Legion
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Post by Legion on Dec 26, 2023 8:59:33 GMT -5
He's too young, too hip and a bit too 'of this time' rather than a more timeless Doctor. I got a similar feeling re. Matt Smith and the Pond thing, and never warmed to them.
I cant say he's really for me, but that's the point, they want a new and younger audience, not the same old people. I can objectively appreciate what they're up to, even if I feel a little out of it.
That's fine, we'll see how it goes.
Still doing the awful Lost Child bullshit, maybe RTD can make that work...
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Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Dec 26, 2023 12:36:00 GMT -5
Such a fresh approach to the character, loving 15 so far. Episode was a blast, so to was Ruby. She comes off as a very optimistic person, even through all the bad luck she ran into. Big fan of RTD's new run already. So many threads for future stories as well.
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Kalmia
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 26, 2023 18:07:45 GMT -5
Loved 15, Ruby, and their chemistry. Wasn't a huge fan of the episode as it did seem to lose its way a couple of times but it was fun and that's what a Christmas Special should be.
Looking forward to the new season though!
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 26, 2023 19:03:16 GMT -5
I personally didn't care for the Christmas special. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It annoyed me how Ruby seemed to just accept all the crazy stuff happening way too easily. It was as if she and the Doctor had been on numerous adventures already instead of it being their first adventure. By the time they did the whole "it's bigger on the inside" thing with the TARDIS it was out of character for her to be amazed by it. While I suppose that means they have great chemistry together, as her introduction to the Doctor it hurt the suspension of disbelief for me.
Then there was the musical number. I suppose I didn't mind the goblins singing but the Doctor and Ruby busting out into a seemingly per-rehearsed song routine made no sense. This is the second story in a row with a song and dance routine. Is Doctor Who a musical now? At least with the Toymaker he could bend reality so you had that as the explanation. STOP trying to make things that aren't musicals, musicals.
You also had the Doctor do two things that seemed uncharacteristic for him. 1. He killed the Goblin King and presumably the othe goblins. This is a man that couldn't bring himself to kill the Daleks. Maybe he didn't mean to? Didn't seem too broken up about it. 2. He went back to save that woman who was killed by the falling Christmas tree. The Doctor can just go back in time and prevent people from dying now can he? Why doesn't he do that all the time?
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Post by thechase on Dec 27, 2023 1:12:44 GMT -5
{Spoiler} {Spoiler}He went back to save that woman who was killed by the falling Christmas tree. The Doctor can just go back in time and prevent people from dying now can he? Why doesn't he do that all the time? {Spoiler}In the woman's case, one could argue it was a necessity given Davina is a real life national treasure in the UK and a major television presence, if she were playing someone else maybe she would have been left as any other Goblin victim, but she was playing herself
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 27, 2023 2:30:30 GMT -5
It was a solid episode with great chemistry between the new leads. My Mrs had her reservations but I felt even just a solid episode of Who is a marked improvement over years of poor Jodie trying to breathe life into a script that was DOA.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 27, 2023 20:06:47 GMT -5
Finally got around to watching the latest special. It took me a little bit to warm up to Ncuti, but I was feeling him by the end. As for the episode itself, it kind of had a Moffat feel to it, with sort of a fairy tale-like narrative to it, and the "villain" being less a monster and more some kind of concept that you don't completely understand, but it still kept that swashbuckling RTD feel to it and didn't get too carried away with the esoteric.
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Post by thechase on Dec 28, 2023 3:07:41 GMT -5
The BBC put out a New Year preview of their upcoming dramas, some new Doctor Who footage is included
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 28, 2023 6:28:07 GMT -5
I was charmed by Ncuti and Millie, so that and some characteristic RTD heartfelt character moments and dialogue made it a breeze to watch. Very amused with the Davina stuff.
Not the strongest, most Christmas eps aren't I feel as it's more about the fluffy romp, and the goblins were really just nothing much.
Like with Wild Blue Yonder, RTD once again handled those Chibnall era elements better than Chibnall did.
From the next time trailer, I have a fairly good handle on a couple episodes, but nothing else. Good, want some surprises.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 28, 2023 10:23:45 GMT -5
I personally didn't care for the Christmas special. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It annoyed me how Ruby seemed to just accept all the crazy stuff happening way too easily. It was as if she and the Doctor had been on numerous adventures already instead of it being their first adventure. By the time they did the whole "it's bigger on the inside" thing with the TARDIS it was out of character for her to be amazed by it. While I suppose that means they have great chemistry together, as her introduction to the Doctor it hurt the suspension of disbelief for me.
Then there was the musical number. I suppose I didn't mind the goblins singing but the Doctor and Ruby busting out into a seemingly per-rehearsed song routine made no sense. This is the second story in a row with a song and dance routine. Is Doctor Who a musical now? At least with the Toymaker he could bend reality so you had that as the explanation. STOP trying to make things that aren't musicals, musicals.
