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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 1, 2022 16:58:44 GMT -5
Im glad this seems to be ending positively for all parties involved. Even if the Tweet stays up, I hopee Tony keeps it as a reminder, like so he never tweets something like it again, that sorta deal. Don't ignore the mistake that you made in the end. That being said if he did delete it, then no one would complain either, maybe he's trying to think about the best way to word things at this point for a statement before he deletes, guess we'll see Lio Rush and Shawn Dean I think raised their stock in the end of this, and honestly good for them. If change is to happen, AEW needs voices like that, and i'm very glad Khan listened, he might be stubborn as hell, but at least he isn't above hearing another perspective and being willing to change. As Lio said, here's to a better 2022. Sucks it had to happen this way, but I hope this is a catalyst for positive change too, sometimes things have to start ugly to end in a better place.
It kinda makes me wonder what on earth Lockhart showed him on his flashdrive that didnt please TK.
Was it ever implied that Tony watched it and didn't like it? Because all I saw was Darius gave Tony a flash drive at the Greensboro shows and nothing more.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 1, 2022 16:59:15 GMT -5
Lio's spoken to Tony and Megah and stated they'll listen to him and others from the African American perspective. We needed this shit. Let's see what'll happen. Thank you Swole, Lio, Shawn and others. Let's see what happens this year. I'm honestly not going to do any of those "hey listen there's been a problem with-" talks about AEW anymore after all this stuff's happened. Wish it didn't come to this but alas it did. Now we'll see if our words from back then will actually bring forth change. Hard to believe that this is the same Lio Rush from a few years ago. The man really has grown up.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 17:22:20 GMT -5
Im glad this seems to be ending positively for all parties involved. Even if the Tweet stays up, I hopee Tony keeps it as a reminder, like so he never tweets something like it again, that sorta deal. Don't ignore the mistake that you made in the end. That being said if he did delete it, then no one would complain either, maybe he's trying to think about the best way to word things at this point for a statement before he deletes, guess we'll see Lio Rush and Shawn Dean I think raised their stock in the end of this, and honestly good for them. If change is to happen, AEW needs voices like that, and i'm very glad Khan listened, he might be stubborn as hell, but at least he isn't above hearing another perspective and being willing to change. As Lio said, here's to a better 2022. Sucks it had to happen this way, but I hope this is a catalyst for positive change too, sometimes things have to start ugly to end in a better place. It kinda makes me wonder what on earth Lockhart showed him on his flashdrive that didnt please TK.
I dunno he's a good talent but he also went a bit far with his tweets. Throwing out that all of AEWs top guys are white or white passing isn't even something I want to debate because I don't know who he's talking about... The white passing phrase is such a slippery slope, that's super insulting whoever he's talking about.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 1, 2022 17:23:42 GMT -5
It kinda makes me wonder what on earth Lockhart showed him on his flashdrive that didnt please TK.
I dunno he's a good talent but he also went a bit far with his tweets. Throwing out that all of AEWs top guys are white or white passing isn't even something I want to debate because I don't know who he's talking about... The white passing phrase is such a slippery slope, that's super insulting whoever he's talking about. I heard he apologized for using the term, but I haven’t gone looking for the whole timeline of the matter.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 17:27:28 GMT -5
I dunno he's a good talent but he also went a bit far with his tweets. Throwing out that all of AEWs top guys are white or white passing isn't even something I want to debate because I don't know who he's talking about... The white passing phrase is such a slippery slope, that's super insulting whoever he's talking about. I heard he apologized for using the term, but I haven’t gone looking for the whole timeline of the matter. I hope you're right.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jan 1, 2022 17:44:54 GMT -5
But yeah, there is a separate point you can make about how you have a lot of people of color among the executives (and that's actually a really good thing) yet still focus mostly on the white talent for pushes and TV time. Lots to unpack there, I think. Quoting because with all the great discussion this point could be overlooked. TK felt comfortable saying the nonsense he did publicly because that is the prevailing way of thought among executives in all fields. When they hear substantive, warranted criticism about why POC's (or any group) feel excluded or underserved, whether it's entertainment or services both private/public, what they instead hear is "gotcha, I'll fill a quota with people who look like you so it's harder for your kind to complain" and never address the issues that led the surface to bubble. Unfortunately it's an effective deflection, which is why you see it all over media/power structures. " We can't be racist or exclusionary, look at this Black/LGBT/etc we have in a position of power who happens to support what we already do!" It's why a year after arguably the largest protest movement the world has seen the biggest difference has been more colored faces in your advertisements, commercials and on the side of your bank with little or no change to substance of what brought it about. Hard as it is, that's why it's important to keep those discussions going so that they never feel those deflections are enough. The difference here was Tony didn't have a PR team to protect him from his own stupidity. I'm not surprised or disappointed in that. What sucks more to see is MJF/Britt and others having the same mindset. Unfortunately those who get preferential treatment tend to find things fine just the way they are. I'm glad Swole, Lio and others have spoken up because pressure is the only way. I just don't know how you mend a locker room once you err this badly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 18:03:18 GMT -5
I heard he apologized for using the term, but I haven’t gone looking for the whole timeline of the matter. I hope you're right. He did apologize insofar as he said “oh sorry I didn’t realize that was an offensive term.” I don’t think he comes out looking good in this at all, and if I were someone like Dante Martin I’d be absolutely furious that I needlessly got dragged into this.
