y4j1981
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Post by y4j1981 on Nov 10, 2021 19:38:28 GMT -5
It really isn't though? Nothing's being censored, it's just them choosing to display something else on their own platform, and people are still free to voice their opinions in the comments or in other places, or by disliking the videos for that matter, they just can't see how many people have done the same. I have as much a right to know how many people don't like something just as much as I have a right to read the comments. Not really. Comments, Likes, Dislikes, etc are all "features" on the site to lure and keep people visiting but totally not rights If I was an "uploader" of videos, then yes I would argue you might have a right. But just as a viewer if videos I disagree
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 10, 2021 19:48:50 GMT -5
YouTube isn’t a government entity. This isn’t a freedom of speech issue. It’s an “assholes ruin it for everyone on a public enterprise so you take it away from them because f*** those guys”. Blame those turds for taking away your “voice”. Exactly. If my son and my sister's kids can't play nicely together with a toy the toy gets taken away. Same principle here. Sweeping changes like this are rarely a result of the actions of the majority, and that is the case here. It won't stop people having their opinions, but it will take away a visual incentive for the kinds of mass downvotings that would result in some videos having thousands of dislikes minutes after going live. It's not so fun to point and go "Hur hur, ratio'd!" when you can't actually see the ratio.
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BRV
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Post by BRV on Nov 10, 2021 20:32:48 GMT -5
I find dislikes to be quite valuable. If you’re searching for a video and you land on one that has an equal number of, or more, dislikes to likes, you know to click out of it because it won’t be worth your time. It’s a great way to avoid troll videos, garbage quality, Rick Rolls, and other clips of varying uselessness.
I can see how they’ve become “weaponized” in certain scenarios, but for the most part, I’d say they’ve been more valuable than not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 21:35:23 GMT -5
I'm just concerned. First it starts with the Dislikes. Then the comment section will soon be taken away too. Mark my words. Im surprised they haven't done that to please some of bigger companies or channel so people can't call them out on their bullshit when they do something stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 21:40:08 GMT -5
YouTube isn’t a government entity. This isn’t a freedom of speech issue. It’s an “assholes ruin it for everyone on a public enterprise so you take it away from them because f*** those guys”. Blame those turds for taking away your “voice”. You see, that would require Youtube to give a shit about the people that isnt filling google pocket with money. This is less about trolls and more like "people are disliking our video because our online service is completely shit. Make it go away, google #sadface" If google actually give a shit about the assholes on the site, they would had fix their dmca/report system a long time ago.
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Post by eJm on Nov 10, 2021 21:42:26 GMT -5
YouTube isn’t a government entity. This isn’t a freedom of speech issue. It’s an “assholes ruin it for everyone on a public enterprise so you take it away from them because f*** those guys”. Blame those turds for taking away your “voice”. You see, that would require Youtube to give a shit about the people that isnt filling google pocket with money. This is less about troll then more like "people are disliking our video because our online service is completely shit. Make it go away, google #sadface" If google actually give a shit about the assholes on the site, they would had fix their dmca/report system a long time ago. I mean, absolutely. You’re not wrong at all about that, either. Even having this happen, even for advertisers and big companies, takes a billion years to happen. The next fix will come when we’re all underground because of the effects of climate change and it’ll be “we hired two extra people for our report system”.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 10, 2021 21:45:51 GMT -5
I dont like it. If i watch say a game guide, theyre a good gage of whther its useful or not so i dont waste my time
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Nov 10, 2021 22:48:55 GMT -5
Yeh dislikes are actually very useful for me when researching
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Nov 10, 2021 23:11:13 GMT -5
Sounds like a huge swing and a miss by YouTube.
Just to make sure I understand properly, the public can’t see the dislike numbers but the person posting the video can? So some giant corporation who’s movie trailer is hated (ie the OG Sonic trailer) can hide it from the general public that everyone hated the video but if some content creator with 50k followers is getting harassed for daring to be homosexual they still have to see every dislike on the video? How does this help ANYONE?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 11, 2021 0:23:58 GMT -5
Sounds like a huge swing and a miss by YouTube. Just to make sure I understand properly, the public can’t see the dislike numbers but the person posting the video can? So some giant corporation who’s movie trailer is hated (ie the OG Sonic trailer) can hide it from the general public that everyone hated the video but if some content creator with 50k followers is getting harassed for daring to be homosexual they still have to see every dislike on the video? How does this help ANYONE? The idea behind it is deterring the pile-on aspect of it. The trial runs they've conducted on accounts that were frequent victims of co-ordinated mass dislike campaigns showed that hiding the dislike counter massively reduced the instances of these attacks and brought the like-to-dislike ratio back down to normal levels. Trolls have less fun when they can't see the results of their trolling.
