|
Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 27, 2022 19:25:19 GMT -5
I’m basically at the point with Swerve where if there are people who do not think he’s the best signing AEW had in 2022, the argument for anyone else better be damn good.
He came in with a completely understandable chip on his shoulder and everything he’s done has been setting out to prove people wrong and it’s made great entertainment for the rest of us.
|
|
Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
Posts: 48,423
|
Post by Dub H on Nov 27, 2022 19:26:27 GMT -5
I must admit, I wasn't sold on Swerve as a main event talent when he first joined AEW but this team with Keith Lee and his absolute bastardry over the last few weeks has sold me on him. I think the tag team has done so much for both of them. There was reports after they won the title that TK didnt want to give FTR Young Bucks the re-run because he wanted to build Keith,Swerve,Hobbs,Stark and Acclaimed. f***ing right call
|
|
Kalmia
King Koopa
Happy to be here
Posts: 12,436
|
Post by Kalmia on Nov 27, 2022 19:59:30 GMT -5
I must admit, I wasn't sold on Swerve as a main event talent when he first joined AEW but this team with Keith Lee and his absolute bastardry over the last few weeks has sold me on him. I think the tag team has done so much for both of them. There was reports after they won the title that TK didnt want to give FTR Young Bucks the re-run because he wanted to build Keith,Swerve,Hobbs,Stark and Acclaimed. f***ing right call FTR and the Bucks would have probably had better matches but would I have been as emotionally invested in them? Nope. Would they have done as much for AEW in the long run? That's a no, too. It was totally the right call.
|
|
|
Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 27, 2022 20:33:54 GMT -5
I must admit, I wasn't sold on Swerve as a main event talent when he first joined AEW but this team with Keith Lee and his absolute bastardry over the last few weeks has sold me on him. I think the tag team has done so much for both of them. There was reports after they won the title that TK didnt want to give FTR Young Bucks the re-run because he wanted to build Keith,Swerve,Hobbs,Stark and Acclaimed. f***ing right call FTR and the Bucks are made men already, but with The Acclaimed, there's a shot for AEW's first real homegrown tag team. Two guys who weren't much on the indies, teamed up by the company and becoming megastars over it. That's massive. Lee, Swerve, and Starks aren't really homegrown guys, but the other three all benefited from that program big time, and it all helped propel The Acclaimed to the next level. That's worth so much more than some people give it credit for. Everyone's come out of that match better than they went into it and it's made more stars for the company.
|
|
|
Post by darbus alan on Nov 27, 2022 21:17:50 GMT -5
Absolutely the right call to go with Swerve In Our Glory and Acclaimed even with how white hot a babyface act FTR are. AEW needed to create new stars and you've got them in those four.
It's interesting how different both are, too. With Lee and Swerve, you have two former WWE guys who never got the run they should've gotten there. Lee because of McMahon being a weirdo and his own health problems. Swerve because he was never really a Triple H guy and they thought his ceiling was being the stablemate of f***ing Top Dolla of all people. They also came together as a team in part to compensate for Keith Lee still needing to work his way back to having longer matches. They made for a great odd couple team with Lee getting increasingly frustrated with Swerve's heelish antics.
With The Acclaimed, while Bowens and Caster had their runs in the indies, they never teamed before until coming to AEW. So it was one of the first AEW teams to truly be a homegrown product. And with how well they complement each other, it's hard to believe they haven't been a tag-team for years before coming to AEW.
