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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 15, 2021 14:08:48 GMT -5
I feel like I'm seeing more people getting upset at people for being upset at KO staying than I'm seeing people actually upset at KO for staying.
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Post by crowley1986 on Dec 15, 2021 14:09:19 GMT -5
For the last few years when he was gaining momentum there would be someone/thing ahead of him, The Roman feud earlier this year, and i think he was going to be Bryan's opponent at Mania 35 before Kofi mania took over...
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 15, 2021 14:09:25 GMT -5
I low-key dreaded the seeming inevitability of him in AEW. Yeah, he would do good stuff there, but ultimately, I'd rather see AEW pick up a pretty long list of ROH guys before him.
So y'know what, I get what I want and Kevin Owens gets a lot of money. Win/win for me as a fan!
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 15, 2021 14:15:31 GMT -5
Good to see someone re-signing when their deal is up. Wonder if Zayn will be similar. Gargano I imagine is still gone.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 15, 2021 14:16:32 GMT -5
Don’t be a weirdo. Dude made a decision for himself and his family. No doubt. Never said he didn't. I just don't think he'll be used in any kind of meaningful capacity. He’s been used in a meaningful capacity for the vast majority of time during his run so far. Not that they’re using him as good as humanly possible, but he’s definitely a featured player.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2021 14:20:11 GMT -5
And honestly, the worst thing WWE could do is let another guy like that go and take that position in AEW, Impact or even if ROH comes back, Owens being a pillar to start when he’s there now to get for as long as possible. Yeah. I feel now Owens will have more room to be who he wants to be compared to 5 years ago. Back then the Shield were in their prime, Cena was still doing his thing on the roster, the Authority was around, you had the Wyatts, you Del Rio for some reason oh you had the League of Nations, don't forget Orton was younger. You just had a lot of people who they'd look into more than Owens. Now though? I mean, they know who he is and what he can bring to the table so now is an easier time for him to move around. And to basically repeat the point Mozenrath made, unless Owens himself messes up, he's in a way better position financially and in terms of company position. If they give him a prominent spot, he wins. If he gets jobbed out for the duration of his contract (which I can't see happening in an extreme sense), he's still making a tonne for his family and WWE just look like idiots for paying a guy so much to job and if they randomly decide to cut him, he's got 90 days to answer all the phone calls he'll get from every promotion under the sun who can afford his services in one way or another. He's probably the first person to really benefit in WWE from AEW coming in (and I wouldn't really count Orton since WWE was likely going to move heaven and Earth to keep the guy).
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Dec 15, 2021 14:22:18 GMT -5
Would have loved to see him in AEW however if it’s silly money offer and he’s happy and gets to provide from his family then it’s a no-brainier and I’m happy for him even though it means I don’t get to see him wrestle
I said this a while back about WWE contracts but I truly hope he had some release fee or something similar because the WWE contract lengths aren’t worth the paper they are printed on
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 15, 2021 14:23:56 GMT -5
Hopefully he got a no-cut clause. Hell no, if I’m him I wouldn’t want a no-cut contract. With his name value, he can walk into a well paying job anywhere if he gets shitcanned. No-cut contract they ice him if they get bored with him which is way more damaging to his value. The guys who need no-cut contracts are the guys who aren’t guaranteed to find another high paying job. Like, if I’m Humberto Carrillo I want a no cut contract. If I’m Seth or KO or Reigns or Becky etc I don’t want a no cut because my options are endless if they cut me. Now, a big signing bonus or a buyout clause I’d probably push for, but if I’m a big name there’s no way I want a no cut. If WWE offered him a way better deal than AEW could have possibly done, then it's not so easy to walk into another job and get that money, and if he's taking the big money for his family, yeah, it's smart to protect it. It's not about holding onto a job, it's about keeping them committed to the promises they signed you with and getting every cent they agreed to pay you without slamming you with the budget cutter.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 15, 2021 14:24:04 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure KO was already a pretty high priced contract too, so any pay bump wouldn’t be small I imagine. He very realistically could be one of the $2-3 million deals now
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Dec 15, 2021 14:25:00 GMT -5
I’m bummed as an AEW fan. But as long as he makes a shit ton of money and they actually give him consistent booking, then good for him.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 15, 2021 14:29:04 GMT -5
