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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 23, 2021 0:01:40 GMT -5
Well at least he still ranks only second to Kid Rock’s new video as the most embarrassing thing this week.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 23, 2021 0:02:57 GMT -5
The fan jumped Seth and got a shot in, but it looks like Seth quickly got him in a front facelock when his brain caught up with what was happening. That fan had zero chance of getting a second shot in. Anyone can get jumped when they aren't expecting it. It says nothing about Seth's toughness or the fan's. TL:DR - shut up Chavo Yeah, he got Seth down, but it looks like, as you say, Seth slapped a front facelock on him until security broke it up, which is probably the best way to handle it. He looked pretty pissed off, so credit to Seth for keeping a cool enough head to not stomp him or anything and risk getting in deep shit over this.
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Post by eJm on Nov 23, 2021 0:03:39 GMT -5
Man, it didn’t seem security were much to task with this as quick as they should be, where was Raw?
*sees they were in the Barclay’s Centre, the same place Bret Hart got attacked at the Hall of Fame*
…oh.
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 23, 2021 0:05:54 GMT -5
Ehh, you should never feel compelled to touch a wrestler under any circumstance F*** being happy, unhappy, whatever. Boo, cheer, or don't go to the show but I think that is an excuse to say negative feelings about a TV show gives you a compulsion to attack someone. [/quote] You're right, one _should_ never feel compelled to touch a wrestler. To steal from Chris Rock, there's a reason you would kick an old man down a flight of stairs. You're not _supposed_ to do it, but there are reasons you might. If one reaches a point of frustration in the moment and one finds oneself with an opportunity to do something about it, one might take that opportunity. If one is deeply unhappy and without any other avenue to express it, one might lash out at the source of that pain. I don't like it any more than you; but in an atmosphere where anger can boil over at any time, anything, _anything_ might be enough to set someone off. The way a promoter might choose to deal with that possibility is in dialing back on the heat generation.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 23, 2021 0:06:01 GMT -5
Man, it didn’t seem security were much to task with this as quick as they should be, where was Raw? *sees they were in the Barclay’s Centre, the same place Bret Hart got attacked at the Hall of Fame* …oh. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rollins’ attacker is like a friend of the guy who attacked Bret.
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Post by eJm on Nov 23, 2021 0:08:07 GMT -5
Man, it didn’t seem security were much to task with this as quick as they should be, where was Raw? *sees they were in the Barclay’s Centre, the same place Bret Hart got attacked at the Hall of Fame* …oh. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rollins’ attacker is like a friend of the guy who attacked Bret. I think that might be a bit of a stretch, Brooklyn isn’t that small of a place. It isn’t a great look for the Barclay’s Centre as an arena, though, that this has happened twice in a short timeframe.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Nov 23, 2021 0:10:15 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be surprised if Rollins’ attacker is like a friend of the guy who attacked Bret. I think that might be a bit of a stretch, Brooklyn isn’t that small of a place. It isn’t a great look for the Barclay’s Centre as an arena, though, that this has happened twice in a short timeframe. Something tells me that WWE may not go back for a while, and when they do, it'll be with more beefed-up security.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 23, 2021 0:10:38 GMT -5
Ehh, you should never feel compelled to touch a wrestler under any circumstance F*** being happy, unhappy, whatever. Boo, cheer, or don't go to the show but I think that is an excuse to say negative feelings about a TV show gives you a compulsion to attack someone. You're right, one _should_ never feel compelled to touch a wrestler. To steal from Chris Rock, there's a reason you would kick an old man down a flight of stairs. You're not _supposed_ to do it, but there are reasons you might. If one reaches a point of frustration in the moment and one finds oneself with an opportunity to do something about it, one might take that opportunity. If one is deeply unhappy and without any other avenue to express it, one might lash out at the source of that pain. I don't like it any more than you; but in an atmosphere where anger can boil over at any time, anything, _anything_ might be enough to set someone off. The way a promoter might choose to deal with that possibility is in dialing back on the heat generation. [/quote] Still think that is a major cop out. You deserve what is coming to you if you get so mad about a sport with predetermined results that you want to attack a wrestler because they play heel on TV To me, nothing about that makes sense. Read a book, get some air but don't go to a show that makes you so mad you want to attack a wrestler because best believe that stupid 30 second decision you make is going to f*** you over That fan is going to face an assault charge, get banned from Barclays from life and most likely lose whatever job they had. All of that for wrestling, nah i'm good
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Post by gnr123 on Nov 23, 2021 0:11:32 GMT -5
