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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Nov 7, 2021 20:04:24 GMT -5
I had a question about The Kat.
Was The Kat supposed to be the sixth member of RTC?
I know preceding No Way Out 2001, Ivory and The Kat were embroiled in a feud. It was a placeholder feud until the company could write Chyna back into the story and to build up Ivory into a crazy prude. It was actually a pretty fun angle. The angle also let us see some of the wrestling moves The Kat picked up in the year. The Kat wasn't the greatest wrestler, but I liked that there was some progression in her in-ring ability since her days of feuding with Terri and doing "cat fights".
That brings me to saying my opinion that The Kat was the worst Women's Champion from that era. My god. Everyone points their fingers at Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley being the worst Women's Champion, but at least she got a decent storyline out of it. All of The Kat's title matches were awful gimmicks. She was in a damn kiddie pool full of chocolate, wrestling Tori. That title run could have been saved for either Luna or Tori. I think they showed a bit of favoritism to The Kat because at the end of the day, she was Lawler's wife at the time. The she dropped the title to Harvey Whippleman in drag in one of the most ill-conceived matches ever. Thank goodness she lost the title, but to Harvey Whippleman? What drugs were they smoking?
Anyway, in the days leading up to No Way Out 2001, Ivory and The Kat went head-to-head in a match on Smackdown. The Kat was running around telling all who would listen that she was down for the "Right to Nudity", which caught the ire of Ivory and the rest of RTC. The match between the two ended with Steven Richards ambushing King and RTC dragged him into the ring where they beat his ass and Ivory forced Kat to watch.
At No Way Out 2001, King faced Steven Richards in a singles match with the stipulation that if King won, The Kat would get naked (eye roll). The Kat accidently hit King with a belt IIRC, and cost him the match. Steven Richards then slung The Kat over his shoulder and stole away with her backstage. If I'm not mistaken, that's the last we saw of The Kat.
My question is was anything ever going to come of it? I know The Kat was released, like a few members of the roster in 2001, immediately after this storyline, and Chyna returned a few weeks later and the build up occurred to Chyna vs. Ivory at Wrestlemania 17. In protest to his wife's firing, King dipped out from the company as well, leaving Paul Heyman and JR as the main commentary team throughout 2001. If The Kat never got released (and I'm not exactly sure WHY she was released in the first place, I always hear conflicting things), do you think she would have fell in line with RTC and turned heel? Or would she would have played along for a bit and then turned on them?
As an aside and speaking of people being released, it seems as though the writing was on the wall that 2001 was basically an end of an era. Now, I do consider everything leading up to the Invasion storyline to be the Attitude Era and therefore I consider the first six months of 2001 to be the Attitude Era (culminating at King of the Ring 2001), there seemed to be huge transitions happening. It just felt different. But looking back at Smackdown 3: Just Bring It, the roster felt extremely barren compared to Smackdown 2's huge roster. Even the programming started to show the pretty barren roster. I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud. The WWF in 2001 started off amazing, but went downhill after Judgment Day 2001.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Nov 7, 2021 20:39:00 GMT -5
At No Way Out 2001, King faced Steven Richards in a singles match with the stipulation that if King won, The Kat would get naked (eye roll). The Kat accidently hit King with a belt IIRC, and cost him the match. Steven Richards then slung The Kat over his shoulder and stole away with her backstage. If I'm not mistaken, that's the last we saw of The Kat. If I'm not mistaken, there was a segment on Raw the night after No Way Out that showed her in the RTC uniform with tears streaming down her face. That would've been her last appearance. I also wonder if they hadn't been released, if Lawler actually makes a Mania appearance as part of the six-man tag that would later become Tazz/APA vs RTC, with some sort of stipulation regarding Kat's freedom.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 7, 2021 20:40:32 GMT -5
The Kat was absolutely useless in every way. That's all I have to add.
