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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 19, 2021 16:30:25 GMT -5
Kofi dropping the title to Lesnar in a squash was such an amazingly terrible move. They take a feelgood "underdog makes good, reaches the top after years of struggle" story and shit it down the toilet to say that no, he was never in the same league as the real golden boys.
They didn't just kill Kofi as a main eventer, they killed their own ability to convince fans to invest in their angles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 21:18:37 GMT -5
I know he won the title a few times afterwards but honestly Bray Wyatt losing to Cena at Wrestlemania was a huge blow for the character.
Cult Leader Wyatt had pretty much zero credibility after this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 21:22:06 GMT -5
Ricochet getting annihilated by Brock Lesnar in Saudi Arabia last year. Man, this still pisses me off. Not the fact that Ricochet LOST... Because as much as I love Ricochet, I honestly think he had no business beating Brock Lesnar due to the size/believability factor but the fact that he got zero offense in was a joke. Even if it was a short 4 minute match, let him get SOMETHING in. Make the crowd think he has a chance for a minute before Brock shuts it down and F5s him. Ricochet never recovered after this. Its easy to remember he also gave Brock the low blow before McIntyre eliminated him in the Rumble. Ricochet looked set for a huge push around this time... Then he basically fell into jobber terriority, wearing crap attires and getting punked by The Hurt Business and Retribution every week in matches nobody cared about.
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Post by Raskovnik on Sept 19, 2021 22:49:40 GMT -5
Punk losing to HHH at Night of Champions 2011 was a large part of the resentment that arguably led us to him being in AEW Summer of Punk leading directly into Triple H vs Kevin Nash Sledgehammer Ladder match
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 19, 2021 23:14:04 GMT -5
Kofi dropping the title to Lesnar in a squash was such an amazingly terrible move. They take a feelgood "underdog makes good, reaches the top after years of struggle" story and shit it down the toilet to say that no, he was never in the same league as the real golden boys. They didn't just kill Kofi as a main eventer, they killed their own ability to convince fans to invest in their angles. Disagree. It just highlights why Kofi didn’t belong in the main event. Because what happened is exactly how a Kofi v. Brock match should go. Kofi is over. He works hard. He’s not a main event talent because when he runs into a guy like Lesnar, that’s what I expect.
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Post by flowercity on Sept 19, 2021 23:23:44 GMT -5
I know he won the title a few times afterwards but honestly Bray Wyatt losing to Cena at Wrestlemania was a huge blow for the character. Cult Leader Wyatt had pretty much zero credibility after this. Great choice. And I say that as a massive Cena fan. That match is one that had the ultra rare booking scenario where a DQ finish would have been a perfect move. It accomplishes two things...first, solidified Wyatt as being someone who can convince characters to go against their nature. Cena hitting him with the chair would have only made Wyatt look right. Second, a DQ still protects Cena. He loses, but it’s something he did. And eventually you give the win back to Cena at one of the next PPVs. Both men leave the feud as having new, stronger aspects to their character. This is a good thread. Like to read people’s opinions on stuff like this!
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Post by Blade on Sept 20, 2021 1:26:10 GMT -5
Disagree. It just highlights why Kofi didn’t belong in the main event. Because what happened is exactly how a Kofi v. Brock match should go. Kofi is over. He works hard. He’s not a main event talent because when he runs into a guy like Lesnar, that’s what I expect. He beat Daniel Bryan for the title and also successfully defended it against Randy Orton, so no, that is not what happens when he runs into main event talent. It's what happened when he ran into Lesnar because Vince transparently never got over that he never got the chance to have Lesnar kill Bryan in seconds after Wrestlemania 30, so he used this chance to shove a feel-good story that fans were genuinely invested in down the toilet instead. I mean, clearly you don't like Kofi (at least as a main eventer), and that's fine. But that doesn't make killing a world champion in seconds a good booking move. I despised Undertaker from 1991 onwards, and if CM Punk had tapped him out in a four minute squash match at Wrestlemania I would've cackled in astonished delight, but it would be an inexcusably stupid booking move regardless.