I totally get the urge to think this guy should've gotten his ass kicked. I do. But here's my thought when this happens. Do whatever it takes to subdue the guy and protect the performer. But once you do, there's no need for anything else. 99.99% of folks know this is incredibly stupid. It's always very possible that someone jumping the rail either has a mental illness or is mentally disabled. We don't need to kick the shit out of them if it can be avoided. And it's not like doing that will disincentivize this in the future. Anyone who's rational will know this is a bad idea. Beating someone up won't affect those who already want to do this. Just focus on protecting the performer and getting the attacker to the proper authorities. That's the best strategy for dealing with it in the moment. However, there is a larger atmospheric issue at work. When the headlines are screaming everything from perceived injustice to social and economic hardship, it is important for the one person, for whom all of WWE's writing team is giving their full creative investment, to make decisions about his product that do more to keep fans happy enough that their response to long-term misery booking isn't to snap and attack the talent. It's for reasons like this that I didn't have an issue with, say, beach balls during live events. Distracting? Yes, but it was also a safety valve for any frustrations that fans were having with the show itself. It's also why you had clown-type babyface characters like Hillbilly Jim, Junkyard Dog, Brodus Clay, Adam Rose or even a babyface Sami Zayn to stave off the negative vibes. Win or lose, they got fans' minds off the fact that a heel had gotten over on the previous match. More importantly, however, it's why your face-to-heel win ratio was best worked out to favour the faces, at least on a few of the big matches. If a heel has to go over in the main event, you have at least one very exciting match just beforehand where the face or faces win with a big and memorable finish. Booking each card impacts the crowd's energy for the next card; booking long-term in a way that satisfies the crowd, if not sating them entirely, is how you build positive energy and how you avoid things getting so heated or negative that frustration spills over into anger. Dude, it's fake. If's men in tights fake punching each-other. I'm pretty sure WWE's booking isn't the reason for the fan attacking Rollins. If he did take out his frustrations on Rollins, then he definitely isn't all there to get that invested in a TV show for kids. The "long-term misery booking" is an internet term, it has no importance to the WWE and the casual fans and kids WWE is trying to cater to. The Mom and Dad with their two sons aren't going to a WWE show thinking that since the heel won the main event, the face should have won the match before. The Mom and Dad are happy for a night out and their children are happy to see the larger-than-life characters, get a T-shirt, and enjoy the experience. To attack a wrestler because you're not a fan of the booking is like a writer on SpongeBob Squarepants getting attacked because they didn't like the last season. It's for kids, wrestling as a whole is for kids. Not just WWE, wrestling. And you mention guys like Adam Rose and Brodus Clay being comedy characters. I remember for Adam Rose' who time on TV the internet we're waiting for him to be Leo Kruger, even have a "split-personality" gimmick which WWE never teased. People were outright angry that Brodus Clay debuted as a dancing goofball, and not a silent badass, and eventually when he was finally a silent bad-ass, he was let go a few months later. John Cena was a goofball for years, yet fans in certain cities used to want his head. People were on this ver forum joking around that Keith Lee will soon be a dancing goofball and how stupid that would be. But, wouldn't that be good is he came out and danced, I mean, at least the fan would be happy and no rushed Seth Rollins tonight.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 23, 2021 0:11:41 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be surprised if Rollins’ attacker is like a friend of the guy who attacked Bret. I think that might be a bit of a stretch, Brooklyn isn’t that small of a place. It isn’t a great look for the Barclay’s Centre as an arena, though, that this has happened twice in a short timeframe. I been to Barclays more than a few times and it has been good but yeah the recent incidents has done them no good
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Post by eJm on Nov 23, 2021 0:15:09 GMT -5
I think that might be a bit of a stretch, Brooklyn isn’t that small of a place. It isn’t a great look for the Barclay’s Centre as an arena, though, that this has happened twice in a short timeframe. I been to Barclays more than a few times and it has been good but yeah the recent incidents has done them no good Like, if it were a problem in other arenas then I’d be wondering if something in the booking was encouraging it (ala WCW where the camera would be focused on guys jumping the rail so everyone would jump over the rail) or something to do with COVID having a lack of security or whatever but the fact it has only happened at the Barclay’s Centre at WWE shows, a place I could imagine does good for the Nets and stuff, it just isn’t a great look. It doesn’t really make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 0:17:03 GMT -5
Getting taken out in one shot, and then hitting the guy while twenty guys are holding him down, would make seth look much tougher, lol it's already bad enough that twenty guys from the back are holding him on the ground and seth is standing there doing his "come on bro!" thing. This just makes everyone seth has ever beaten look bad. A random fan jumps out of the stands and takes out multiple time main event world champion in one shot, and it takes twenty guys from the back to get rid of the guy, how weak is everyone that seth has ever beaten? The fan should have a title shot next week if it's that easy to take out one of the top guys and it's that hard to control the guy to get rid of him. it should be fan vs brock for the title after that. No one should be attacking anyone or jumping out of the stands to attack anyone, I fully stand with the performers to be left alone and in peace. Get that out of the way. What I was saying is that "Getting free shots in while other people are holding someone down" doesn't make you look like the tough guy. That's a heel beatdown move, not a "I will fight you one on one" heroic hero move. That would make seth look worse if he's attacking a guy that's being held down and can't fight back is what I meant by that. My other point was that seth has been presented as one of the top guys and beaten many people. if some random fan can just jump out of the stands and do a move to take him out, and it takes twenty other guys to get rid of the fan, why isn't the fan world champion if he's that invincible. It's like in rookie of the year, where the kid throws the ball back to home and everyone in the crowd is in awe and they sign him to the team. If the people in the stands can do that, why aren't they playing instead? Everyone's initial reaction to seeing this happen was that it was a wrestler spearing him, so it just exposes the show if someone can jump out of the stands and do it, what do they need wrestling school for then. Like circus of the stars. If anyone off