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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Jan 6, 2024 20:16:09 GMT -5
I personally didn't care for the Christmas special. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It annoyed me how Ruby seemed to just accept all the crazy stuff happening way too easily. It was as if she and the Doctor had been on numerous adventures already instead of it being their first adventure. By the time they did the whole "it's bigger on the inside" thing with the TARDIS it was out of character for her to be amazed by it. While I suppose that means they have great chemistry together, as her introduction to the Doctor it hurt the suspension of disbelief for me.
Then there was the musical number. I suppose I didn't mind the goblins singing but the Doctor and Ruby busting out into a seemingly per-rehearsed song routine made no sense. This is the second story in a row with a song and dance routine. Is Doctor Who a musical now? At least with the Toymaker he could bend reality so you had that as the explanation. STOP trying to make things that aren't musicals, musicals.
You also had the Doctor do two things that seemed uncharacteristic for him. 1. He killed the Goblin King and presumably the othe goblins. This is a man that couldn't bring himself to kill the Daleks. Maybe he didn't mean to? Didn't seem too broken up about it. 2. He went back to save that woman who was killed by the falling Christmas tree. The Doctor can just go back in time and prevent people from dying now can he? Why doesn't he do that all the time?
"Stop trying to make things that aren't musicals musicals" - Well, I don't know how to break it to you but Doctor Who has been doing this since April 1966. I don't recall a single time where they did a musical number until recently. Can you give an example? I know I've seen most of the 1st, 2nd (surviving), and 3rd Doctor's stories as well as all of the 4th Doctor's stories. I don't recall any in New Who either.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Jan 6, 2024 20:18:43 GMT -5
Simpsons Big Finish did it! Big Finish did it (twice, also with the excellent Jo Grant story The Scorchies), The Gunfighters did it with the Ballad Of The Last Chance Saloon, we had Daleks In Manhattan with a full Broadway esque number, and all the RTD Christmas specials (bar Waters Of Mars for obvious reasons) had a special song written for them either done non diegetically or happening in the background, with Song For Ten, Love Don't Roam and The Stowaway. Plus, RTD has been on a theatre hiring tear. From three different Melchiors from Spring Awakening to Jinkx Monsoon to the policeman in the Christmas special being Barney Wilkinson, the understudy lead in both Bat Out Of Hell and Bonnie And Clyde on the West End. There is a difference between there being music performed in a show and a musical where the characters start breaking out into song and dance like it's a normal thing for people to do.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jan 6, 2024 21:02:47 GMT -5
I simply thought the Doctor and Ruby singing expressed a mathematico-magical engagement with the coincidental technologic of the goblins' universe. Remember: the Doctor trying to understand how the ropes worked. What is music if not maths?
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Jan 6, 2024 21:27:36 GMT -5
"Stop trying to make things that aren't musicals musicals" - Well, I don't know how to break it to you but Doctor Who has been doing this since April 1966. I don't recall a single time where they did a musical number until recently. Can you give an example? I know I've seen most of the 1st, 2nd (surviving), and 3rd Doctor's stories as well as all of the 4th Doctor's stories. I don't recall any in New Who either. there has been a few musical numbers in the current version, Daleks in Manhatten two parter had one but it's how one of the characters for the story is introduced, rings of akhaten had the young girl singing the stories to their "god", the christmas special that was a version of christmas carol had the woman who sang towards the end I think. not sure if there was more or not. usually it has a point to it happening other than "you know what, I'm gong to make them sing for shits and giggles." as it's either story based or a guest star who is known as a singer and not just jammed into the show.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 7, 2024 14:05:36 GMT -5
"Stop trying to make things that aren't musicals musicals" - Well, I don't know how to break it to you but Doctor Who has been doing this since April 1966. I don't recall a single time where they did a musical number until recently. Can you give an example? I know I've seen most of the 1st, 2nd (surviving), and 3rd Doctor's stories as well as all of the 4th Doctor's stories. I don't recall any in New Who either. The Gunfighters literally has a song being sung about the events of the plot. Constantly. Overwhelmingly, even. And as mentioned, Daleks In Manhattan has the whole musical number that while worked into the plot is focused on by the episode as a musical number in and of itself since, y'know, they're on Broadway, why not go for it? There is a difference between there being music performed in a show and a musical where the characters start breaking out into song and dance like it's a normal thing for people to do. Also given that Jinkx Monsoon is playing a villain with a piano costume motif, could be their work that things are getting a little more musical. Or maybe we shouldn't be talking about what's a normal thing for people to do in a show where everyone now uses the word mavity because Newton heard it wrong.
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Post by thechase on Jan 11, 2024 12:05:39 GMT -5
Season 15 Collection box set announced, and with it a new mini-episode.
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Post by thechase on Jan 20, 2024 3:14:56 GMT -5
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 20, 2024 4:11:03 GMT -5
Oh, that's... odd
I thought they worked really well together.
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Post by thechase on Jan 20, 2024 4:44:01 GMT -5
Oh, that's... odd I thought they worked really well together. I don't think anything too troubling happened behind the scenes, RTD is well versed in doing seasons where one of the regulars is eventually replaced after one series with recurring appearances afterwards. Three eps is also a quarter of the series given the episode count.
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Post by Legion on Jan 20, 2024 7:29:08 GMT -5
Huh, their chemistry was the saving grace of that Christmas episode.
Here we go again with someone new then.
Plus even more racism no doubt.
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Post by ace on Jan 20, 2024 11:54:20 GMT -5
Just to point out how funny it is with how far they’ve filmed ahead. She has an entire season, a Christmas special, and three episodes of the second season that haven’t aired yet. And we’re hearing about her departure after her first episode.
