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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 17, 2021 5:20:20 GMT -5
A sandwich is two bits of bread with a filling. A hot dog is one bit of bread with something in it, therefore by definition it is not a sandwich
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Oct 17, 2021 8:07:57 GMT -5
A sandwich is two bits of bread with a filling. A hot dog is one bit of bread with something in it, therefore by definition it is not a sandwich So... is a hot dog a taco?
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 17, 2021 9:04:20 GMT -5
If we’re gonna talk about “context,” too, it has to be said that the Rampage Buy In has 710K views and counting. I think the peak viewership during the live showing was 98K.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 17, 2021 9:06:42 GMT -5
That's fair enough, but at the same time, they really didn't do much to make NXT worth a damn in that time period. They seemed a bit lackadaisical to kinda let AEW take the night. NXT felt a lot more of a bigger deal when it was unopposed off USA. I think that WWE at least thought it was doing things to make NXT feel bigger during that time period, with stuff like NXT being treated as on par with the other two brands, Charlotte and Finn showing up, etc… It’s just, the booking wasn’t particularly good so it all fell flat and WWE pivoted to the “eh, we weren’t trying THAT hard to beat them, honestly” narrative. They really didn’t try that hard, outside of like a month or two in through Survivor Series 2019. They didn’t even advertise the show on Raw itself for pretty much the entirety of its Wednesday run.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 17, 2021 9:10:30 GMT -5
I think that goes back to the question of who is WWE? It's hard to say it's objectively worse when there's so much interpretation involved to get there. The first 10 pages of this thread were people saying this was no big deal and all part of the fun of two companies going head to head. The last five or so is all about how awful the other side is, Vincels and WWE trolls. I think the AEW vs WWE thing is clearly pretty toxic, particularly on Twitter. People from either company deliberately stoking that up - while not exactly crime of the century stuff - is at the very least unneccesary. It's multi-multi-millionaires riling up people who are too invest in this, to spend all day fighting on their behalf. To paint Tony as not doing that, just innocently promoting his show, seems disingenuous to me. Whenever the ratings do come out you can guarantee that he will post something slanted to AEW having 'won' vs WWE and this whole thing will go round and round again. The original post condemned it, and there is a lot of condemnation sprinkled through the thread. TK got compared to Trump for that tweet. And I'm not painting him as 'just innocently promoting his show'. I'm saying what he did had practical effects that weren't only trying to stir the pot. He did it by stirring the pot. He capitalized on a stirred pot. That part isn't anything I'm denying. I'm saying that misleading people with incomplete numbers and using the media as a proxy, with no actual gain other than trying to stir the pot, stands to me as worse. There is no gain, there is only divisiveness. There is only the intention to provoke, with nobody saying "Hey thanks loyal Smackdown fans for staying with us and winning us the night, tune in again next week to the best wrestling on Friday nights". That's the difference. I think it’s a lot more of a direct statement/jab at the other side when the owner tweets things out versus these unverifiable accounts that WWE is leaking out numbers in an effort to make AEW look bad. It’s also worth noting that we’ve been getting the fast nationals ratings for Friday Smackdown leaked for months and months, way before Rampage was a thing. This would be a lot more fun if Vince or Stephanie were directly tweeting jabs out at the other side.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 10:01:02 GMT -5
If we’re gonna talk about “context,” too, it has to be said that the Rampage Buy In has 710K views and counting. I think the peak viewership during the live showing was 98K. Right, that’s the “context” I was trying to give. AEW has a ton of fans who watch streaming at their leisure. Sure, WWE does too, but that’s indicative of how little live television ratings are really indicative of overall popularity in 2021. I’m not saying they don’t matter, I’m just saying they are decidedly not this be all end all barometer of popularity that they are treated as by certain pockets of the wrestling fandom anymore. The Buy-In is now up to 782K views. People are watching AEW content, just not necessarily when it’s on live at 9 PM EST on a Friday night. I’m definitely not in the camp that would ever imply that AEW is, somehow, more “popular” than WWE. It’s not, and it may never be. WWE is a “family friendly” entertainment product with 30+ years of brand recognition driving it. AEW is a pro wrestling product that appeals to pro wrestling fans which, at this point, is decidedly a niche. But, I also recognize how disingenuous it is for WWE to try and spin it as some kind of positive that an upstart promotion is nipping at its heels to the extent that AEW is.
