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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 25, 2022 9:35:09 GMT -5
I like Nikki but aside from a brief moment in NXT she really only has ever been over with Alexa. Now yes they can build her up as a credible challenger but I do wonder if this is a case of underestimating how much you have to rebuild so many people in the company. There's a handful of people that can go from being treated poorly to bring relevant and not miss a beat. For the men it's KO, Sami, and Riddle for the women it's Asuska and Alexa. Maybe you can throw Alpha Academy in there as well. Legit everybody else needs to be built up again The issue is what I keep saying… Upon whose back do you rebuild all those people? On the women’s side (since that’s the topic at hand) you have Rousey, Lynch, Flair and probably now Belair with tangible rubs to give, but that doesn’t mean a green light to turn them into jobbers and have everyone beat them. If everyone beats them, then what’s so special about it, you know?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 9:44:24 GMT -5
I like Nikki but aside from a brief moment in NXT she really only has ever been over with Alexa. Now yes they can build her up as a credible challenger but I do wonder if this is a case of underestimating how much you have to rebuild so many people in the company. There's a handful of people that can go from being treated poorly to bring relevant and not miss a beat. For the men it's KO, Sami, and Riddle for the women it's Asuska and Alexa. Maybe you can throw Alpha Academy in there as well. Legit everybody else needs to be built up again The issue is what I keep saying… Upon whose back do you rebuild all those people? On the women’s side (since that’s the topic at hand) you have Rousey, Lynch, Flair and probably now Belair with tangible rubs to give, but that doesn’t mean a green light to turn them into jobbers and have everyone beat them. If everyone beats them, then what’s so special about it, you know? I would say as far as the 4H women go they are at or very near to approaching where IMO with all their cred have got to start giving back and building the others up now. Becky did it with Liv and Bianca. Bayley seems set to do that with Candice and down the line when she inevitably feuds with IYO and Dakota. Charlotte is gonna be an interesting case on her return because she isn't exactly known for anyone coming out better from feuding with her so.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 25, 2022 11:28:25 GMT -5
I like Nikki but aside from a brief moment in NXT she really only has ever been over with Alexa. Now yes they can build her up as a credible challenger but I do wonder if this is a case of underestimating how much you have to rebuild so many people in the company. There's a handful of people that can go from being treated poorly to bring relevant and not miss a beat. For the men it's KO, Sami, and Riddle for the women it's Asuska and Alexa. Maybe you can throw Alpha Academy in there as well. Legit everybody else needs to be built up again The issue is what I keep saying… Upon whose back do you rebuild all those people? On the women’s side (since that’s the topic at hand) you have Rousey, Lynch, Flair and probably now Belair with tangible rubs to give, but that doesn’t mean a green light to turn them into jobbers and have everyone beat them. If everyone beats them, then what’s so special about it, you know? I think something WWE still kind of struggles with is getting someone over in defeat and to go with that they struggle with what to do when an established star loses
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 25, 2022 11:30:27 GMT -5
The issue is what I keep saying… Upon whose back do you rebuild all those people? On the women’s side (since that’s the topic at hand) you have Rousey, Lynch, Flair and probably now Belair with tangible rubs to give, but that doesn’t mean a green light to turn them into jobbers and have everyone beat them. If everyone beats them, then what’s so special about it, you know? I would say as far as the 4H women go they are at or very near to approaching where IMO with all their cred have got to start giving back and building the others up now. Becky did it with Liv and Bianca. Bayley seems set to do that with Candice and down the line when she inevitably feuds with IYO and Dakota. Charlotte is gonna be an interesting case on her return because she isn't exactly known for anyone coming out better from feuding with her so. Charlotte did definitely play a major part in Becky hitting the highs she did but past that pretty much everyone who works with her comes out of it looking worse. Not just because she usually wins but also because she doesn't sell anything getting there.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 25, 2022 11:32:53 GMT -5
I would say as far as the 4H women go they are at or very near to approaching where IMO with all their cred have got to start giving back and building the others up now. Becky did it with Liv and Bianca. Bayley seems set to do that with Candice and down the line when she inevitably feuds with IYO and Dakota. Charlotte is gonna be an interesting case on her return because she isn't exactly known for anyone coming out better from feuding with her so. Charlotte did definitely play a major part in Becky hitting the highs she did but past that pretty much everyone who works with her comes out of it looking worse. Not just because she usually wins but also because she doesn't sell anything getting there. She also never really sells her losses the way she should. Hell, I've said this before but she's never really had a blood feud with anyone. The closest thing was Becky, but even that didn't go where it should have. Hell, 95% of her existence is defending or winning a title. A blood feud, where someone comes out on top would equally benefit both parties
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Post by schma on Oct 25, 2022 12:35:56 GMT -5
My first thought here was "did wwe buy the rights to Grease and cast Nikki Cross?"
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 25, 2022 13:17:47 GMT -5
My first thought here was "did wwe buy the rights to Grease and cast Nikki Cross?" This is a gif you can hear
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 25, 2022 13:22:55 GMT -5
"Hey Hunter! I think I need to be repackaged. You got anything for me?" "How about we add some leather? Maybe a jacket?"