We’re going to hear Ncuti is leaving the show between the first and second season. Then sit back and wait for another two years of his episodes and a trilogy of specials.
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Post by thechase on Jan 22, 2024 10:33:32 GMT -5
Filming today at Pernarth Bay and we're getting our first real taste of the new companion in action {Spoiler}Looks like they're going to be in the 50s and might meet Rock Hudson
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Post by thechase on Jan 22, 2024 12:37:42 GMT -5
There's that money shot! {Spoiler} {Spoiler}
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Post by thechase on Jan 24, 2024 8:31:30 GMT -5
Oh boy, this Millie situation is getting crazy
As some might be aware, yesterday kicked off the London Toyfare. Some new toy prototypes were unveiled that included one for Ruby. Word came back from the developers these toys hadn't gone into full production yet, and there was now a chance that Ruby's toy might not be distributed.
Another Youtuber, Doctor Freedom, who isn't one to exaggerate for clicks, is claiming Millie's on-set behaviour caused the cast to complain a lot and she was 'demanding' of script revisions.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 24, 2024 9:23:02 GMT -5
A companion leaving after a season-and-a-bit shouldn't be a weird situation at all.
If they weren't filming both new series back to back it'd be much less commented on, I think.
Mostly, I'm uncomfortable with the sensationalism framing in some newspapers, and the rumours about problems. This is a very young actress, and that kind of stuff can really wreck a career dead, even if later proven to be false and exaggerated.
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Post by thechase on Jan 24, 2024 9:44:17 GMT -5
Mostly, I'm uncomfortable with the sensationalism framing in some newspapers, and the rumours about problems. This is a very young actress, and that kind of stuff can really wreck a career dead, even if later proven to be false and exaggerated. RTD is making the same mistake he made with Eccelston and isn't saying anything to protect Gibson or to minimise if not flat out bury these allegations, this is a bad, bad look for Bad Wolf Studios and the series overall because now they have to air something in May with this cloud hanging over it. We don't know how press interviews are going to go, if Millie will even make media appearances etc, if Doctor Who Magazine will interview her.
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Post by ZERO on Jan 26, 2024 8:29:50 GMT -5
Yeah, it's pretty shitty the way she's being treated, or not treated, as it were.
It could actually be detrimental to the forthcoming season because why should be get invested so deeply in the 15/Ruby pairing if she's going so soon and we know when? A shame as I was on board with finding out more about her after the Christmas special.
I'm gonna change the subject a bit regarding toys/merch, as I've had an urge to buy some Dalek figurines.
In a few towns near to me there are some of those "tvm" shops that sell TV & Movie-related merch. They have a bunch of Eaglemoss Collections stuff, including Doctor Who ones, various incarnations of The Doctor and other characters.
I have had a REALLY childish urge to buy a load of the Daleks. But they're £20-£40 each.
Yet, on Amazon for about £60, there's a "Dalek Parliament set 1" - which has at least three daleks I want - the grey Genesis Dalek, the white "Necros" Dalek (I like "Revelation of the Daleks"' and think the white ones look really cool) and the bronze "Last Dalek" (aka the "Metaltron" Bronze Dalek first seen in 2005)
Are these sets the same ones that tvm sells individually? Because the parliament set works out better value than those if they are.
I'm thinking of diving into some more classic Who via the iPlayer once I'm done with another thing I'm watching right now. I'm finding the prospect of 600+ episodes a bit daunting to watch in order so anyone with suggestions of classic stories with any Doctor/companion setup and indeed any recurring foes etc are welcome. Obviously it helps if they're complete, which it seems would be a problem for much of the 2nd Doctor era, that seems to be the one with a lot of missing episodes.
Yeah, suggest some classic Who to watch please!
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Post by thechase on Jan 26, 2024 8:54:15 GMT -5
I'm thinking of diving into some more classic Who via the iPlayer once I'm done with another thing I'm watching right now. I'm finding the prospect of 600+ episodes a bit daunting to watch in order so anyone with suggestions of classic stories with any Doctor/companion setup and indeed any recurring foes etc are welcome. Obviously it helps if they're complete, which it seems would be a problem for much of the 2nd Doctor era, that seems to be the one with a lot of missing episodes. Yeah, suggest some classic Who to watch please! Try a good chunk of Tom Barker's early series, from "Genesis of the Daleks" through to "Talons of Wieng-Chiang"
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Post by thechase on Jan 29, 2024 3:47:58 GMT -5
Interestingly, Russel's now come and said to readers of Doctor Who Magazine they were hoping and lobbying for series 14 to air this month, but the BBC had other plans.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 29, 2024 5:46:57 GMT -5
I'm thinking of diving into some more classic Who via the iPlayer once I'm done with another thing I'm watching right now. I'm finding the prospect of 600+ episodes a bit daunting to watch in order so anyone with suggestions of classic stories with any Doctor/companion setup and indeed any recurring foes etc are welcome. Obviously it helps if they're complete, which it seems would be a problem for much of the 2nd Doctor era, that seems to be the one with a lot of missing episodes. Yeah, suggest some classic Who to watch please! Sure! Here's a grab-bag of what I think are good stories and (Mind Robber aside) also early stories in each era, to give you a flavour. The Fourth Doctor's era alone covers so many stories, there are three distinct production tones, but this is a good start. One for each Classic Doctor. 1st Doctor - The Aztecs 2nd Doctor - The Mind Robber 3rd Doctor - The Daemons 4th Doctor - The Ark in Space 5th Doctor - The Visitation 6th Doctor - Attack of the Cybermen 7th Doctor - Remembrance of the Daleks Hope you find some stories here to enjoy.
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