|
|
|
Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 27, 2022 22:10:31 GMT -5
Absolutely the right call to go with Swerve In Our Glory and Acclaimed even with how white hot a babyface act FTR are. AEW needed to create new stars and you've got them in those four. It's interesting how different both are, too. With Lee and Swerve, you have two former WWE guys who never got the run they should've gotten there. Lee because of McMahon being a weirdo and his own health problems. Swerve because he was never really a Triple H guy and they thought his ceiling was being the stablemate of f***ing Top Dolla of all people. They also came together as a team in part to compensate for Keith Lee still needing to work his way back to having longer matches. They made for a great odd couple team with Lee getting increasingly frustrated with Swerve's heelish antics. With The Acclaimed, while Bowens and Caster had their runs in the indies, they never teamed before until coming to AEW. So it was one of the first AEW teams to truly be a homegrown product. And with how well they complement each other, it's hard to believe they haven't been a tag-team for years before coming to AEW. It's even harder to believe they were just a pair of jobbers slapped together during a weird all-hands-on-deck period during the pandemic. Their place really seemed to just be guys who won on the Youtube shows a lot and then bounced off of higher level acts. Filler defense for the bucks, random losers to step up talking shit to Sting and Darby before getting their asses handed to them. Swerve and Lee came in as clear stars who just needed some time to find their footing and have a defined entry point into the company, but every step of the way, The Acclaimed had to keep grinding and getting more over, refining their act and coming out to bigger reactions, until they simply couldn't be midcard job guys any longer. Obviously the Daddy Ass push really helped propel them to the next level and gave them that extra bit of juice, but more than being homegrown, they're a case of a team organically getting super organically and rising up the ranks in a company that never saw this in them. Like, if Hobbs and Stark won the titles, even with the team being AEW-made, it wouldn't have landed the same way, because Ricky came in obviously a big money star and Hobbs was a big prospect who they immediately stuck into a big spot.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 12:07:17 GMT -5
If you would have told me a year ago that the Acclaimed would be the most over act in all of AEW, I would have thought you were high.
I also thought the big money in Swerve was as a babyface, but it's clear as day to me now that the dude exudes a calm maliciousness in his heel persona that so few heels really understand. He's not trying to be cool, although he is, he's just an absolute bastard that no one would really want to cheer for, which is so rare out of a modern heel.
Starks has to find his footing as a babyface. He knows how to wrestle like one, but I don't think he sounds as confident on the mic with his babyface routine as he did when he was a heel. He's getting there, he's a work in progress.
I think Hobbs took a minute to find himself, but the guy is gold. Plays a perfect tough guy bully, and if he ever wants to be face could be the Bad News Brown type of anti-hero.
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 28, 2022 12:11:23 GMT -5
If you would have told me a year ago that the Acclaimed would be the most over act in all of AEW, I would have thought you were high. A year ago? I’d say they were on the path to being an over act. Not as much as now but they had the crowd investment and were put in enough prominent positions for it to get there. Now when they first debuted on Dark and you told me “They’re going to become tag champions, have Billy Gunn as a manager and be a catalyst to Swerve having a Joker moment”, I’d look at you and say “The guy managing his kids and the guy who even NXT didn’t get but would likely keep around anyway? The F*** you talking about?”
|
|
|
Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 28, 2022 12:13:46 GMT -5
I’m basically at the point with Swerve where if there are people who do not think he’s the best signing AEW had in 2022, the argument for anyone else better be damn good. He came in with a completely understandable chip on his shoulder and everything he’s done has been setting out to prove people wrong and it’s made great entertainment for the rest of us. I think the only other potential argument would be for Toni Storm, she definitely added some legitimacy to the division this year. My personal ranking is 1. Swerve, 2. Toni, 3. Regal.
|
|
|
Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 28, 2022 12:18:25 GMT -5
I’m basically at the point with Swerve where if there are people who do not think he’s the best signing AEW had in 2022, the argument for anyone else better be damn good. He came in with a completely understandable chip on his shoulder and everything he’s done has been setting out to prove people wrong and it’s made great entertainment for the rest of us. Toni Storm is a possibility but otherwise I agree. SwerveStorm have been quite the signing.
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 28, 2022 12:20:44 GMT -5
I’m basically at the point with Swerve where if there are people who do not think he’s the best signing AEW had in 2022, the argument for anyone else better be damn good. He came in with a completely understandable chip on his shoulder and everything he’s done has been setting out to prove people wrong and it’s made great entertainment for the rest of us. I think the only other potential argument would be for Toni Storm, she definitely added some legitimacy to the division this year. My personal ranking is 1. Swerve, 2. Toni, 3. Regal. Yeah, Storm is the closest to Swerve since, and this is no disrespect to anyone on that roster, she was the closest to a oven-ready women’s talent that was ready to be built upon that was recognizable to the audience, especially considering she was just on Smackdown months before. The closest to a real Monday Night Wars jump basically on a technicality. Swerve gets it for me because of the mainstream connections he’s built and getting people like Rick “ACCUSATIONS!” Ross to appear as on Dynamite but if the factors for Toni puts her above him, I’m not going to argue that much.