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Nov 7, 2021 21:16:21 GMT -5
At No Way Out 2001, King faced Steven Richards in a singles match with the stipulation that if King won, The Kat would get naked (eye roll). The Kat accidently hit King with a belt IIRC, and cost him the match. Steven Richards then slung The Kat over his shoulder and stole away with her backstage. If I'm not mistaken, that's the last we saw of The Kat. If I'm not mistaken, there was a segment on Raw the night after No Way Out that showed her in the RTC uniform with tears streaming down her face. That would've been her last appearance. I also wonder if they hadn't been released, if Lawler actually makes a Mania appearance as part of the six-man tag that would later become Tazz/APA vs RTC, with some sort of stipulation regarding Kat's freedom. Oh, so we DID see The Kat the next night after No Way Out 2001? I wasn't even paying attention to that. Most of what I remember from the very next night on Raw was Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley & William Regal vs. Trish Stratus & Mr. McMahon. I was a huge Steph fan back then. I think Kurt Angle was whining most of the night because he had lost his championship. He was then placed in a weird match with The Rock and The Big Show for the Hardcore Championship. That match was so bizarre. I am wondering the same about Lawler and The Kat regarding RTC. It just seems like that whole Kat & Lawler feud with them was swept under the rug. IIRC, didn't RTC break up the night after Wrestlemania X-7?
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Nov 7, 2021 21:16:41 GMT -5
The Kat was absolutely useless in every way. That's all I have to add. LOL. You made me laugh so hard I spit out my wine.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Nov 7, 2021 22:48:47 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, there was a segment on Raw the night after No Way Out that showed her in the RTC uniform with tears streaming down her face. That would've been her last appearance. I also wonder if they hadn't been released, if Lawler actually makes a Mania appearance as part of the six-man tag that would later become Tazz/APA vs RTC, with some sort of stipulation regarding Kat's freedom. Oh, so we DID see The Kat the next night after No Way Out 2001? I wasn't even paying attention to that. Most of what I remember from the very next night on Raw was Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley & William Regal vs. Trish Stratus & Mr. McMahon. I was a huge Steph fan back then. I think Kurt Angle was whining most of the night because he had lost his championship. He was then placed in a weird match with The Rock and The Big Show for the Hardcore Championship. That match was so bizarre. I am wondering the same about Lawler and The Kat regarding RTC. It just seems like that whole Kat & Lawler feud with them was swept under the rug. IIRC, didn't RTC break up the night after Wrestlemania X-7?
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Nov 7, 2021 23:25:10 GMT -5
Oh, so we DID see The Kat the next night after No Way Out 2001? I wasn't even paying attention to that. Most of what I remember from the very next night on Raw was Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley & William Regal vs. Trish Stratus & Mr. McMahon. I was a huge Steph fan back then. I think Kurt Angle was whining most of the night because he had lost his championship. He was then placed in a weird match with The Rock and The Big Show for the Hardcore Championship. That match was so bizarre. I am wondering the same about Lawler and The Kat regarding RTC. It just seems like that whole Kat & Lawler feud with them was swept under the rug. IIRC, didn't RTC break up the night after Wrestlemania X-7? Okay. Yes. I remember this segment. Thanks for posting this to jog my memory. Question for those who remember: it was implied that the RTC would utilize brainwashing in order to subdue their targets and make them compliant. This was evidenced when they threw Val Venis in the back of a white van ( I don't think they did that with The Godfather and Ivory willingly went with them since she was already a prude), but didn't they put The Kat in a burlap sack or some other such nonsense? 2001 started off so well.