You also had the Doctor do two things that seemed uncharacteristic for him. 1. He killed the Goblin King and presumably the othe goblins. This is a man that couldn't bring himself to kill the Daleks. Maybe he didn't mean to? Didn't seem too broken up about it. 2. He went back to save that woman who was killed by the falling Christmas tree. The Doctor can just go back in time and prevent people from dying now can he? Why doesn't he do that all the time?
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} The way I saw it, The Doctor was on his 3rd villain musical routine in 4 days of his timespan, so he was just sick enough of it that he decided to take one over for himself, and Ruby looked more like she'd had it dropped on her than The Doctor did, hence why her lyrics were a lot more ad libbed, but she's also in a band so at least being able to keep up isn't out of the plausibility. I'm assuming the fact weird shit like this keeps happening is an after effect of either the salt line or the Toymaker.
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 28, 2023 17:52:26 GMT -5
It's weird it followed the specials in introducing interesting concepts that could sustain multiple episodes but were wasted as throwaway stuff. Feeding off bad luck and coincidence this time, everyone being sure they're 100% right, everything at the edge of the universe.
Still the parentage and neighbour mysteries could be interesting. Personally I think The Silence would fit perfectly with the church and could help explain both no record of Ruby's parents and why she's so accepting of weird happenings.
I think I'll like Ncuti and Ruby, they seem to have good chemistry (too good really as they've just met).
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Post by schma on Dec 30, 2023 1:52:02 GMT -5
I finally got to see the episode and enjoyed it.It was lighthearted and ridiculous with not a dalek or cyberman in sight.
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I was surprised that the doctor didn't follow the mother to figure out who she was, but I'm guessing it's so they can milk that mystery a little.
The bit with the neighbour was fun, but I don't know if it was just holiday silliness or she's more important.
I found the turn around of the lady who adopts all the children to be a bit over the top. I get that Ruby is special but she got her as a baby, what made her so special that she changed everything?
All in all I had a good time though.
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FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 30, 2023 5:34:48 GMT -5
I personally didn't care for the Christmas special. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It annoyed me how Ruby seemed to just accept all the crazy stuff happening way too easily. It was as if she and the Doctor had been on numerous adventures already instead of it being their first adventure. By the time they did the whole "it's bigger on the inside" thing with the TARDIS it was out of character for her to be amazed by it. While I suppose that means they have great chemistry together, as her introduction to the Doctor it hurt the suspension of disbelief for me.
Then there was the musical number. I suppose I didn't mind the goblins singing but the Doctor and Ruby busting out into a seemingly per-rehearsed song routine made no sense. This is the second story in a row with a song and dance routine. Is Doctor Who a musical now? At least with the Toymaker he could bend reality so you had that as the explanation. STOP trying to make things that aren't musicals, musicals.
You also had the Doctor do two things that seemed uncharacteristic for him. 1. He killed the Goblin King and presumably the othe goblins. This is a man that couldn't bring himself to kill the Daleks. Maybe he didn't mean to? Didn't seem too broken up about it. 2. He went back to save that woman who was killed by the falling Christmas tree. The Doctor can just go back in time and prevent people from dying now can he? Why doesn't he do that all the time?
"Stop trying to make things that aren't musicals musicals" - Well, I don't know how to break it to you but Doctor Who has been doing this since April 1966.
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Post by thechase on Dec 30, 2023 5:40:01 GMT -5
I personally didn't care for the Christmas special. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It annoyed me how Ruby seemed to just accept all the crazy stuff happening way too easily. It was as if she and the Doctor had been on numerous adventures already instead of it being their first adventure. By the time they did the whole "it's bigger on the inside" thing with the TARDIS it was out of character for her to be amazed by it. While I suppose that means they have great chemistry together, as her introduction to the Doctor it hurt the suspension of disbelief for me.
Then there was the musical number. I suppose I didn't mind the goblins singing but the Doctor and Ruby busting out into a seemingly per-rehearsed song routine made no sense. This is the second story in a row with a song and dance routine. Is Doctor Who a musical now? At least with the Toymaker he could bend reality so you had that as the explanation. STOP trying to make things that aren't musicals, musicals.
You also had the Doctor do two things that seemed uncharacteristic for him. 1. He killed the Goblin King and presumably the othe goblins. This is a man that couldn't bring himself to kill the Daleks. Maybe he didn't mean to? Didn't seem too broken up about it. 2. He went back to save that woman who was killed by the falling Christmas tree. The Doctor can just go back in time and prevent people from dying now can he? Why doesn't he do that all the time?
