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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2021 22:41:06 GMT -5
Seems universally loved here, I didn't see it, but on a fb group I'm in that's full of AEW die hards, there seems to be a consensus that Page showed he wasn't ready for a marathon just yet. Is that fair? I don’t think that’s fair. Danielson has unreal cardio. I think most people would have been in Hangman’s spot at the end and honestly, there was really only one spot where Hangman seemed legit spent. Yeah, and nobody can really blame him for that considering that was his first 60 minute match period. But the fact he was only spent at around the 50-55 minute mark…that’s completely understandable, man. Danielson had two classics in one night in front of a massive crowd at a big PPV, not everyone can say or remotely do that and that’s fine.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 15, 2021 22:41:11 GMT -5
I'd say if the match does have a weak spot, it's Hangman being out of the ring for about a count of 137. And even then, whatever, I can overlook it, that ruled. I thought the same as it was happening, but they actually explained it. It was a check to see if he was safe to continue. Similar to in MMA if the ref calls in the doctor to check a cut. It did drag on a little long, and they didn’t do the best job explaining it but Excalibur did try to explain why Hangman was on the outside so long without getting counted out.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 15, 2021 22:41:59 GMT -5
I enjoyed the match immensely. I wasn't a fan of the draw finish because it was Hangman's first defense and I'd have preferred he had a decisive win for his first match as champ. If this was his third or fourth defense, I'd have liked it a lot more.
I may be in the minority of preferring the Danielson vs. Omega draw as that kinda suits my preferred style of wrestling more, but really, you're just choosing between pancakes or waffles. Both are awesome, and there's no wrong answer.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2021 22:43:37 GMT -5
I enjoyed the match immensely. I wasn't a fan of the draw finish because it was Hangman's first defense and I'd have preferred he had a decisive win for his first match as champ. If this was his third or fourth defense, I'd have liked it a lot more. I may be in the minority of preferring the Danielson vs. Omega draw as that kinda suits my preferred style of wrestling more, but really, you're just choosing between pancakes or waffles. Both are awesome, and there's no wrong answer. To steal a line from someone on Twitter; “Oh no, two cakes! Whatever shall I do?!”
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Post by fw91 on Dec 15, 2021 22:45:43 GMT -5
Seems universally loved here, I didn't see it, but on a fb group I'm in that's full of AEW die hards, there seems to be a consensus that Page showed he wasn't ready for a marathon just yet. Is that fair? No, I don’t think it is fair. Like what’s the issue, is it a moveset thing, is it a cardio thing… I didn’t notice either being a problem. one comment. (Again Not Me I didn't see it) "Hangman needed to be fired up. Instead, he took a rest after every move he landed- even before he was selling exhaustion/pain. Bryan has been disrespecting him, and abusing his Dark Order friends, yet I never got the sense Page was trying to kick his ass."
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 15, 2021 22:47:32 GMT -5
It's honestly insane to me to just stop and think for a second that this is a medium where on one show a top face was built up to the title for two and a half years and right out of the gate was given an hour long match where he absorbed a ludicrous amount of abuse and had it won when time ran out and on another you had a top face built up to the title for two and a half hours whose first act as champion was to lose to the same guy twice in one night and he's since then gone on to lose to that guy a third time and lose to someone who'd already had two matches earlier in the show.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 15, 2021 22:47:38 GMT -5
No, I don’t think it is fair. Like what’s the issue, is it a moveset thing, is it a cardio thing… I didn’t notice either being a problem. one comment. "Hangman needed to be fired up. Instead, he took a rest after every move he landed- even before he was selling exhaustion/pain. Bryan has been disrespecting him, and abusing his Dark Order friends, yet I never got the sense Page was trying to kick his ass." That’s something that can happen completely irrespective of the length of the match, though. Can happen in a 60 minute match or a six minute match.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Dec 15, 2021 23:01:29 GMT -5
I feel like if people were wondering what Hangman’s next big challenge is, is finally beating Bryan. He certainly can, he took everything Bryan got. He will certainly beat multiple guys, but then you’ll have Bryan in back of his mind, saying that he can’t beat me. And I guarantee you, once Hangman beats him, it’s gonna be a massive moment. It’s the kind of finish that doesn’t ever send him back down to depression, he still has confidence in himself, he knows he can beat him, but now you have that major mountain to climb. If Page just flat out won, he slayed the dragon before the game started. If Bryan had won, then you run the risk of Page being hurt and then going back to square one, where he may have not have recovered as a character. So the more I think of it, the draw finish was brilliant.