the street can just jump in and do it, what's so special about it? People should not be jumping out the stands to attack anyone, I have my doubts with nyc doing anything to this guy, but my point was, in kayfabe, within the context of the show, this random fan is now better than everyone seth has beat in matches. Seth beats people in matches, random fan takes out seth, random fan must be able to beat the people seth beat in matches and it makes the whole show look worse as a result in storyline. It's like if vader is killing people on the show for years, and one day some random fan jumps out the stands and takes down vader in one move and it takes twenty guys from the back to get rid of the fan. The fan must be able to easily beat all of the people vader beat if this guy can do that to the top guy that's been beating everyone, and I would expect a vader vs fan match or something after that, or else the whole show just got exposed as "here's what happens when someone who isn't playing along and does it for real gets involved". Like how self defense classes work great when the other guy is playing along and selling the moves for you, but don't do anything when you're fighting for real. Fans should not be involving themselves in the action, etc/whatever disclaimer you want, it shouldn't have happened at all, my point/concern that I was making is that 1) seth looks ridiculous yelling "come on!" while the guy has twenty people holding him down, and getting "free shots" on someone who can't fight back doesn't make you tougher 2) it breaks kayfabe and makes everyone that seth has beaten look weaker within the context of the show. That this fan can now beat all of them too.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 23, 2021 0:17:25 GMT -5
I been to Barclays more than a few times and it has been good but yeah the recent incidents has done them no good Like, if it were a problem in other arenas then I’d be wondering if something in the booking was encouraging it or something to do with COVID having a lack of security or whatever but the fact it has only happened at the Barclay’s Centre at WWE shows, a place I could imagine does good for the Nets and stuff, it just isn’t a great look. It doesn’t really make sense. They seem to have gotten relaxed there after years of everything being good especially when they did Summerslam and NXT there for years MSG is more expensive but with the renovation, I can see them wanting to do one show there a year and cool off on Barclays for a little until they feel it is under control
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Nov 23, 2021 0:18:41 GMT -5
Chavo, your highest point in WWE was being dressed as an Eagle. Shut up.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 23, 2021 0:19:22 GMT -5
I assume the policy is for wrestlers to still not touch the fans cause Seth could have got in free shots when they was carrying him out Seth's probably aware his employer does not a clip of him wailing on someone being played in a criminal or civil case.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 23, 2021 0:22:53 GMT -5
I've been to Barclays a bunch and they always have had a lot of security there. We have to remember this is just an extremely random event. Very few folks try this and for good reason. But this could legit happen anywhere at most arenas. If a wrestler is at ringside, almost anyone in that front row could jump over and get a shot in if that wanted to before someone gets to him. Should they have gotten to this guy faster? Definitely. But it also seems like he was in a spot that was dark where no one would expect someone to come from. I'm sure that would work at other arenas too. I wouldn't avoid Barclays here but given they use this arena setup everywhere, I'd make sure you have more security along that entranceway since it looks to be a potential blindspot.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Nov 23, 2021 0:24:17 GMT -5
That's assuming quite a lot of things about this weirdo fan that we don't rly know anything about, and even if it wasn't, that's gotta be one of the most unsympathetic things I've ever heard.
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Post by Demented on Nov 23, 2021 0:26:51 GMT -5
I have nothing funny to say about this.
That fan is an idiot. I'm glad Seth is okay.
And shut up, Chavo.
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Post by Blade on Nov 23, 2021 0:29:52 GMT -5
No one should be attacking anyone or jumping out of the stands to attack anyone, I fully stand with the performers to be left alone and in peace. Get that out of the way. What I was saying is that "Getting free shots in while other people are holding someone down" doesn't make you look like the tough guy. That's a heel beatdown move, not a "I will fight you one on one" heroic hero move. That would make seth look worse if he's attacking a guy that's being held down and can't fight back is what I meant by that. My other point was that seth has been presented as one of the top guys and beaten many people. if some random fan can just jump out of the stands and do a move to take him out, and it takes twenty other guys to get rid of the fan, why isn't the fan world champion if he's that invincible. It's like in rookie of the year, where the kid throws the ball back to home and everyone in the crowd is in awe and they sign him to the team. If the people in the stands can do that, why aren't they playing instead? Everyone's initial reaction to seeing this happen was that it was a wrestler spearing him, so it just exposes the show if someone can jump out of the stands and do it, what do they need wrestling school for then. Like circus of the stars. If anyone off the street can just jump in and do it, what's so special about it? People should not be jumping out the stands to attack anyone, I have my doubts with nyc doing anything to this guy, but my point was, in kayfabe, within the context of the show, this random fan is now better than everyone seth has beat in matches. Seth beats people in matches, random fan takes out seth, random fan must be able to beat the people seth beat in matches and it makes the whole show look worse as a result in storyline. I haven't watched WWE for awhile, so I must've missed when it changed the rules so you win the match when you knock the other guy down the first time.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Nov 23, 2021 0:30:48 GMT -5
This is always happening to the Shield guys. It’s so weird.
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