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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 18, 2021 23:20:13 GMT -5
AEW isn't even remotely established enough to go head to head with Raw. People are generally creatures of habit. I'd argue they'd need several more good years before even thinking about doing thar. Unless the WWE implodes on itself or something. I think AEW could beat Raw in the demo right now if they went head to head 2 hours every Monday.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2021 23:21:14 GMT -5
Yeah, they should aggressively take the fight to WWE like TNA did when they moved Impact to Mondays head-to-head against Raw. It sure worked out for them. It can't be overstated just how badly the last time Bischoff tried to "COMPETE" with the WWE went was. I mean the Network flat out moved them off Monday like what 3 weeks later? not to mention that only seeing head to head/direct competition as the ONLY form of competition is stupid... and ultimately one of the biggest mistakes TNA continually made. Impact is only now actually recovering from that mistake. After almost dying multiple times over the last decade. It's frankly a miracle TNA didn't die like WCW and the only reason they didn't is because Anthem bought them out. They got very lucky. Bischoff and Hogan ran them into the ground and it frankly to me makes anything Bischoff says about "What he would do" or "What AEW should do" fall on deaf ears. Especially considering his big idea in trying to get TNA competitive was "Do the NWO again but this time MUCH worse"...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 18, 2021 23:23:55 GMT -5
It can't be overstated just how badly the last time Bischoff tried to "COMPETE" with the WWE went was. I mean the Network flat out moved them off Monday like what 3 weeks later? not to mention that only seeing head to head/direct competition as the ONLY form of competition is stupid... and ultimately one of the biggest mistakes TNA continually made. Impact is only now actually recovering from that mistake. After almost dying multiple times over the last decade. It's frankly a miracle TNA didn't die like WCW and the only reason they didn't is because Anthem bought them out. They got very lucky. Bischoff and Hogan ran them into the ground and it frankly to me makes anything Bischoff says about "What he would do" or "What AEW should do" fall on deaf ears. Especially considering his big idea in trying to get TNA competitive was "Do the NWO again but this time MUCH worse"... as I said earlier Bischoff literally has 2 ideas. THE NWO AGAIN! and get talent from other places by offering massive contracts on someone else's dime that's what he did in WCW and what he tried to do in TNA
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Post by Mecca on Oct 18, 2021 23:25:12 GMT -5
AEW isn't even remotely established enough to go head to head with Raw. People are generally creatures of habit. I'd argue they'd need several more good years before even thinking about doing thar. Unless the WWE implodes on itself or something. I think AEW could beat Raw in the demo right now if they went head to head 2 hours every Monday. It's hard to say, it's 2 very different fan bases but the fact that wrestling has been on USA on Monday helps WWE. I like what AEW does alot more... but I also don't have small children etc.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2021 23:26:12 GMT -5
I rolled my eyes when I seen Bischoff's tweet because it didn't make any sense to me. But after viewing the video and listened to what he meant and how he meant it,Bischoff is absolutely right. But I don't think Kahn is dumb enough to go head to head with WWE.....Maybe. Even though that would bring some awesome wrestling and entertainment from both companies. I watched the video too. Still don't make a lick of sense to me and comes off like Bischoff trying to make it about why he was successful. The issue with the prospect of "WWE would step up" is AEW went head to head also is no guarantee. WWE could just keep doing what they're doing like they did when TNA tried. I'd love for WWE to step their game up and actually adapt but Vince is also Vince and the long term sustainability of that is just never truly there. So I remain very pessimistic on that front if it were to happen. It has however caused AEW to step up when asked and when WWE has picked the fights and we got free Danielson/Suzuki out of it so... yes wrestling fans definitely are winning in that regard and it's awesome. But no Khan is never going to compete with WWE. Especially on Mondays. He will never compete with the NFL.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Oct 18, 2021 23:27:26 GMT -5
Eric needs to realize his biggest success was 25 years ago. That’s a loooooong time ago. And I LOVED his version of WCW, WCW became my wrestling of choice as a kid to the very end, because of his product. But he is not the authority he thinks he is. Considering how horrible his run with TNA went and how trying to compete with WWE and trying to go on the road basically nearly crippled the company.