|
|
|
Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 28, 2022 12:24:00 GMT -5
I think the only other potential argument would be for Toni Storm, she definitely added some legitimacy to the division this year. My personal ranking is 1. Swerve, 2. Toni, 3. Regal. Yeah, Storm is the closest to Swerve since, and this is no disrespect to anyone on that roster, she was the closest to a oven-ready women’s talent that was ready to be built upon that was recognizable to the audience, especially considering she was just on Smackdown months before. The closest to a real Monday Night Wars jump basically on a technicality. Swerve gets it for me because of the mainstream connections he’s built and getting people like Rick “ACCUSATIONS!” Ross to appear as on Dynamite but if the factors for Toni puts her above him, I’m not going to argue that much. Yeah, it's one of those arguments where it really depends on your priorities.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2023 1:18:47 GMT -5
Ricky should be getting elevated with the Jericho stuff but it sort of feels like busy work but their is some upward momentum for him from the MJF title shot and getting big programs
Swerve feels like he is waiting in the wings but don't see him vaulting up the ME without a TNT title run tho assuming Joe beats Wardlow again, wouldn't mind seeing Keith Lee with it whenever he returns
|
|
Allie Kitsune
Crow T. Robot
Always Feelin' Foxy.
HaHa U FaLL 4 LaVa TriK
Posts: 46,809
Member is Online
|
Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 6, 2023 10:09:12 GMT -5
Ricky should be getting elevated with the Jericho stuff but it sort of feels like busy work but their is some upward momentum for him from the MJF title shot and getting big programs Swerve feels like he is waiting in the wings but don't see him vaulting up the ME without a TNT title run tho assuming Joe beats Wardlow again, wouldn't mind seeing Keith Lee with it whenever he returns In general it seems like Jericho feuds just drag on too long. But I suppose they don't have any idea who else to feud Starks with right now.
|
|
The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
AGGRESSIVE Executive Janitor of the Third Floor Manager's Bathroom
Posts: 37,624
|
Post by The Ichi on Feb 6, 2023 11:13:29 GMT -5
I *get* the Jericho feuds in that he's pretty much the highest drawing heel so working with him always puts a spotlight on the other guy, but they also drag at times.
|
|
Zone Was Wrong
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Currently living off the high that AEW brings every Wednesday and Friday
Posts: 17,254
Member is Online
|
Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 6, 2023 11:45:29 GMT -5
I *get* the Jericho feuds in that he's pretty much the highest drawing heel so working with him always puts a spotlight on the other guy, but they also drag at times. To me it's getting to the point where they've gone to this well so many times but are getting diminishing results each time. Started with Orange Cassidy and it worked for him, so they've done the same thing with others. It works but it takes years to get to the point most times. I mean, it's great Starks is feuding with him and will end up winning the feud, but Jericho feuds can be a slog to get through.
|
|
Hypnosis
FANatic
Posts: 105,680
Member is Online
|
Post by Hypnosis on Feb 6, 2023 11:48:50 GMT -5
I *get* the Jericho feuds in that he's pretty much the highest drawing heel so working with him always puts a spotlight on the other guy, but they also drag at times. To me it's getting to the point where they've gone to this well so many times but are getting diminishing results each time. Started with Orange Cassidy and it worked for him, so they've done the same thing with others. It works but it takes years to get to the point most times. I mean, it's great Starks is feuding with him and will end up winning the feud, but Jericho feuds can be a slog to get through. Doesn't help that Jericho either gets more than one talking segment on Dynamite usually (in-ring and a backstage interview), or the in-ring promo segments go very long.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 6, 2023 11:55:02 GMT -5
I *get* the Jericho feuds in that he's pretty much the highest drawing heel so working with him always puts a spotlight on the other guy, but they also drag at times. The beginning and ending of his feuds are usually satisfying but the middle is a big slog to get thru
|
|
|
Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 6, 2023 12:11:43 GMT -5
so don't really know if this fits here or not, but MJF just went on twitter defending Zachary Wentz
|
|
SneakMan
Samurai Cop
Posts: 2,191
Member is Online
|
Post by SneakMan on Feb 6, 2023 12:58:11 GMT -5
so don't really know if this fits here or not, but MJF just went on twitter defending Zachary Wentz Again? I know MJF defended Wentz when everything first happened last May, saying “I lived with this man. He’s not an antisemite.” Edit: Huh, apparently he did bring it up again. Wonder what prompted it?
|
|