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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 18, 2021 21:15:31 GMT -5
Am I completely out of it or didn't Matt Hardy imply in a few interviews a decade ago that his 2010 WWE release was him faking a drug problem to get out of his contract? And within a year he had multiple DUIs and was threatening to kill himself on his Youtube channel? Because that's the first thing this made me think of. I wouldn't be surprised by either Hardy brother pulling this line again over Jeff's firing, but there's no way in hell it's anything but deflecting. EDIT: Yes, it happened.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 18, 2021 21:21:17 GMT -5
Yeah no that's actually how it works, crazy enough. If you say you don't need rehab it means you don't need rehab and you're fine. Addiction works by the same system as 'dibs' I see you’re being facetious, but it could also very well be that he doesn’t have a problem. Let’s not jump to conclusions and say that Jeff is doomed to repeat past mistakes. His brother says he’s fine. Jeff says he’s fine. Novel concept here: Maybe he’s fine. …or maybe he’s not fine, and rehab is not the solution that he needs. We can’t paint a full picture on dirt sheets and speculation. Do you think you have a problem with alcohol? No. Denial. First sign. How the f*** do you win that? — David Cross
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Post by mattyy on Jan 28, 2022 7:49:28 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 28, 2022 7:52:49 GMT -5
While I don’t disagree that a Hardy Boyz run in AEW in their loaded tag division could end up re-energising them for one last run of banger matches, I’m not sure it’d make that much difference to their TV ratings.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 28, 2022 7:57:04 GMT -5
Matt and Jeff both look like they're in so much pain wrestling that I don't know how enjoyable it'd be to even see another Hardy Boyz reunion tour. There's a really good reason their resurgence a few years ago involved insane character work skits and heavily edited pre-tape matches.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 28, 2022 8:01:18 GMT -5
Matt and Jeff both look like they're in so much pain wrestling that I don't know how enjoyable it'd be to even see another Hardy Boyz reunion tour. There's a really good reason their resurgence a few years ago involved insane character work skits and heavily edited pre-tape matches. Yeah, being blunt, Jeff’s been looking pretty rough this past year and Matt’s been looking rougher for an even longer time. I love the Hardy boys, especially Jeff, but…nah. This wouldn’t feel right at all, and that’s without touching on either guy’s personal demons.
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Post by eJm on Jan 28, 2022 8:01:39 GMT -5
The bigger story here, for me, is that they didn’t tell him he had a positive test after they released him because, and maybe I’m a tad crazy here, but I would have disclosed that stuff to him ASAP if that was the reason they let him go and give themselves an out?
Why the six week wait?
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Post by mattyy on Jan 28, 2022 8:04:25 GMT -5
The bigger story here, for me, is that they didn’t tell him he had a positive test after they released him because, and maybe I’m a tad crazy here, but I would have disclosed that stuff to him ASAP if that was the reason they let him go and give themselves an out? the way its worded leads me to believe that there wasn't a positive test in the first place. if i am reading the tea leaves correctly, and going by what the hardys have stated publicly: he got tested and they preemptively released him expecting a positive test. that's why they were offering to bring him back. he's still under contract until the beginning of march, but i would imagine he might have a bitter taste in his mouth from the experience. honestly, i'd guess embarrassment for jumping the gun and just not wanting to get around to it. similar to punk's royalty checks that he had to pester them for.
