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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Dec 25, 2021 23:15:07 GMT -5
You’d figure that being labelled one of the Four Pillars would mean he’d at least be booked to the level of the other three, but he just hasn’t been recently, even though he was the one with a belt. Major mistake of them to label him as one of those given the dude can barely cut a promo and is still figuring out what he is presentation-wise. He's a good talent but needs A LOT of work. Have similar reservations about Jungle Boy but that's more on their booking and at least he's going to be working with Cole one-on-one
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Post by Starshine on Dec 25, 2021 23:15:34 GMT -5
IMO Sammy's the weakest champion primarily because he's the weakest performer out of the guys who've held it. Not a knock against him, because that's some stiff competition. His title reign always felt more about the actual win rather than him holding the belt. But even then he still got to play the home star defending against the outsiders which can be a fun angle.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 25, 2021 23:22:00 GMT -5
I'd probably call Brodie's the worst. Outside circumstances and all but even before he had to drop the title he kind of just got undercut at every turn and his team got pinned at All Out by a guy who promptly stopped appearing for AEW afterward. Eh, him winning it was awesome, and the dog collar match was great. I think a reign having a great beginning and end can make a big difference, even if OC and Dustin were I think his only defenses I can recall.
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Post by Fade on Dec 25, 2021 23:29:43 GMT -5
I'd probably call Brodie's the worst. Outside circumstances and all but even before he had to drop the title he kind of just got undercut at every turn and his team got pinned at All Out by a guy who promptly stopped appearing for AEW afterward. Eh, him winning it was awesome, and the dog collar match was great. I think a reign having a great beginning and end can make a big difference, even if OC and Dustin were I think his only defenses I can recall. Brodie Vs OC was great too.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 25, 2021 23:52:29 GMT -5
You’d figure that being labelled one of the Four Pillars would mean he’d at least be booked to the level of the other three, but he just hasn’t been recently, even though he was the one with a belt. There’s been a lack of character progression from him that I’m not willing to completely blame on him. It might/probably was playing background in Inner Circle still. And he’s kinda been directionless on top of that, too. His feuds with MJF and Shawn Spears were a part of the larger Inner Circle vs. Pinnacle story and then he really got lost in the shuffle during the stuff with ATT. Sammy is obviously very good and super over, but like you said, there’s not really much else going on in terms of an actual character.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 25, 2021 23:56:38 GMT -5
There’s been a lack of character progression from him that I’m not willing to completely blame on him. It might/probably was playing background in Inner Circle still. And he’s kinda been directionless on top of that, too. His feuds with MJF and Shawn Spears were a part of the larger Inner Circle vs. Pinnacle story and then he really got lost in the shuffle during the stuff with ATT. Sammy is obviously very good and super over, but like you said, there’s not really much else going on in terms of an actual character. I kind of think it'd do him more good to spend more time on-screen with Fuego and Marko than it would Jericho at this point.
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Post by BigAl on Dec 26, 2021 0:29:40 GMT -5
Instead of defending it in ppv,he was too busy monkey ing around with Inner Circle stuff. Just just like Santana and Ortiz. Best to wait till they all break free from Jericho before focusing on giving him a proper title run
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 26, 2021 0:35:28 GMT -5
I do think I'd agree with the sentiment that of the TNT Champions to date Sammy is the weakest performer. He has a lot of potential for sure and is in a lot of ways very good but he has some pretty evident flaws and I don't think he's found his hook as a character yet.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 26, 2021 1:57:56 GMT -5
For me, the problem was that so much of Sammy's run as the champ had the title as an after thought in the IC vs American Top Team angle. There were too many segments of Sammy just standing there with the belt as decoration while Jericho ran his mouth.
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Post by Rave on Dec 26, 2021 2:28:04 GMT -5
Would've been better if he hadn't been so badly derailed into the IC/ATT feud. Then again, that feud didn't do much for anyone involved in it, especially with Lambert and MOTY continuing like nothing happened.
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Post by 4real on Dec 26, 2021 5:27:39 GMT -5
Probably but that’s a knock on the booking and not Sami. It’s hard to have a decent reign when there’s no hot feud to sink your teeth into. Look at MJF the guy is given hot feud after hot feud but Sami got given American Top Team.
I think Sami really needed a feud going into Revolution in March to give this reign purpose. Unfortunately he never got the chance.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Dec 26, 2021 5:30:29 GMT -5
Sammy, you deserve so much better. Come into my arms, I will "comfort" you.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 26, 2021 7:22:20 GMT -5
Yep, absolute shit, most of what I dislike in aew is pet peeves, one-offs or things corrected quickly but this was crap over a longer period. Only his match with Ethan Page showed what could have been.
He just about beat a hugely dominant champion which is fine but instead of following that up with a showcase of how good Sammy is so he seems on the same level he was dominated by Fish. Then it was much the same in his other defences and the awful Lambert fued, he was never the most important person involved.
Didn't even defend it as much as Miro and Cody, a fighting champion worn down by one match too many and Cody taking the glory would have been a decent story. Instead he just proved he's not on the level of another former champion either.
By extension it hurts the whole four pillars narrative. MJF getting desperate falling behind the other 3 and Britt works. Now he's well ahead of Sammy which is ridiculous given how good and even their match was earlier in the year.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Dec 26, 2021 8:38:43 GMT -5
Miro's run was just as trash, to be fair. It would have been way better if they'd had the balls to have Fuego beat Miro for the championship in that match.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 26, 2021 8:45:34 GMT -5
I do wonder if an audible was called to have Sammy drop the title. Everything about it seemed weird.
Winning the belt was a great moment for Sammy, and the matches he defended the belt in were good. But Inner Circle being drug in to the ATT feud derailed his momentum he had built up.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 26, 2021 9:08:49 GMT -5
Miro’s reign was just as boring to me, but he had a sweet belt.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 26, 2021 10:03:41 GMT -5
I think for whatever faults Miro's reign had the difference is that he could come in, squash a few jobbers and challenge Hangman and be seen as a believable challenger.
Sammy is going to need a more serious rebuild and I think only turning against Jericho will do that but feels a bad time for that.
I mentioned it harms the pillar narrative but on reflection JB failing to the tag title and Britt losing her belt while MJf beats Punk and goes for the world title could work.
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Post by ghost on Dec 26, 2021 10:18:37 GMT -5
Honestly? I'm fine with Sammy having a mediocre reign or being seen as the lesser pillar, because you can make good storylines out of that in the future. Hell if he goes after the belt again while Cody is still champion, it makes a compelling story there too
For some reason it feels like Sammy lacks something specially compared to MJF and Darby who are already established pillars.
Agreed. Darby has an "it" factor about him. MJF is obviously excellent on the mic and as a heel. Sammy just kinda exists. Some of that might be because of the Inner Circle, but with his current character nothing about him really stands out to me. I thought at the time that they got the belt off Miro too soon + gave it to Sammy too early, and nothing that happened afterwards really disproved that. Maybe he needs a solo heel run to become a better character. Some guys aren't meant to be babyfaces, and while he has the flippy/no sell/video game moveset of a babyface, there's something missing with him in that role.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 10:24:18 GMT -5
Sammy, you deserve so much better. Come into my arms, I will "comfort" you. Damn it man hasn't the man had enough internet relationship drama this month?!
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 26, 2021 11:29:36 GMT -5
we always say that AEW needs some shorter title reigns, BUT yeah this was kind of disappointing, with being stuck in the IC vs ATT feud amost never defending the belt and then losing to belt just so Cody could have yet another reign yeah not great
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