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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 10:04:45 GMT -5
So *claps hands together* who's watching next week? I mean, I'm not. Made my rare appearance in the RAW thread this week, and got burned by an objectively bad show I have no desire to watch again. I gave WWE a chance, and it was not good. I'll check back in around Mania time.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 27, 2021 10:09:40 GMT -5
WWE's a total gumjob in 2021, since damn near none of the faces have any teeth.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 27, 2021 10:30:07 GMT -5
WWE's a total gumjob in 2021, since damn near none of the faces have any teeth. Putting smiles on people’s* faces. *those people being Vince McMahon, Vincent Kennedy McMahon, and Vinny Mac.
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Post by BatPunk on Jul 27, 2021 10:39:40 GMT -5
I don’t think WWE can differentiate the difference between “Booo! We hate Charlotte” and “Booo! This angle is shit”
I fully believe that Charlotte could be part of an entertaining angle. This is not it.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 27, 2021 13:27:45 GMT -5
Who the living hell are these people who were dumb enough to be cheering at the beginning of the show, is my question.
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Post by 4real on Jul 27, 2021 13:42:21 GMT -5
I gave it a chance last week because it was the first Raw with fans. That was the first Raw I’ve watched in full since October last year and that was only because I was at a friends for the weekend. 3 hours of a terrible show is just too much.
Getting through the highlights on YouTube is difficult enough.
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Post by warden on Jul 27, 2021 14:40:31 GMT -5
Who the living hell are these people who were dumb enough to be cheering at the beginning of the show, is my question. People who genuinely like the show and don't cater to your nonsense
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jul 27, 2021 16:19:11 GMT -5
I feel like this thread title should be photoshopped on the movie poster for How To Lose a Guy in 10 Days
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 16:20:48 GMT -5
Another reason I don't buy the three hours thing is that usually WWE crowds are dead by the end of the first hour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 16:28:30 GMT -5
Who the living hell are these people who were dumb enough to be cheering at the beginning of the show, is my question. People who genuinely like the show and don't cater to your nonsense
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Post by thehottag on Jul 27, 2021 16:51:44 GMT -5
Just to recap:
Kross debuts - loses first match Lee returns - loses first match back Nikki wins the title - loses first match
Trouble making new stars, you say?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 17:37:24 GMT -5
Man, the general mood of the WWE board just seems so dour lately. I remember when we were all excited for things like the Yes! movement and the pipebomb and the like, but everyone just seems so miserable.
Either there's a lot of sour grapes here, or Vince really has just grown to hate his audience and adopted the attitude of "I already got my money, f*** you and f*** your favorite wrestler."
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 27, 2021 17:46:45 GMT -5
Man, the general mood of the WWE board just seems so dour lately. I remember when we were all excited for things like the Yes! movement and the pipebomb and the like, but everyone just seems so miserable. Either there's a lot of sour grapes here, or Vince really has just grown to hate his audience and adopted the attitude of "I already got my money, f*** you and f*** your favorite wrestler." Vince McMahon has a depressing tendency to take the worst possible lesson from everything. He saw the success of the pipebomb and the Yes Movement and said, "Ah, we should get meta! The real heel heat is when fans think we favor a heel, and the big face pops are for the downtrodden wrestlers that nobody really believes will win the big one!" And so, WWE will adjust, but always in the worst way, because it's an adjustment based on "what," but never "why." Babyfaces were too dominant in the 00s, only for heels to get way too dominant in the 10s. This wasn't a smart adjustment to pull it back and balance it, it was a swing in the other direction that's just as bad because it's also repetitive and soul-crushing. And it's always done in an attempt at raw audience reaction, without any real sense of narrative or cohesion; just wrestling tropes and techniques used without the context or texture that makes them work.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 18:06:17 GMT -5
Man, the general mood of the WWE board just seems so dour lately. I remember when we were all excited for things like the Yes! movement and the pipebomb and the like, but everyone just seems so miserable. Either there's a lot of sour grapes here, or Vince really has just grown to hate his audience and adopted the attitude of "I already got my money, f*** you and f*** your favorite wrestler." Vince McMahon has a depressing tendency to take the worst possible lesson from everything. He saw the success of the pipebomb and the Yes Movement and said, "Ah, we should get meta! The real heel heat is when fans think we favor a heel, and the big face pops are for the downtrodden wrestlers that nobody really believes will win the big one!" And so, WWE will adjust, but always in the worst way, because it's an adjustment based on "what," but never "why." Babyfaces were too dominant in the 00s, only for heels to get way too dominant in the 10s. This wasn't a smart adjustment to pull it back and balance it, it was a swing in the other direction that's just as bad because it's also repetitive and soul-crushing. And it's always done in an attempt at raw audience reaction, without any real sense of narrative or cohesion; just wrestling tropes and techniques used without the context or texture that makes them work. Booking by formula is the best way I can think of to describe it. Bryan worked as a scrappy underdog because... well, he was. He was seen as a great hand by the company but not much else. Punk was a pissed off dude with grievances. You can't just slot anyone into a role like that and expect it to work, either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 18:09:24 GMT -5