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Oct 25, 2022 14:13:18 GMT -5
well, if she can still ass kick, like she did with ivory at the royal rumble ... something i still chuckle about ... then HELL YEAHS KICK ALL THEIR ASSES NIKKI!!!
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Post by canceled4truth on Oct 25, 2022 15:03:36 GMT -5
Nikki is great, y'all are some haters
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Oct 25, 2022 20:06:01 GMT -5
I like Nikki well enough but she has never really been over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 25, 2022 20:12:32 GMT -5
Always been a fan of Nikki Cross so I'm pretty hyped about this.
Also, sheesh, wait until I go to bed to be interesting, Raw.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 25, 2022 20:21:23 GMT -5
I like Nikki well enough but she has never really been over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa. They had the chance when she had that match with "Attempt To Make Heel Against Charlotte" era Becky Lynch (this was when she was still in NXT but connected with Sanity). Just they didn't really follow up enough with her I feel.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 25, 2022 20:22:53 GMT -5
I like Nikki well enough but she has never really been over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa. Well, they never really tried getting her over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa. Even the superhero thing. She only won Money In The Bank seemingly as a swerve because everyone was expecting Morgan to win that.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Oct 25, 2022 21:10:51 GMT -5
I think Nikki's better than she's being given credit for, so I'm looking forward to seeing what comes of this. I've been wanting her, Alba and Doudrop to become a trio and I'd be pretty excited if that's what happens (just make sure closed captions are on when they do promos)
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Oct 25, 2022 21:12:14 GMT -5
I like Nikki well enough but she has never really been over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa. Well, they never really tried getting her over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa. Even the superhero thing. She only won Money In The Bank seemingly as a swerve because everyone was expecting Morgan to win that. If people go back and watch the shows from whichever year it was, she WAS starting to get a little over with the "Let Nikki play" stuff before they pulled the plug on it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 26, 2022 2:50:33 GMT -5
I like Nikki well enough but she has never really been over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa. Well, they never really tried getting her over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa. Even the superhero thing. She only won Money In The Bank seemingly as a swerve because everyone was expecting Morgan to win that. Yeah the Nikki ASH "push" was... she got her ass kicked and ONLY won via flukey rollup... which can work for a sneaky heel... but you can't do that multiple times for a face as it's showing basically that they are massively out of their depths and lucky.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 26, 2022 3:03:06 GMT -5
Well, they never really tried getting her over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa. Even the superhero thing. She only won Money In The Bank seemingly as a swerve because everyone was expecting Morgan to win that. Yeah the Nikki ASH "push" was... she got her ass kicked and ONLY won via flukey rollup... which can work for a sneaky heel... but you can't do that multiple times for a face as it's showing basically that they are massively out of their depths and lucky. To compare and contrast to Liv Morgan's recent title reign, when she won her matches against people who weren't Ronda Rousey (and she won all of them as champion until she lost the belt), she won them all in the middle with her finisher. Which tells me that the weirdness in the matches with Rousey was more to do with protecting Rousey than it was about kneecapping Morgan. In comparison, they didn't lift a finger for Nikki. And if I said at the time TO give it time (because I'm always going to be that way, sorry), then I'll put my hand up and admit I was wrong.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 26, 2022 3:13:44 GMT -5
Yeah the Nikki ASH "push" was... she got her ass kicked and ONLY won via flukey rollup... which can work for a sneaky heel... but you can't do that multiple times for a face as it's showing basically that they are massively out of their depths and lucky. To compare and contrast to Liv Morgan's recent title reign, when she won her matches against people who weren't Ronda Rousey (and she won all of them as champion until she lost the belt), she won them all in the middle with her finisher. Which tells me that weirdness in the matches with Rousey was more to do with protecting Rousey than it was about kneecapping Morgan. And even when she finally lost to Ronda they protected her not having her tap out. I feel Liv's reign would've been much better if they had her feud with people with other then Ronda. It was a such an awkward match up and there was no way they were ever going to have her beat Ronda straight up so there was no way Liv was going to come out of it without looking bad. I thought the brief feud with Shayna leading into CATC was much better and I thought was at least able to salvage her reign a little bit after the Summerslam debacle. WWE are just always going to protect their main eventers and book them strong. There's no way around it. It is what it is. It's the same thing with Damage CTRL and Bianca. They've been booked pretty strong, win the majority of their matches, and even have even pinned Bianca herself a few times albeit through shady means but they're heels and with how protected Bianca is nobodies beating her clean. However one week out of ten they lose a match to the Golden Goose and people complain about how terrible they are booked and how they're buried.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 26, 2022 4:50:34 GMT -5
Well, they never really tried getting her over on the main roster outside of teaming with Alexa. Even the superhero thing. She only won Money In The Bank seemingly as a swerve because everyone was expecting Morgan to win that. If people go back and watch the shows from whichever year it was, she WAS starting to get a little over with the "Let Nikki play" stuff before they pulled the plug on it. And in her NXT days, the "Nikki has a secret" storyline that played into a Main Roster arc was extremely over Like Nikki can get over, but especially on the main roster, the sentiment is correct, they barely tried and jobbed her out constantly even AS champion.
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