Eric Bischoff should shut the f*** up.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2021 23:28:30 GMT -5
AEW isn't even remotely established enough to go head to head with Raw. People are generally creatures of habit. I'd argue they'd need several more good years before even thinking about doing thar. Unless the WWE implodes on itself or something. I think AEW could beat Raw in the demo right now if they went head to head 2 hours every Monday. There's a definite chance of that... but imo they just don't need to and it's not a "Mistake" or a detriment to AEW to not actively compete against them. They're a current success doing what they're doing as they are. I really do think it makes AEW look better when WWE have been trying to force the competition and failing.
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 18, 2021 23:29:04 GMT -5
Yeah but that's the thing. WWE can't overrun and never will on FOX. FOX has air tight programming to the point WWE actually ends a few minutes before 10 o clock It mattered it was FS1 in the sense WWE was given an opportunity for really the first time ever to actively try and stick it to AEW and they actively tried TO stick it to AEW and win against their second show. The issue is their second show won the demo and outright in the head to head. I don't think they're sweeping it under the rug... but WWE picked the battle and they failed to deliver. And they stacked the show TO deliver especially in the last half hour. I think everyone's well aware if it were a Smackdown overrun they'd win because it's on FOX... but that's not what WWE tried and failed to do when they were given the opportunity on FS1. And that's why I think they've earned those bragging rights. FS1 is certainly a handicap. On an equal channel to TNT like USA, I imagine there’d be a big difference. Aren't they both over 80 million households? FS1 isn't like AXS.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Oct 18, 2021 23:31:49 GMT -5
Bischoff's point doesn't make sense. Khan is literally only talking his shit when his company is being actively antagonized. Why would he rush into a war and firmly establish AEW as 'little brother' before it's had the room to grow on its own?
Thinking that someone needs to commit to toxicity and run headfirst into a 'war' to prove that they're really about that action is dumb as hell. It's never that serious. Tony Khan is having fun with it and WWE could too if they weren't so over the top with the antics in their effort to own all of wrestling.
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Post by polarbearpete on Oct 18, 2021 23:31:56 GMT -5
I mean he has a podcast where he gives his takes on current stuff and on past stuff so not sure he’s really wanting the “spotlight” as much as just doing his job for the podcast. Also, WCW did not die because of any of Bischoff’s business or creative decisions. Alot of his podcast is him blatantly lying about things... Bischoff is what he is but if anyone takes him at face value... Yeah I’m not a big Bischoff fan, but not sure what’s not to take at face value when he’s just giving opinions
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Oct 18, 2021 23:33:57 GMT -5
FS1 is certainly a handicap. On an equal channel to TNT like USA, I imagine there’d be a big difference. Aren't they both over 80 million households? FS1 isn't like AXS. For sure TNT is bigger. But yeah, let’s not say that FS1 isn’t a fairly big channel as well. It’s not like they put them on POP or something.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2021 23:34:31 GMT -5
Alot of his podcast is him blatantly lying about things... Bischoff is what he is but if anyone takes him at face value... Yeah I’m not a big Bischoff fan, but not sure what’s not to take at face value when he’s just giving opinions To me at least... it just feels like Bischoff trying to say what Khan should or shouldn't do when AEW is actively a success and actively won the demo against Smackdown when WWE tried to pick a fight. AEW and Khan simply have no reason to actively compete and shouldn't. No reason to break what doesn't need fixing. Bischoff's mentality and brunt force mentality of trying to "Compete to get the market share" is what sank TNA... among other things of that era.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2021 23:36:34 GMT -5
Aren't they both over 80 million households? FS1 isn't like AXS. For sure TNT is bigger. But yeah, let’s not say that FS1 isn’t a fairly big channel as well. It’s not like they put them on POP or something. FS1 wouldn't get exclusive Playoff Games and Games in general if they got as many homes as AXS or POP did. It's less than FOX but it's still a lot of potential homes. I personally don't have it on my cable but the fact WWE was still flirting with a million views still shows it's in a lot of homes.