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Post by Blade on Jan 1, 2022 18:05:57 GMT -5
Tbh it's 100% normal to think a system that benefits you is fine so I don't really criticise people for that. Hell, even being in a system that doesn't really benefit you often feels normal and natural until you get out of it and can look at it with perspective - look at how many people get out of WWE and feel like it was a completely different world.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jan 1, 2022 18:09:03 GMT -5
He did apologize insofar as he said “oh sorry I didn’t realize that was an offensive term.” I don’t think he comes out looking good in this at all, and if I were someone like Dante Martin I’d be absolutely furious that I needlessly got dragged into this. This dude gave Tony Khan a whole f***ing Khan Academy course on improving diversity in his company and he didn't realize it was offensive to tell people they aren't minority representation if they don't pass a melanin check? Well now, that's just disingenuous
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 1, 2022 18:10:43 GMT -5
He did apologize insofar as he said “oh sorry I didn’t realize that was an offensive term.” I don’t think he comes out looking good in this at all, and if I were someone like Dante Martin I’d be absolutely furious that I needlessly got dragged into this. This dude gave Tony Khan a whole f***ing Khan Academy course on improving diversity in his company and he didn't realize it was offensive to tell people they aren't minority representation if they don't pass a melanin check? Well now, that's just disingenuous The more this goes on, the more him signing with NWA checks out tbh.
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Post by Corre.222 on Jan 1, 2022 18:13:38 GMT -5
Who could Tony Khan put in the main event & title picture?
I think Lee Moriarty is absolutely unbelievable just from his wrestling talent alone.
I'm not sure what his Mic Skills are like, but when it comes to wrestling, he's the exact same as Will Ospreay.
He really is great. The linchpin is going to be his mic skills. Can Lee Moriarty hang on the mic with an Bucks or Cole or Bryan?
Other options is Keith Lee when his no compete is up.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 18:18:07 GMT -5
Who could Tony Khan put in the main event & title picture? I think Lee Moriarty is absolutely unbelievable just from his wrestling talent alone. I'm not sure what his Mic Skills are like, but when it comes to wrestling, he's the exact same as Will Ospreay. He really is great. The linchpin is going to be his mic skills. Can Lee Moriarty hang on the mic with an Bucks or Cole or Bryan? Other options is Keith Lee when his no compete is up. Keith Lee and Shane Strickland are both guys that could slot into mainevent level programs.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 1, 2022 18:18:36 GMT -5
It kinda makes me wonder what on earth Lockhart showed him on his flashdrive that didnt please TK.
Was it ever implied that Tony watched it and didn't like it? Because all I saw was Darius gave Tony a flash drive at the Greensboro shows and nothing more. I know if someone saying that AEW needs to do better by black people and then handed me a flash drive then I'd quietly put it away and not look at what was on it.
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Post by CeilingFan on Jan 1, 2022 18:23:12 GMT -5
Who could Tony Khan put in the main event & title picture? I think Lee Moriarty is absolutely unbelievable just from his wrestling talent alone. I'm not sure what his Mic Skills are like, but when it comes to wrestling, he's the exact same as Will Ospreay. He really is great. The linchpin is going to be his mic skills. Can Lee Moriarty hang on the mic with an Bucks or Cole or Bryan? Other options is Keith Lee when his no compete is up. Keith Lee ran into Adam Cole -literally!- at NXT so that program is ready to go.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 18:31:23 GMT -5
Was it ever implied that Tony watched it and didn't like it? Because all I saw was Darius gave Tony a flash drive at the Greensboro shows and nothing more. I know if someone saying that AEW needs to do better by black people and then handed me a flash drive then I'd quietly put it away and not look at what was on it. Maybe he gave Tony the wrong flash drive so Tony opened it and was like....2 girls 1 cup..that sick bastard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 18:34:30 GMT -5
He did apologize insofar as he said “oh sorry I didn’t realize that was an offensive term.” I don’t think he comes out looking good in this at all, and if I were someone like Dante Martin I’d be absolutely furious that I needlessly got dragged into this. This dude gave Tony Khan a whole f***ing Khan Academy course on improving diversity in his company and he didn't realize it was offensive to tell people they aren't minority representation if they don't pass a melanin check? Well now, that's just disingenuous Yeah, and I could only read the Twitter comments for so long, at risk of getting brain damage, but it came across like what he basically said to TK was “you need to sign and push me, not guys who present as white,” with the consensus being that he was probably talking about Dante. Just all around a really, really bad look in my opinion.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 1, 2022 18:35:37 GMT -5
Gotta wonder how many AEW would have signed out of Rich Swann, Lio, ACH, Keith Lee, Shane Strickland, Ricochet if WWE hadn't gone on a hiring spree signing up every big name free agent.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 1, 2022 18:37:40 GMT -5
Hard to believe that this is the same Lio Rush from a few years ago. The man really has grown up. Ehh. A lot (but not all) of his "attitude problems" were just him refusing to go along with backstage duespaying bullshit, which actually strikes me as a pretty mature thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 18:40:18 GMT -5
Hard to believe that this is the same Lio Rush from a few years ago. The man really has grown up. Ehh. A lot (but not all) of his "attitude problems" were just him refusing to go along with backstage duespaying bullshit, which actually strikes me as a pretty mature thing to do. Yeah, dude is my favorite wrestler. He got a bad rap mostly because the WWE PR machine dragged him through the mud for not keeping his head down and just being happy to be there more than anything he actually did or said.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 1, 2022 18:40:20 GMT -5
Hard to believe that this is the same Lio Rush from a few years ago. The man really has grown up. Ehh. A lot (but not all) of his "attitude problems" were just him refusing to go along with backstage duespaying bullshit, which actually strikes me as a pretty mature thing to do. Reminds me of how Keith Lee apparently had “attitude problems” after he got released for no good reason.
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