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Post by government mule on Sept 20, 2021 1:53:59 GMT -5
Vader not going over Michaels at Summerslam '96. I f***ing hate the Kliq
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 20, 2021 13:59:16 GMT -5
Sting losing to Hogan damaged the whole company.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 20, 2021 14:01:26 GMT -5
Randy Orton losing to Triple H at Unforgiven 2004 has to rank up there. Completely killed all the momentum he had going right in its tracks. Ruined his whole run up until the point he turned heel again and began feuding with the Undertaker. The f***ed up thing is he was one of Trips' pet projects. I can't conceive how that booking was supposed to help anyone.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 20, 2021 14:04:46 GMT -5
Raven losing to Jarrett in 03 Company damaging no less. I'm a fan of Jarrett but the consensus was that he was a midcarder who flopped as a main eventer in WCW and TNA opening up with him as the champ made them look low rent. Sure Raven had a bit of midcarder stink on him too but ECW was going through a sort of revival at the time and at least Raven as champ was something most people had never seen before.
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Post by chrom on Sept 20, 2021 16:37:53 GMT -5
Raven losing to Jarrett in 03 Company damaging no less. I'm a fan of Jarrett but the consensus was that he was a midcarder who flopped as a main eventer in WCW and TNA opening up with him as the champ made them look low rent. Sure Raven had a bit of midcarder stink on him too but ECW was going through a sort of revival at the time and at least Raven as champ was something most people had never seen before. Raven showing up there was the first time TNA got some actual interest in it and the match drew its largest gate at the time having to turn away fans from the Asylum due to there being no room left and all signs pointed to him winning the NWA Title
But Jarrett had to go over of course and the interest dropped like a rock.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 16:48:42 GMT -5
Nexus losing at Summerslam 2010 But I need to hear more about those wrestlers weren't ready or how Cena needed that win badly.
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Post by fw91 on Sept 20, 2021 18:10:20 GMT -5
Nexus losing at Summerslam 2010 But I need to hear more about those wrestlers weren't ready or how Cena needed that win badly. Michael Tarver was ready for that rocket brother.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Sept 20, 2021 19:46:06 GMT -5
Ryback losing to Punk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 8:25:25 GMT -5
Flair losing to Hogan twice in '94. WCW did an amazing job building Flair back up to the champ we remember prior to his goofy WWF run, and then old skinny Hogan comes in and just runs over him in a pair of paint by numbers matches. Then they went on to ruin Vader the same way.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Sept 21, 2021 12:49:33 GMT -5
HHH seems to have the record on these. CRUSHHHED: Jericho, Booker, Orton, Punk
Punk losing to HHH then saying he was wrong about Hunter was the most heat destroying thing I've seen in wrestling. When the hell else has the super over guy come out and say he was WRONG after losing???
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 21, 2021 13:28:41 GMT -5
Adam Bomb never recovered from the squash to Earthquake at WM X.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Sept 21, 2021 13:31:49 GMT -5
Sting's lost to Hogan at Starrcade started WCW's downward fall. Sting losing to Hogan damaged the whole company. Sting never lost to Hogan. They did that botched Dusty finish which would've sucked even had they done it right, but not for a moment was it presented that Hogan beat Sting. And WCW was still huge in 1998. Sting not beating Hogan decisively enough had almost no affect on business. It may have adversely affected Sting's career, but WCW came out of that virtually unscathed. Stupid booking in 1998 and 1999 was far more damaging than Starrcade 1997. As for my answer, Lex Luger. And take your pick: 1. Dusty Finish at GAB '88 2. Losses to Flair in the rematch at Starrcade '88 basically clean 3. Two screwjob losses to Flair in 1990 so they could save the big win for Sting. 4. Countout win over Yokozuna at Summerslam '93 5. DQ loss to Yokozuna at Wrestlemania X 6. Losing to Hogan at Road Wild '97 just days after winning the Title in an all time moment on Nitro so they could save the conquering moment for Sting Any one of these could have solidified Luger as a bigger star. It's a massive credit to Luger that he always stayed reasonably over after all that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 13:32:38 GMT -5
Ryback losing to Mark Henry at Wrestlemania.
Yeah, he had a few main event programs after this but Ryback as a heel SUCKED. He is one of the few wrestlers that were always better as a face. And that loss killed his momentum.
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