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Post by Mecca on Oct 18, 2021 23:36:49 GMT -5
Bischoff's point doesn't make sense. Khan is literally only talking his shit when his company is being actively antagonized. Why would he rush into a war and firmly establish AEW as 'little brother' before it's had the room to grow on its own? Thinking that someone needs to commit to toxicity and run headfirst into a 'war' to prove that they're really about that action is dumb as hell. It's never that serious. Tony Khan is having fun with it and WWE could too if they weren't so over the top with the antics in their effort to own all of wrestling. WWE has no desire to have fun with anything that that isn't WWE. They'd probably spin this into AEW existing is bad for shareholders if WWE so they must eliminate them.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 18, 2021 23:40:19 GMT -5
Bischoff's point doesn't make sense. Khan is literally only talking his shit when his company is being actively antagonized. Why would he rush into a war and firmly establish AEW as 'little brother' before it's had the room to grow on its own? Thinking that someone needs to commit to toxicity and run headfirst into a 'war' to prove that they're really about that action is dumb as hell. It's never that serious. Tony Khan is having fun with it and WWE could too if they weren't so over the top with the antics in their effort to own all of wrestling. WWE has no desire to have fun with anything that that isn't WWE. They'd probably spin this into AEW existing is bad for shareholders if WWE so they must eliminate them. Ask EVOLVE how much fun it is to work with WWE... oh wait you can't...
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Post by Mecca on Oct 18, 2021 23:43:23 GMT -5
WWE has no desire to have fun with anything that that isn't WWE. They'd probably spin this into AEW existing is bad for shareholders if WWE so they must eliminate them. Ask EVOLVE how much fun it is to work with WWE... oh wait you can't... I think it's bizarre how after 50 years people still don't realize what Vince is. The man lived to put everyone else out of business, other companies existing in wrestling isn't ok...then the 1 time someone tried to do it to him, he cried and is literally still upset about it to this day.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 19, 2021 0:18:15 GMT -5
There is a strong case to be made that TNA doesn't run into the near-ruin and financial shitshow it did if Eric Bischoff hadn't pushed for the move to Mondays and for his biker fetish to become the focal storyline of the company. Tony Khan has learned a lot from WCW's failures, but he's also learned a lot from TNA's failures, and Eric's had his hand in a lot of those, too. I wouldn't want to trust that guy's word on damn near anything unless it's "Don't do what I did".
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Post by Cyno on Oct 19, 2021 0:27:33 GMT -5
FS1 is one of those channels that's in a lot of the more popular cable packages, but one that also tends to be overlooked a lot. Doesn't help that they've tried to be ESPN so badly when ESPN being ESPN isn't what it used to be.
Outside of MLB playoff games, I don't think any of their regular programming does particularly well.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 19, 2021 0:46:57 GMT -5
Impact is only now actually recovering from that mistake. After almost dying multiple times over the last decade. It's frankly a miracle TNA didn't die like WCW and the only reason they didn't is because Anthem bought them out. They got very lucky. Bischoff and Hogan ran them into the ground and it frankly to me makes anything Bischoff says about "What he would do" or "What AEW should do" fall on deaf ears. Especially considering his big idea in trying to get TNA competitive was "Do the NWO again but this time MUCH worse"... as I said earlier Bischoff literally has 2 ideas. THE NWO AGAIN! and get talent from other places by offering massive contracts on someone else's dime that's what he did in WCW and what he tried to do in TNA Hey is it gettin' hot in here or wut!?
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Post by stoptheclocks on Oct 19, 2021 2:40:15 GMT -5
Lmao Smackdown still got way more viewers while on FS1. I'm happy AEW has something they can be proud of, but it's kind of embarrassing to see TK wetting his pants in celebration on Twitter because they barely got more viewers in the "key demo" for a section of the show. Idk maybe I'm just not getting something. It's clear they got some momentum going. Hopefully they can capitalize and build upon it. You’re not getting how television viewers are valued to advertisers and networks. I know we're all experts in what advertisers and networks think... but surely that would only be relevant if Smackdown was on FS1 permanently? Like, whatever advertisers or TNT think of Rampage will be defined by how they do over a period of time relative to their cost, and the other things on in and around that slot. Realistically, one week where the WWE's numbers collapsed due to being booted to another channel doesn't mean much of anything.
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