeaky clean, but the only time he even cheated to win a big match was when MJF tried it first, and that's a line even Cena and Hogan were willing to cross. I'd honesty don't see much difference between the alignment positioning of Cody Rhodes and Jon Moxley I think the post is intentionally hyperbolic, but Clash also likes his squeaky clean babyfaces.
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Post by carter 15 on Jul 21, 2021 17:47:20 GMT -5
man i do understand the coup, i still really hope not though. Just not a fan.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 21, 2021 17:51:55 GMT -5
I can't believe that I'm the CM Punk defender, but the guy was always over, even before the anti-WWE stuff that came from the Pipe Bomb. As a pro wrestler, and when I say that, I mean everything that goes with it, he's been one of the most over, if not most over pro wrestler in America over a period in the past 10 years.
As for him being a diva, I don't know. For all the talk about him being a diva, his issues with the WWE really seem like legit issues, and I have trouble dinging him for not eating shit and dealing with them, and knowing his worth in a business that depends on people begging for their jobs back.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jul 21, 2021 17:59:32 GMT -5
As an unabashed Punk mark, I am so hoping this happens.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 21, 2021 18:27:09 GMT -5
I will say this - CM Punk as master manipulator, prying members of the Dark Order away into some new SES is probably the single best foil Page could have post-Omega. A Page-MJF feud would be money too, and would have the personal element of FTR being involved, but that incarnation of Punk vs Page would be the kind of story wrestling has never been able to tell before.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 18:42:56 GMT -5
I think the prospect of appearing on Impact and NJPW and potentially ROH as part of the same storyline due to doors being opened may have turned his head. Something like that seems to be right up Punk's street.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Jul 21, 2021 18:48:16 GMT -5
The only problem I have with this, and it's the same problem I've had with just about every company, aside from sometimes WWE since like 2000.
A big carry-over from the Monday Night Wars is that feeling of "who's going to jump next?". Now, I'm as guilty as the next guy of absolutely loving the speculation and potential crowd reaction of someone new showing up.. but you do get to a point like WCW and TNA where this kind of deal sort of becomes ome of the leading "gimmicks" of the promotion.
AEW does have, on its side, the narrative that previous stars can work there and really paint their own picture. I give them that, but at what point does that wear off? After Punk/Bryan who would be next? Not to say any certain top tier star wouldn't add to AEW's image, but still.
They've done a good job not just letting any old guy from WWE come over, but I'd hate for them to accidentally pigeonhole themselves into this kinda zone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 18:50:06 GMT -5
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 21, 2021 18:52:31 GMT -5
The site doesn’t even work for me. So I’m not buying this just yet.
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Post by markymark on Jul 21, 2021 18:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Jul 21, 2021 18:59:16 GMT -5
The King of Scoop Style is on the case!
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