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Post by eJm on Jan 28, 2022 8:07:35 GMT -5
The bigger story here, for me, is that they didn’t tell him he had a positive test after they released him because, and maybe I’m a tad crazy here, but I would have disclosed that stuff to him ASAP if that was the reason they let him go and give themselves an out? the way its worded leads me to believe that there wasn't a positive test in the first place. if i am reading the tea leaves correctly, and going by what the hardys have stated publicly: he got tested and they preemptively released him expecting a positive test. that's why they were offering to bring him back. he's still under contract until the beginning of march, but i would imagine he might have a bitter taste in his mouth from the experience. honestly, i'd guess embarrassment for jumping the gun and just not wanting to get around to it. similar to punk's royalty checks that he had to pester them for. I didn’t really want to basically say that was the case but it does make the offers make sense if that’s what happened. And if that was the case, Yikes.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 28, 2022 8:14:58 GMT -5
Just gonna keep hoping Jeff’s ok, wrestling or no wrestling
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 28, 2022 8:21:45 GMT -5
When you have a guy on your roster with known past issues with substance abuse and he does something wildly out of character, I get not taking his word for it and sending him home while you wait for the drug test to come back.
But when you test a guy, offer him rehab he may not need, fire him when he refuses the rehab he may not need, wait six weeks to even give the results, and it's implied he was never under the influence of anything in the first place, well, that's how bridges with talent get burned.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 28, 2022 8:27:45 GMT -5
The crucial mistake I will now cop to making; imagining WWE is operating as a rational entity that makes informed decisions. I'll fess up to jumping the gun out of concern for the guy and the belief there was no way WWE was actually just being that insane, but. Man.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 28, 2022 8:27:58 GMT -5
While I don’t disagree that a Hardy Boyz run in AEW in their loaded tag division could end up re-energising them for one last run of banger matches, I’m not sure it’d make that much difference to their TV ratings. Ratings no, but their merch is always a big mover so it all helps. Used as a special attraction so there's FAR less wear on them, I'd be ok with it.
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Post by eJm on Jan 28, 2022 8:34:36 GMT -5
When you have a guy on your roster with known past issues with substance abuse and he does something wildly out of character, I get not taking his word for it and sending him home while you wait for the drug test to come back. But when you test a guy, offer him rehab he may not need, fire him when he refuses the rehab he may not need, wait six weeks to even give the results, and it's implied he was never under the influence of anything in the first place, well, that's how bridges with talent get burned. Yeah, and considering that they’ve had Jeff on and off for that time and probably know him better than most people do, you’d want to at least have your ducks in a row to make your job easier but it comes off either like they just needed an excuse to get rid or they were quick to jump without thinking and if it was the case that he didn’t test for drugs…can’t say I blame Jeff at all for not wanting to go back.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 28, 2022 8:35:46 GMT -5
I do think something like a Hardys/Bucks/Lucha Bros ladder match could at least pump up some buys for a PPV. He won't be a huge ratings mover but he still has a lot to offer at this age.
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Post by CeilingFan on Jan 28, 2022 9:44:48 GMT -5
The Hardys vs reDRagon should be saved for a PPV!
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 28, 2022 10:22:12 GMT -5
Failed drug test or not, walking out through the crowd in the middle of the match, unless concussion-related, is a red flag.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 28, 2022 10:50:28 GMT -5
Failed drug test or not, walking out through the crowd in the middle of the match, unless concussion-related, is a red flag. Gail Kim eliminated herself from a battle royal on TV on her last WWE appearance. No drug test there. Clearly, WWE didn't read the room on some of their decisions leading up to that point. Seems unclear if they're capable of doing so now.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 28, 2022 10:55:00 GMT -5
Failed drug test or not, walking out through the crowd in the middle of the match, unless concussion-related, is a red flag. Gail Kim eliminated herself from a battle royal on TV on her last WWE appearance. No drug test there. Clearly, WWE didn't read the room on some of their decisions leading up to that point. Seems unclear if they're capable of doing so now. Not sure what your point is on that. Jeff was said to be moving especially slowly during the match like there was something going on with him physically. Doesn’t seem analogous to the Kim situation.
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Post by eJm on Jan 28, 2022 11:02:13 GMT -5
Failed drug test or not, walking out through the crowd in the middle of the match, unless concussion-related, is a red flag. Which is why you suspend him until you find out what happened or what the test results say. Anything else is a massive overreaction regardless of the circumstances.
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