Vince McMahon has a depressing tendency to take the worst possible lesson from everything. He saw the success of the pipebomb and the Yes Movement and said, "Ah, we should get meta! The real heel heat is when fans think we favor a heel, and the big face pops are for the downtrodden wrestlers that nobody really believes will win the big one!" And so, WWE will adjust, but always in the worst way, because it's an adjustment based on "what," but never "why." Babyfaces were too dominant in the 00s, only for heels to get way too dominant in the 10s. This wasn't a smart adjustment to pull it back and balance it, it was a swing in the other direction that's just as bad because it's also repetitive and soul-crushing. And it's always done in an attempt at raw audience reaction, without any real sense of narrative or cohesion; just wrestling tropes and techniques used without the context or texture that makes them work. Booking by formula is the best way I can think of to describe it. Bryan worked as a scrappy underdog because... well, he was. He was seen as a great hand by the company but not much else. Punk was a pissed off dude with grievances. You can't just slot anyone into a role like that and expect it to work, either. There's a lot of trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Omos is legitimately one of the best booked talents they have right now because they realize what he's good at and what he wouldn't be comfortable doing and book him accordingly. The product would be great if everyone got that same treatment.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 27, 2021 18:11:29 GMT -5
I’m so excited about wrestling thanks to AEW and GCW over the last week.
Makes me sad to see WWE still bumming a lot of you out. I’ve only watched the Royal Rumble and Mania for the last like 4 years, and it’s been a great decision.
Hope RAW gets better. Wrestling is supposed to be fun.
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Post by Chiral on Jul 27, 2021 18:58:05 GMT -5
I’m so excited about wrestling thanks to AEW and GCW over the last week. Makes me sad to see WWE still bumming a lot of you out. I’ve only watched the Royal Rumble and Mania for the last like 4 years, and it’s been a great decision. Hope RAW gets better. Wrestling is supposed to be fun. I'm hitting that "is shitposting worth how much of a complete bummer the rest of WWE is" point lately, and with the boatloads of good wrestling out there right now (Same about AEW and GCW bringing the most excitement!!) I feel like I'd have plenty of easy substitutes if I took a break from the downer programming.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 27, 2021 18:59:44 GMT -5
Who the living hell are these people who were dumb enough to be cheering at the beginning of the show, is my question. Honest answer? A lot of people who haven't gone to any live event in ages for pandemic reasons, or who just have never gotten to go to wrestling before, are going to go in hoping for the best. Live wrestling can be really exciting, so it's a shame when that benefit of the doubt gets abused and stamped out.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 27, 2021 19:14:01 GMT -5
3 hours is a long time. Wish it would go back to 2 that's the right number for televised wrestling I feel like this was an excuse for a while but I have seen crowds at AEW, New Japan, ROH, and elsewhere that went through 3+ hours of wrestling and were up for most of it. It's certainly not easy but I don't buy it as a crutch anymore. I like how you used New Japan as an example, since for me, the top example that I use as how a crowd can be kept invested in a show was the first Wrestle Kingdom that ever watched live, Wrestle Kingdom 12. It started at 3AM my time and I was actually able to stay awake for the entire time since not only was it an excellent show, but the crowd was white-hot the entire time, despite there being seemingly no breaks in the action.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 19:30:46 GMT -5
Man, the general mood of the WWE board just seems so dour lately. I remember when we were all excited for things like the Yes! movement and the pipebomb and the like, but everyone just seems so miserable. Either there's a lot of sour grapes here, or Vince really has just grown to hate his audience and adopted the attitude of "I already got my money, f*** you and f*** your favorite wrestler." I don't think we WANT to feel like this. But the company deserve this anomosity from the fans. They are not listening. I'd love to watch an episode of Raw and be entertained throughout. Just like I was in the 90s and early 2000s. It hasn't been like that since at least 2006. So what do we do? Not watch? Let's be honest. That's the logical answer but it's never gonna happen. We are in too deep now.
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