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Post by ayumidah on Dec 15, 2021 12:14:39 GMT -5
Not exactly what I was hoping for, but if he's content with it, then I will be too I suppose.
Someday, maybe. Who knows.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 15, 2021 12:15:26 GMT -5
Well, he’s made his choice. Whatever happens next, good or bad, is his to live with. I actually disagree with. For the big reason, that WWE has shown time and time again they’ll drop you no matter if you just signed a multi year deal. Turnabout is fair play. If he starts kicking his feet demanding a release tomorrow, I ain’t gonna be crying for WWE. You reap what you sow, these companies ain’t shit, lol. I thought that’s what I meant. He chose to sign on again when he had the chance to go with no strings attached, knowing full-well what could happen to him both on and off-screen. That’s what I meant when I say it’s his choice to live with. If he starts going the full Ziggler and moaning about it after the fact, no sympy. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 12:16:03 GMT -5
Smart man.
I was saying in that other thread that AEW is hitting a point where they can't sign everybody and that combined with the fact that guys like KO are undoubtedly going to be paid way more with potentially better things going on for them (Roddy for example re-signed with more money and a renewed push + Diamond Mine) this is great for him, his family and well WWE. You need guys like that to stay around and help things as the new talent roles along. You need guys like Owens who will do whatever asks of him who can be utility main eventers and/or midcarders. He can talk on the mic, he can go in the ring, he do it all. He's perfect.
Given this...I'm only going to assume that Sami also re-signs. He can see how things are working for his buddy and then in a few months he puts that pen to paper. If they do right with his buddy, he's staying. If they do wrong, he's going.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 15, 2021 12:16:16 GMT -5
Let's find out what you've won. Kevin, you've won spending the next 2 years jobbing to pretty much everyone but wait you've also won a cameo at the ATG Battle Royale! Yeah, this seems a bit extreme. He's in the world title angle on RAW, he was in a significant match at WrestleMania 37 and if they gave the guy a "really good deal," they're not going to throw him in the Andre this year. Say what you want about WWE creative, but they clearly value the guy. Maybe he's not the world champion all the time, but he's always doing something. |
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Post by r. on Dec 15, 2021 12:19:26 GMT -5
Let's find out what you've won. Kevin, you've won spending the next 2 years jobbing to pretty much everyone but wait you've also won a cameo at the ATG Battle Royale! Yeah, this seems a bit extreme. He's in the world title angle on RAW, he was in a significant match at WrestleMania 37 if you want to play that game and if they gave the guy a "really good deal," they're not going to throw him in the Andre this year. Say what you want about WWE creative, but they clearly value the guy. Or they can't afford to lose more known names, I'll be willing to bet a month-long name change he's continues to circle in neutral with his booking |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 15, 2021 12:19:29 GMT -5
Good for him. Still doesn't save him from being randomly let go because he's too old, cost too much, etc. Good for him and his family for getting paid though. AEW, Impact, and the Indies will still be there if he gets cut. If WWE was offering a substantial amount on even a short term basis, this was probably a wise move financially. Given how many people are still on the open market between the ROH closure and the WWE releases, I can't blame him for wanting to give the dust some time to settle even if he's not creatively happy with the 'E anymore. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 15, 2021 12:20:42 GMT -5
Good for him, though I admittedly question it on WWE's part unless they're willing to do something novel with him. Surely he's been given a raise, so presumably, they're going to get their money's worth.
Hmm, maybe they have him beat Big E for the WWE Title. He hasn't had it yet, after all, and it isn't like the Universal title reign wasn't forever ago.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 15, 2021 12:21:44 GMT -5
Yeah, this seems a bit extreme. He's in the world title angle on RAW, he was in a significant match at WrestleMania 37 if you want to play that game and if they gave the guy a "really good deal," they're not going to throw him in the Andre this year. Say what you want about WWE creative, but they clearly value the guy. Or they can't afford to lose more known names, I'll be willing to bet a month-long name change he's continues to circle in neutral with his booking I'll take that bet, but he's not in neutral now? Neutral is when he's only hosting the KO Show with no program and not getting a title match at the PPV. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 12:22:26 GMT -5
Works for me. I hate the current product but use a realistic roster when I fantasy book, which is a big hobby.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 12:26:19 GMT -5
Lastly, since AEW was announced (and even as of up to a few days ago) we've had people asking why people stay with WWE and they see no way people would stay. Now we have Owens re-signing. Sure, you can ask him on Twitter but regardless if we know or if we don't know there's reasons people stay with this company, him included. Owens is a guy who's very vocal about his direction, very vocal about what he thinks about wrestling, he's very hands on with everything. Even when former writer Kaz was describing backstage culture he described Owens as someone who created his promos with the writer rather than reading off a script.