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 17, 2021 10:12:48 GMT -5
A sandwich is two bits of bread with a filling. A hot dog is one bit of bread with something in it, therefore by definition it is not a sandwich So if I take a long sub roll, cut into the bread but leave it attached with a hinge, put ham, cheese, vegetables, and condiments on it then that's not a sandwich but actually a hot dog? So if the roll I put my hot dog in breaks then it's no longer a hot dog and is actually a sandwich? If you take a sausage and eat it on bread it's typically called a sausage sandwich. A hot dog is literally a sausage.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 17, 2021 10:23:12 GMT -5
I think the peak viewership during the live showing was 98K. Right, that’s the “context” I was trying to give. AEW has a ton of fans who watch streaming at their leisure. Sure, WWE does too, but that’s indicative of how little live television ratings are really indicative of overall popularity in 2021. I’m not saying they don’t matter, I’m just saying they are decidedly not this be all end all barometer of popularity that they are treated as by certain pockets of the wrestling fandom anymore. The Buy-In is now up to 782K views. People are watching AEW content, just not necessarily when it’s on live at 9 PM EST on a Friday night. I’m definitely not in the camp that would ever imply that AEW is, somehow, more “popular” than WWE. It’s not, and it may never be. WWE is a “family friendly” entertainment product with 30+ years of brand recognition driving it. AEW is a pro wrestling product that appeals to pro wrestling fans which, at this point, is decidedly a niche. But, I also recognize how disingenuous it is for WWE to try and spin it as some kind of positive that an upstart promotion is nipping at its heels to the extent that AEW is. Oh I’m sure plenty checked out the Buy In after it aired (I did at least to watch Bryan-Suzuki after hearing the buzz about it). I was more posting that just looking at YouTube views isn’t a great barometer of how many people are actually watching something.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 17, 2021 10:29:36 GMT -5
A sandwich is two bits of bread with a filling. A hot dog is one bit of bread with something in it, therefore by definition it is not a sandwich So if I take a long sub roll, cut into the bread but leave it attached with a hinge, put ham, cheese, vegetables, and condiments on it then that's not a sandwich but actually a hot dog? So if the roll I put my hot dog in breaks then it's no longer a hot dog and is actually a sandwich? If you take a sausage and eat it on bread it's typically called a sausage sandwich. A hot dog is literally a sausage. But if you had a sausage sandwich, would you call it a hotdog? If I said I was off to get you a hotdog and came back with a sausage sandwich, would you be surprised?
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Post by Square on Oct 17, 2021 10:41:52 GMT -5
A sandwich is two bits of bread with a filling. A hot dog is one bit of bread with something in it, therefore by definition it is not a sandwich So if I take a long sub roll, cut into the bread but leave it attached with a hinge, put ham, cheese, vegetables, and condiments on it then that's not a sandwich but actually a hot dog? So if the roll I put my hot dog in breaks then it's no longer a hot dog and is actually a sandwich? If you take a sausage and eat it on bread it's typically called a sausage sandwich. A hot dog is literally a sausage. Technically it only becomes a hot dog when bread and sausage combine
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Post by y4j1981 on Oct 17, 2021 13:03:06 GMT -5
A sandwich is two bits of bread with a filling. A hot dog is one bit of bread with something in it, therefore by definition it is not a sandwich So... is a hot dog a taco? Quick Google searches bring up teo different quotes: And: So who knows but I found a site asking the real question:
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 17, 2021 13:09:51 GMT -5
But is Tony Khan a sandwich?
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Post by Chiral on Oct 17, 2021 15:14:37 GMT -5
The original post condemned it, and there is a lot of condemnation sprinkled through the thread. TK got compared to Trump for that tweet. And I'm not painting him as 'just innocently promoting his show'. I'm saying what he did had practical effects that weren't only trying to stir the pot. He did it by stirring the pot. He capitalized on a stirred pot. That part isn't anything I'm denying. I'm saying that misleading people with incomplete numbers and using the media as a proxy, with no actual gain other than trying to stir the pot, stands to me as worse. There is no gain, there is only divisiveness. There is only the intention to provoke, with nobody saying "Hey thanks loyal Smackdown fans for staying with us and winning us the night, tune in again next week to the best wrestling on Friday nights". That's the difference. To me it's like if WWE and AEW are two lemonade stands, TK's at his shouting over like "Hey my lemonade kicks ass and I bet I'll sell more cups at the big lemonade crossover event, shoutout to my fans etc." while Vince and co. are like "Vince should we stop selling the toxic sludge fart scented lemonade and try to improve the formula?" "Hell no there's nothing wrong with our toxic sludge fart scented lemonade! Someone go over there and start spreading rumors about how their lemonade is made from systematically feeding babies to hungry mutated puppies. Under no circumstances will we make any effort to change our product."
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Post by Macho Pichu on Oct 17, 2021 20:32:22 GMT -5
How did we derail a ratings war into the hotdog debate?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 17, 2021 20:58:50 GMT -5
How did we derail a ratings war into the hotdog debate? FAN. The answer is FAN.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 17, 2021 21:02:46 GMT -5
How did we derail a ratings war into the hotdog debate? More than being ornery nerds who argue about wrestling, we're also very hungry and like food.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 17, 2021 21:04:30 GMT -5
How did we derail a ratings war into the hotdog debate? Our way of easing tension. We should probably talk about food in live threads the next time Elite wins a match on TV or PPV against Dark Order or Jurassic Express again.
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Post by Mecca on Oct 17, 2021 21:27:57 GMT -5
I'd like to pretend it actually IS Vince. Like, he's spending all his time getting early AEW ratings numbers out to reporters and scripting things for his wrestlers to say in interviews as opposed to, you know, booking his wrestling promotion. Man if you've seen that booking you know he's got some free time.
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Post by Mike Strike on Oct 18, 2021 1:20:38 GMT -5
If I take a hotdog bun and tear it in 2 then does it become a sandwich? It's literally the same amount of bread, nothings different!
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Post by Cyno on Oct 18, 2021 2:09:09 GMT -5
Also a hot dog is technically a sandwich. The best kind of sandwich.
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