Exactly. It’s great they’re trying to fix developmental but I hope this is a start of a wake up to them that people like Bron aren’t going to be main roster ready tomorrow. They need people to guide them from top to bottom and in turn, they still need notable names that they can build from to make potential feuds with said talent mean something. They’ve already let a lot of people slip through, if Owens went, I’d wonder what their logic actually is. Not to defend how WWE has handled the releases but I do think the idea of not hiring just to hire is a good change. Now there are people released I do feel bad for and there are people that have been released I'm stunned WWE had no idea how to use, but there is some sense in the moves that have been made and not just the theory of getting ready to sell. Andrew Zarian mentioned this last week bur he said he doesn't think people realize how smart Nick Khan is or what his background is so it's not all about making things look good for investors. I'll say this as someone thar listens to mat men every week. I like Zarian most of the time... however when it comes to the WWE especially corporate WWE his defenses know no bounds. I've heard him say fans are at fault for judging them as a wrestling product because they aren't one. He said Best Wyatt was difficult, which SRS refuted pretty hard and Zarian never followed up...and now the Nick Khan business. When it comes to WWE corporate I tend to take what he says with a grain of salt because he comes off like "these are my people, must defend them"
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 15, 2021 14:29:14 GMT -5
seems like one of the best people so i'm happy he's taking these shitheads to the bank and back. I'll never see him wrestle, but good on him.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 15, 2021 14:32:41 GMT -5
I’m bummed as an AEW fan. But as long as he makes a shit ton of money and they actually give him consistent booking, then good for him. I'm bummed in the sense that I don't watch Raw because it bored me to death so I'll continue to not see him.
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Post by Venti on Dec 15, 2021 14:36:17 GMT -5
Good for him for staying in the big time.
I didn't wanna see him in AEW because so far they haven't used any wrestler I'm a fan of properly imo(except recently MJF and Hangman)
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Post by spagett on Dec 15, 2021 14:40:44 GMT -5
Would have loved to see him in AEW because I think the WWE product is the absolute drizzling shits and has been for years.
If he's happy though and getting big money then good luck to him. Just hope WWE honour the contract they've offered him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 15, 2021 14:44:08 GMT -5
Not to defend how WWE has handled the releases but I do think the idea of not hiring just to hire is a good change. Now there are people released I do feel bad for and there are people that have been released I'm stunned WWE had no idea how to use, but there is some sense in the moves that have been made and not just the theory of getting ready to sell. Andrew Zarian mentioned this last week bur he said he doesn't think people realize how smart Nick Khan is or what his background is so it's not all about making things look good for investors. I'll say this as someone thar listens to mat men every week. I like Zarian most of the time... however when it comes to the WWE especially corporate WWE his defenses know no bounds. I've heard him say fans are at fault for judging them as a wrestling product because they aren't one. He said Best Wyatt was difficult, which SRS refuted pretty hard and Zarian never followed up...and now the Nick Khan business. When it comes to WWE corporate I tend to take what he says with a grain of salt because he comes off like "these are my people, must defend them" I think with Andrew since he has a lot of sources on the business side and is a business man himself he sometimes looks at things more from that aspect. That can cause some interesting views from him
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Post by Chiral on Dec 15, 2021 14:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by Mecca on Dec 15, 2021 14:48:08 GMT -5
I'll say this as someone thar listens to mat men every week. I like Zarian most of the time... however when it comes to the WWE especially corporate WWE his defenses know no bounds. I've heard him say fans are at fault for judging them as a wrestling product because they aren't one. He said Best Wyatt was difficult, which SRS refuted pretty hard and Zarian never followed up...and now the Nick Khan business. When it comes to WWE corporate I tend to take what he says with a grain of salt because he comes off like "these are my people, must defend them" I think with Andrew since he has a lot of sources on the business side and is a business man himself he sometimes looks at things more from that aspect. That can cause some interesting views from him Like basically the WWE makes money, Nick Khan is growing their profit so they're a good company that's doing well and he's very smart. It's not wow these shows kinda suck and they're firing people to increase a shrinking profit number.
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Post by hbkid718 on Dec 15, 2021 14:56:55 GMT -5
I am extremely happy since Kevin Owens is my favorite wrestler on the current roster. As long as he's happy, then I'm happy. He's doing what's right for his family and that's all that matters.
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Post by noobeast on Dec 15, 2021 15:00:24 GMT -5
This is the most deflating news I've heard in a very long time.
Owens is one of my all-time favorites, and he just resigned with a company that I absolutely refuse to support.
Good for him, I guess.
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