When a guy like that puts the pen to paper it really says that hey, people wanna stay in WWE for legit reasons. You might not like it, you might not agree with it but they have their own lives and what they love and enjoy about the company, what keeps them there, is just that, theirs rather than yours.
Owens feels he made the right choice and he's happy with that. Nothing wrong with that. We don't know his thought process. At the end of the day that's just the better of the two choices based on who he is as a person.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2021 12:29:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sort of in the middle of not blaming Owens at all for him taking the money when it's handed and choosing not to have sympathy for WWE if the guy isn't satisfied with what he's being given as a character for that money considering, well, they're basically keeping him from being a boon to the competition and he chose to take the contract.
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Post by msc on Dec 15, 2021 12:29:46 GMT -5
I am genuinely stunned. But dude has a kid, he had to make the right financial decision for himself and not fans, and if this is it, cool.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 15, 2021 12:30:08 GMT -5
Good on KO. As much as I'd love too see him put on classics with Darby, MJF, Danielson, Punk, Omega and so on, he's not exactly a spring chicken. If WWE is giving him good money and he's happy, I can dig it.
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Post by r. on Dec 15, 2021 12:31:29 GMT -5
Or they can't afford to lose more known names, I'll be willing to bet a month-long name change he's continues to circle in neutral with his booking I'll take that bet, but he's not in neutral now? Neutral is when he's only hosting the KO Show with no program and not getting a title match at the PPV. Hows this, if Kevin Owens is involved with WM card (Anything not pre-show/kickoff) I'll add 'I was wrong' to my name? |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 15, 2021 12:32:42 GMT -5
I'll take that bet, but he's not in neutral now? Neutral is when he's only hosting the KO Show with no program and not getting a title match at the PPV. Hows this, if Kevin Owens is involved with WM card (Anything not pre-show/kickoff) I'll add 'I was wrong' to my name? And if he's on the pre-show or Andre, I'll add "I was wrong" to my name. Deal! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 12:33:40 GMT -5
Honestly, as much as I'd love to see Steen elsewhere...WWE needs to keep people. It's not a great look for executives if these TV ready people are just going left, right and centre and I can imagine someone got in their ear and wondered why they were so quick to let Cole, Danielson, O'Reilly, Gargano etc just up and leave when they could be on TV doing something. You need to look like you're a place people want to go to, even with WWE's change in tactics on developmental. They especially need to keep people with the experience of Kevin Owens. This is my thinking as well. These networks had to have been asking questions as they not only watch top shelf talent get released but that the likes of Gargano and Kyle and Cole are simply more than fine with just walking away from this company. Like you said you want to be the company people want to go to and instead of top tier talent willing to walk away only to show up in the rival company which is what has been happening. Gotta wonder now if this makes it more likely for Sami to stay as his contract is the next major one up in May I believe. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 15, 2021 12:38:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sort of in the middle of not blaming Owens at all for him taking the money when it's handed and choosing not to have sympathy for WWE if the guy isn't satisfied with what he's being given as a character for that money considering, well, they're basically keeping him from being a boon to the competition and he chose to take the contract. If nothing else, he's in a position where there's not really anything WWE can do to mess with him. If they send him home, he hangs out with his family and cashes huge checks. If they job him out, then they're paying him a raise almost certainly to not push him, in which case the joke's on them. If they release him, he has a 90 day no-compete... and then just goes elsewhere and is immediately a big deal because he's Kevin Steen. He's in an enviable position on that end. I presume he will probably be pushed, though, because there's little point in paying a dude extra to not get your money's worth, and because they likely want to encourage others to stay, which burying him wouldn't do. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 15, 2021 12:40:42 GMT -5
If the WWE are willing to pay him what he feels he's worth, then more power to him. I just hope he's gotten a no cut deal so he's not dumped the moment they get buyers remorse like the Gallows and Anderson
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 15, 2021 12:40:51 GMT -5
Selfishly, I would have preferred to see him in AEW because I think there are more interesting things for him to do there. But, if Owens is happy in WWE and is making bank, then good for him.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 15, 2021 12:42:18 GMT -5
Hopefully he got a no-cut clause. I think he probably has. Or something similar like a golden re-signing bonus or guaranteed payoff if cut early. The recent article said some top guys still had them and I'd imagine his negotiating position was strong enough to get some guarantees. |
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