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Post by Facetious on Dec 15, 2021 23:02:37 GMT -5
Commercials took me out of it a bit, but other than that it ruled. I had a feeling by the half way point that it would be a time limit draw.
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Post by Larryhausen on Dec 15, 2021 23:11:40 GMT -5
Had my coworker put it on while I was having my shift drink(s).
Was hanging out with my buddy who was getting ready to close his tab when the match started.
5 beers later the match ends and he finally closes out. "Dude, I haven't watched a full wrestling match since the 90's. Holy shit!"
"Welcome back, my friend."
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 15, 2021 23:23:34 GMT -5
Not on board with them going back to the well with the draw but it ended as decisively as these things can while still holding a bit back. I was 100% convinced on at least 3 occasions that Hangman was done for, so it mission totally accomplished. Hell of a match, here’s to round 2.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 15, 2021 23:37:21 GMT -5
Commercials took me out of it a bit, but other than that it ruled. I had a feeling by the half way point that it would be a time limit draw. They really need to find a way to make the full Dynamite’s available somewhere after the fact. I’d love a chance to see that without commercials
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 15, 2021 23:46:59 GMT -5
They can't call Rampage the fastest 60 minutes in wrestling anymore because it belongs to that match.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 16, 2021 0:02:38 GMT -5
No, I don’t think it is fair. Like what’s the issue, is it a moveset thing, is it a cardio thing… I didn’t notice either being a problem. one comment. (Again Not Me I didn't see it) "Hangman needed to be fired up. Instead, he took a rest after every move he landed- even before he was selling exhaustion/pain. Bryan has been disrespecting him, and abusing his Dark Order friends, yet I never got the sense Page was trying to kick his ass." The commentary actually covered this well. Hangman was definitely fired up, but he was smart enough to know that charging straight at Bryan would get turned against him because he was a lot more technical and already in his head. A large part of the match was Hangman selling and trying to find an opening. By the time he did, he didn't have enough left to get the pin in time. Basically Bryan was a Dark Souls boss.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2021 0:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by ARI WOW WOW on Dec 16, 2021 0:05:26 GMT -5
To me, the thought that Omega was banged up and lost to Hangman has sort of protected Omega and has left Hangman to still find credibility as a champion. I think Hangman should win. Or another draw. ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 16, 2021 0:12:09 GMT -5
one comment. (Again Not Me I didn't see it) "Hangman needed to be fired up. Instead, he took a rest after every move he landed- even before he was selling exhaustion/pain. Bryan has been disrespecting him, and abusing his Dark Order friends, yet I never got the sense Page was trying to kick his ass." The commentary actually covered this well. Hangman was definitely fired up, but he was smart enough to know that charging straight at Bryan would get turned against him because he was a lot more technical and already in his head. A large part of the match was Hangman selling and trying to find an opening. By the time he did, he didn't have enough left to get the pin in time. Basically Bryan was a Dark Souls boss. Hangman did a tremendous job of selling that idea early in the match. Danielson would make really obvious bull-baiting type taunts, and Hangman would kind of breathe angrily but keep his distance. He generally looked like he was tamping down his anger so that he could win.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 16, 2021 0:16:45 GMT -5
Crazy fact by the way, Danielson is the first wrestler ever to challenge for the WWE Title/Universal title and the AEW Title within the same year.
Really cool and quite frankly deserved accolade for him to have.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Dec 16, 2021 0:42:14 GMT -5
I'd say if the match does have a weak spot, it's Hangman being out of the ring for about a count of 137. And even then, whatever, I can overlook it, that ruled. Even that can be excused given AEW's proclivity towards clear winners especially in title matches given that that's a consistent thing they do. And plus given that it was the champion you don't want him to retain the title that way.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 16, 2021 1:08:33 GMT -5
They can't call Rampage the fastest 60 minutes in wrestling anymore because it belongs to that match. My buddy said “I think they’re doing a broadway, it’s 9 minutes to the hour” and I had no f***ing clue the match had gone anywhere near that long
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