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Post by koreycaskets on Nov 8, 2021 0:38:37 GMT -5
I liked her bubble wrap.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 8, 2021 1:11:18 GMT -5
Okay. Yes. I remember this segment. Thanks for posting this to jog my memory. Question for those who remember: it was implied that the RTC would utilize brainwashing in order to subdue their targets and make them compliant. This was evidenced when they threw Val Venis in the back of a white van ( I don't think they did that with The Godfather and Ivory willingly went with them since she was already a prude), but didn't they put The Kat in a burlap sack or some other such nonsense? 2001 started off so well. I forget. I do know they did some kind of conditioning, just since, didn't she seduce Val to escape? They fired Kat not long at all after, so it isn't like they would have had time to do too much. I often think of RTC as being WWE's way of slamming the PTC, obviously, which, fair cop, they're horrible people, but also their way of dialing back some of the excesses of the Attitude era as it was coming to a close, while saving face in the process.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Nov 8, 2021 3:12:15 GMT -5
I think "The Kat seduced Val Venis and then escaped through an open window" was their way of writing her off TV, and I think Val got kicked out of the RTC over it.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 8, 2021 3:58:13 GMT -5
Apparently the plan was for her to break up the RTC from within. It was supposed to start with her seducing Val (playing off his previous gimmick) thus leading to dissension within the group. However she ended up getting fired so instead they wrote her off on an episode Smackdown where Val confided that she seduced him although they never mentioned Kat by name as she was just referred to as being "that vixen". The other RTC members roughed Val up backstage before dragging him to the ring where he apologized for being weak and giving into lust with the others forgiving him. APA the came out and beat them all up setting up the WM XVII tag match where APA and Tazz beat Val, Bull, and Goodfather. Then a few weeks later they were put to an end for good by the Undertaker whom beat all the male members in a four on one handicap match after Richards got too bossy with the others who then got pissed and abandoned him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 5:51:03 GMT -5
The angle Lawler pitched to Vince (since the creative team was mixed on it) was for her to seduce Val, Bull and Goodfather and then do some big reveal at the end with her seducing Richards and exposing him as the ultimate hypocrite.
Tazz took Lawler's spot at Wrestlemania in the tag match.
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Post by sungod2020 on Nov 8, 2021 7:53:11 GMT -5
The Kat was absolutely useless in every way. That's all I have to add. Oh come on, she actually shown us her puppies(before Sgt. Slaughter covered her up with a towel), that must count for something.
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Post by auph10imitated on Nov 8, 2021 9:29:45 GMT -5
I think The Kat's reign was this weird testing phase where they wasnt sure if they wanted to have workers in the Womens Division, or have it as some kind of gimmicky stripper belt for the LOLz, the gimmick shit got over no more than the wrestlers did so they reverted back - Jackie - before passing it to Steph to use as a prop. Its funny how as soon as the title went back to the workers, the Hardcore Title became 24/7 and that became the gimmick belt
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 8, 2021 11:41:58 GMT -5
I must acknowledge how great Ivory looked in RTC.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 8, 2021 11:54:44 GMT -5
I must acknowledge how great Ivory looked in RTC. I agree 100%!! Especially in the long skirt.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 8, 2021 16:30:35 GMT -5
I must acknowledge how great Ivory looked in RTC. All fear the school-marm of doom. As for Kat, yeah she was pretty useless and Jerry quitting in protest of her firing only for her to cheat on him immediately will never not be funny to me
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Nov 8, 2021 20:32:39 GMT -5
I must acknowledge how great Ivory looked in RTC. I agree 100%!! Especially in the long skirt. I always thought they got rid of her long skirt and high heeled boots because she did that spinning heel kick to Lita at Survivor Series 2000 and caused Lita to start bleeding at the mouth. It also wasn't very practical to have her wrestling in long skirt and and high heeled boots. That's why they switched her to the pants and the short boots. Now, I'll be 100% here and I may lose some acquaintances on here, but I did LOVE Ivory's late 2000-early 2001 Women's Championship run. She brought some normalcy and class back to the title. I was with my boyfriend at the time (and drinking underage) at some guy named Marty's (who was wayyyyy too old be hanging out with people who had just graduated high school) house the night that Ivory won the Women's Championship due to interference from Edge & Christian and I stood up and cheered Ivory's win. I did have an absolute nasty hangover the next day.
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Nov 8, 2021 20:34:12 GMT -5
I must acknowledge how great Ivory looked in RTC. All fear the school-marm of doom. As for Kat, yeah she was pretty useless and Jerry quitting in protest of her firing only for her to cheat on him immediately will never not be funny to me I think in a shoot interview, Ivory stated that Kat cheated on him with some brothers or something and King knew about it. I am not even sure who those brothers were. LOL.
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Post by y4j1981 on Nov 8, 2021 22:19:45 GMT -5
All fear the school-marm of doom. As for Kat, yeah she was pretty useless and Jerry quitting in protest of her firing only for her to cheat on him immediately will never not be funny to me I think in a shoot interview, Ivory stated that Kat cheated on him with some brothers or something and King knew about it. I am not even sure who those brothers were. LOL. And Markyd's video on the matter of King/Kat/Dupp youtu.be/oYUnq2eBjsg
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