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metylerca
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Post by metylerca on Nov 11, 2021 2:38:30 GMT -5
Sounds like a huge swing and a miss by YouTube. Just to make sure I understand properly, the public can’t see the dislike numbers but the person posting the video can? So some giant corporation who’s movie trailer is hated (ie the OG Sonic trailer) can hide it from the general public that everyone hated the video but if some content creator with 50k followers is getting harassed for daring to be homosexual they still have to see every dislike on the video? How does this help ANYONE? The idea behind it is deterring the pile-on aspect of it. The trial runs they've conducted on accounts that were frequent victims of co-ordinated mass dislike campaigns showed that hiding the dislike counter massively reduced the instances of these attacks and brought the like-to-dislike ratio back down to normal levels. Trolls have less fun when they can't see the results of their trolling. I can see the benefits of this, but in the case of Sonic, the groundswell hatred of the design lead to massive PR backlash and a retooling. So in that sense… trolls win? Such events as this can be prevented in the future, especially since publishers can turn off comments if need be.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 11, 2021 2:48:44 GMT -5
The idea behind it is deterring the pile-on aspect of it. The trial runs they've conducted on accounts that were frequent victims of co-ordinated mass dislike campaigns showed that hiding the dislike counter massively reduced the instances of these attacks and brought the like-to-dislike ratio back down to normal levels. Trolls have less fun when they can't see the results of their trolling. I can see the benefits of this, but in the case of Sonic, the groundswell hatred of the design lead to massive PR backlash and a retooling. So in that sense… trolls win? Such events as this can be prevented in the future, especially since publishers can turn off comments if need be. In the case of Sonic, even if you take away the dislikes from the trailer there was still hundreds of thousands of Tweets and Facebook posts ridiculing the design choice, not to mention the news outlets - both independent and corporate - that covered the backlash. In the same situation, the lack of visible dislikes and even the inability to post comments would have little to no effect on how it would play out. I've no doubt this will be convenient for big corporate producers, but it will be a life saver for smaller accounts.
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Malcolm
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 11, 2021 11:37:19 GMT -5
I find dislikes to be quite valuable. If you’re searching for a video and you land on one that has an equal number of, or more, dislikes to likes, you know to click out of it because it won’t be worth your time. It’s a great way to avoid troll videos, garbage quality, Rick Rolls, and other clips of varying uselessness. I can see how they’ve become “weaponized” in certain scenarios, but for the most part, I’d say they’ve been more valuable than not. Not gonna lie, this feels like the biggest loss with the removal of dislikes.
Though it did kinda feel like the downvote bombing was starting to make that strategy moot.
Interesting how this happened so soon after news came out how Nintendo's latest Switch Online video was its most disliked video, but that's probably nothing but a coincidence.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Nov 11, 2021 12:09:22 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Nov 11, 2021 12:22:28 GMT -5
This is good for smaller video makers, especially for people from marginalized communities who get downvote bombed by bigots and trolls being miserable pieces of shit.
But visible dislikes should be around for big corporate videos. Unfortunately, Youtube is probably implementing this on their behalf and the marginalized users just happen to benefit by proxy.
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Post by DoubleDare on Nov 11, 2021 12:30:50 GMT -5
Fine, its simple, get rid of the like counts as well then.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 11, 2021 17:48:11 GMT -5
I'm just concerned. First it starts with the Dislikes. Then the comment section will soon be taken away too. Mark my words. This has to be the loudest I've ever said "and?!?".
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 11, 2021 18:08:08 GMT -5
I'm just concerned. First it starts with the Dislikes. Then the comment section will soon be taken away too. Mark my words. This has to be the loudest I've ever said "and?!?". And then the commies take our guns.
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 11, 2021 18:09:39 GMT -5
Sounds like a huge swing and a miss by YouTube. Just to make sure I understand properly, the public can’t see the dislike numbers but the person posting the video can? So some giant corporation who’s movie trailer is hated (ie the OG Sonic trailer) can hide it from the general public that everyone hated the video but if some content creator with 50k followers is getting harassed for daring to be homosexual they still have to see every dislike on the video? How does this help ANYONE? It’s for huge corporations, not some poor bastard with a small following.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 11, 2021 18:11:52 GMT -5
I'm just concerned. First it starts with the Dislikes. Then the comment section will soon be taken away too. Mark my words. This has to be the loudest I've ever said "and?!?". They came first for the dislikes. And I didn't speak up, because I didn't use dislikes.
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