"Stop trying to make things that aren't musicals musicals" - Well, I don't know how to break it to you but Doctor Who has been doing this since April 1966. Simpsons Big Finish did it!
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FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 30, 2023 5:49:37 GMT -5
"Stop trying to make things that aren't musicals musicals" - Well, I don't know how to break it to you but Doctor Who has been doing this since April 1966. Simpsons Big Finish did it! Big Finish did it (twice, also with the excellent Jo Grant story The Scorchies), The Gunfighters did it with the Ballad Of The Last Chance Saloon, we had Daleks In Manhattan with a full Broadway esque number, and all the RTD Christmas specials (bar Waters Of Mars for obvious reasons) had a special song written for them either done non diegetically or happening in the background, with Song For Ten, Love Don't Roam and The Stowaway. Plus, RTD has been on a theatre hiring tear. From three different Melchiors from Spring Awakening to Jinkx Monsoon to the policeman in the Christmas special being Barney Wilkinson, the understudy lead in both Bat Out Of Hell and Bonnie And Clyde on the West End.
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Post by thechase on Dec 30, 2023 5:54:26 GMT -5
Simpsons Big Finish did it! Big Finish did it (twice, also with the excellent Jo Grant story The Scorchies), The Gunfighters did it with the Ballad Of The Last Chance Saloon, we had Daleks In Manhattan with a full Broadway esque number, and all the RTD Christmas specials (bar Waters Of Mars for obvious reasons) had a special song written for them either done non diegetically or happening in the background, with Song For Ten, Love Don't Roam and The Stowaway. Plus, RTD has been on a theatre hiring tear. From three different Melchiors from Spring Awakening to Jinkx Monsoon to the policeman in the Christmas special being Barney Wilkinson, the understudy lead in both Bat Out Of Hell and Bonnie And Clyde on the West End. All those too, yeah. Admittedly a lot of that has went out of my mind due to only watching some things once. Funny how most of the criticisms aimed at the show nowadays all have to do with things people took for granted in previous eras
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 30, 2023 20:56:18 GMT -5
Watched The Empty Child with my son today
He acted scared, then was going “Mummy. Mummy. Are you my mummy?” all day long, much to my wife’s dismay
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 31, 2023 15:03:09 GMT -5
I finally got to see the episode and enjoyed it.It was lighthearted and ridiculous with not a dalek or cyberman in sight. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I was surprised that the doctor didn't follow the mother to figure out who she was, but I'm guessing it's so they can milk that mystery a little.
The bit with the neighbour was fun, but I don't know if it was just holiday silliness or she's more important.
I found the turn around of the lady who adopts all the children to be a bit over the top. I get that Ruby is special but she got her as a baby, what made her so special that she changed everything?
All in all I had a good time though. Early prediction for that mystery for Red Dwarf fans, it's Our Rob or Ross.
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Post by ace on Dec 31, 2023 15:06:21 GMT -5
Since there is no one anywhere to be found with her DNA…I’m predicting she was born out of some sloppily explained paradox and the woman leaving the baby is her grown up self.
Either way…Ncuti is an absolute star and they are very lucky to have him. I never saw him in anything before but whatever “it” is…he has all of it.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 1, 2024 4:56:27 GMT -5
I personally didn't care for the Christmas special. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It annoyed me how Ruby seemed to just accept all the crazy stuff happening way too easily. It was as if she and the Doctor had been on numerous adventures already instead of it being their first adventure. By the time they did the whole "it's bigger on the inside" thing with the TARDIS it was out of character for her to be amazed by it. While I suppose that means they have great chemistry together, as her introduction to the Doctor it hurt the suspension of disbelief for me.
Then there was the musical number. I suppose I didn't mind the goblins singing but the Doctor and Ruby busting out into a seemingly per-rehearsed song routine made no sense. This is the second story in a row with a song and dance routine. Is Doctor Who a musical now? At least with the Toymaker he could bend reality so you had that as the explanation. STOP trying to make things that aren't musicals, musicals.
You also had the Doctor do two things that seemed uncharacteristic for him. 1. He killed the Goblin King and presumably the othe goblins. This is a man that couldn't bring himself to kill the Daleks. Maybe he didn't mean to? Didn't seem too broken up about it. 2. He went back to save that woman who was killed by the falling Christmas tree. The Doctor can just go back in time and prevent people from dying now can he? Why doesn't he do that all the time?
"Stop trying to make things that aren't musicals musicals" - Well, I don't know how to break it to you but Doctor Who has been doing this since April 1966. Also, The Doctor doesn't kill... apart from the dozens of times he has or an equivalent. Its not his go to move, but every Doctor bar 8 due to lack of time, has been responsible for at least 1 villain dying. Heck the companions had to stop Hartnell smashing a cavemans brain in with a rock.
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